Antigunners are losing their minds over terminology

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I just read this little gem:

How about we STOP talking about "assault rifles" . . .

STOP IT WITH THE “ASSAULT WEAPON, ASSAULT RIFLE” HORSESHIT. THESE THINGS ARE WEAPONS OF WAR and are designed for one purpose: To kill as many people as efficiently as possible in as short a time as possible.

I can assault you with a Daisy Red Ryder BB gun. What is being used to slaughter people is a WEAPON OF WAR and it’s goddam time we used that term all the time, day in, day out. Make the gunhumpers explain why they want weapons of war on the streets.

How do we get them off the streets? Outlaw them; the law should describe in detail what is prohibited and is updated every time a manufacturer figures out a way around it; pay a bounty for every one turned in — turn in an AR or AK, get $1,500 tax free; a 20- or 30-round magazine gets $100; and so on. After two years, if you are found with any prohibited firearm or accessory in your possession, it’s jail time. I know — it’ll never pass, but let an old man dream.
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https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/5/7/2167996/-How-about-we-STOP-talking-about-assault-rifles

They are flailing blindly. And, btw, "weapons of war" are precisely what the 2nd Amendment is all about.
 
I guess assault rifle isn't working well enough for them, time to ramp up the scary terminology.

Disarmament is about one thing, power and control over the "subjects" of the land, always has been, always will be, since the time when weapons of war were clubs and swords.
 
They are flailing blindly. And, btw, "weapons of war" are precisely what the 2nd Amendment is all about.
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I've said that for a long time. However, the pro gun folks have failed about quite a bit:

1. Recall all the folks calling the gun a 'tool'. Don't call it a weapon - was spouted by many.
2. The modern sporting rifle - an attempt to make the AR platform into a toy, so please don't ban it.

How ridiculous. Imagine headlines: 20 Killed with Tool; 20 Killed with Modern Sporting Rifle.

Recall how the defense against tyranny is mocked by some supposed progun folks? The NRA has played down the defense against tyranny in its recent rhetoric. That's because a wave of defense against tyranny buyers don't fit their preferred marketing demographic.

Perhaps, when Clarence gets of the yacht, Alito out of his protected tank - a definitive statement on ownership will occur. I know, someone will say Scotus can't do anything because, blah, blah, procedure, precedent, blah, blah. Even though they had the cases in front of them. Just wait for decades and then maybe they will.
 
They are scared that their non gun owning base has shrank by at least 20% compared to 3 years ago. Since 2020 one in 5 people that have never bought a gun before, bought a gun feom a dealer and it's possible a whole lot of people also got a gun through other means.
Also a lot of women are buying guns now like never before.
Now that all these non gun people have been exposed to Gun laws and buying a gun for the first time they know that most gun laws are useless and gun control is stupid.
At least 10 million people realized "criminals aren't filling out paperwork or getting a background check", and "gun stores aren't selling guns to criminals" (unless it's to the government).
 
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Walkalong said:
I guess assault rifle isn't working well enough for them, time to ramp up the scary terminology.
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They want to refocus on semi-automatics because the speed and firepower are much greater than a bolt action or lever action. The problem is they can't get them banned or regulated without Congress and Congress is never going to have 60 Democrats to beat the filibuster, so they're trying to attach new labels and talking points to not make it obvious what they want.

They may get some wins in states like Washington, but that will be short lived, what they want, but know will never happen is to get Washington state laws passed in Texas and Florida and that drives them nuts because they can't accept not being in power.

I have a local polluter on the airwaves that I listen to on my drive in to work. He use to be more centrist, but since 2016 he got a severe case of TDS and since Uvalde he's started spouting talking points with mass shootings, probably because the checks from Bloomberg have been coming in and not bouncing. The last one of his I heard he's using the terminology of "it's the same guns each time" and I know what he's getting at, but he's careful to not call for an outright ban because he doesn't want to go on record as having said that and he doesn't want to go into the terminology or anything to deep because the root demand of what he and other anti's want is semi-automatics to be given the machine gun treatment, which for pro 2A people may as well be a declaration of war.

It's definitely a lot of exasperated flailing, but at the state level they're going to get wins for the next year or two until the AWB and magazine cases worth their way thru the Appeals courts this year and next.
 
I'd love the opportunity to explain to Allred during a public debate why I'd like to keep pump-action shotguns on the streets.

They've been weapons of war in American hands since about 1899. Pump shotguns of various models are still used by militaries all over the world to a limited degree in warfare. But people like Colin Allred wouldn't know that.

For that matter a guy who is well practiced could shoot 10 people with a break-action single shot shotgun in a target rich public setting before anyone could do anything about it... unless an armed citizen or officer was right there right now. Or one or more people had the courage to take the guy down unarmed.

And so we know they'd just keep banning stuff once they figured that out, including your Boy Scout pocket knife.

Our society has a lot of problems. Inanimate objects aren't the problem.

What's the use of debating them though. They don't want to learn anything.

The antis and there terminology. Yes, it would be funny if so many people didn't fall for it.
 
Varminterror said:
From where I sit, it doesn't really matter what they call it - they're coming after the same things either way.
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Two things. Number one, what they call it does matter. The BATFE has determined that the firearm is the stripped lower, and that would be what they are banning.

Number two, nobody on the anti-Bill of Rights side cares enough to do anything themselves. The government needs to buy, ban, and get them "off the street". We are spending our own $ to purchase these firearms. If they really cared, they could spend their own $ getting them "off the streets" one at a time. Go to gun shows and snatch them up to dispose of them. But they don't. They don't care, they are just angry that there are people who are different than they are, and they want us to spend our money to allow the government to force us to be just like them.
 
Pudge said:
what they call it does matter. The BATFE has determined that the firearm is the stripped lower, and that would be what they are banning.
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Wake up, dude.

There have been and currently ARE bans on non-serialized, non-Firearm PARTS for almost 90 years. Whether it’s high capacity magazines, point systems, feature focused import bans, auto-sears, or the new Washington State ban on “parts” in general, bump stocks, pistol braces, rifle barrels larger than 1/2”, infringing firearms bans have had nothing to do with serialized parts, and haven’t since the NFA passed in 1934 (at LEAST).
 
The shooting in Allen this weekend made an 11 year old ask me what an “assault rifle” was. I told here that it was the same kind of rifle she has been target shooting with.

“Assault”, is to make a physical attack. Have you ever used one to attack something? If someone used a bat to hurt someone, would it become an assault bat? How about an assault car or plane?

If you were to use one to prevent someone attacking you, would it become a defensive rifle?

Then I told her the antigun blanket definition of ‘intermediate caliber semiauto rife with a detachable magazine.’ Trying to imply that’s all they are good for by people that have never used them at all and don’t know the first thing about them.
 
As I said, the terminology debate is stupid. However, we can fall into the trap with our own stupid, make this gun nice, terminology. I've noticed a fair amount of news calling the gun an AR style, military style semi auto - those folks picked up on the techy debate of what is an 'assault' rifle / full auto, etc.

Unless, the gun world can make the case for why possession is to be allowed - as in the reason for the 2nd Amendment, bans will continue in some states. Waiting for Clarence - yeah, right. We will see on that one.

The diversion to mental health is an old ploy. Better mental health resources is great but the country isn't going to pay for a re-establishment of decent hospitals. So the governors are just spouting hot air on that one.
 
AlexanderA said:
THESE THINGS ARE WEAPONS OF WAR and are designed for one purpose: To kill as many people as efficiently as possible in as short a time as possible.
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That would be a bomb. Or a missile. At the very least, a machine gun.
Clearly, a semi automatic rifle, regardless of caliber or amount of ammo available to it, would not be a good choice, hence why no military force currently issues them to the average trooper.
They want us disarmed, perhaps to slingshots and thrown rocks.
I'd like to see some statistics on the number of mass shooters on psych meds.
 
Back in the 80's the AG folks were trying to villainize pistols. That prompted a bunch of states to require permits to carry. That didn't work because half of the states now don't require a permit. Then they went after rifles and got the 94 AWB passed. That didn't work either so please might I have another.

I might point out that DE gets a B grade for it's gun laws from Giffords yet has the highest rate of mass shootings per 100K in the country this year at 58.

https://giffords.org/lawcenter/resources/scorecard/

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/mass-shootings-by-state

That must infuriate those who think these rifles are randomly killing people like mad dogs. For that I say pay attention to the dog owners, not the dogs.
 
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This thread, and those like it, is what hurts us the most. The ignorance we have among “gun folk” about the intelligence of our opposition is what keeps our rights in danger. We’re too quick to assume our opponents are idiots because they mislabel various models or classes of firearms. We turn misspeak into punch lines, “AR-14,” or “weapons of war,” “30 clip magazine,” “fully semiauto,” “9mm’s blowing the lungs clear out of the body,” etc. We make memes about M1 Garands and M14’s being less scary but having the same action type and MORE power than AR-15’s, or about .30-06 bolt action rifles having more power than AR’s….

But left-leaning voters don’t have to understand what an AR-15 is or how powerful is a 5.56 or understand that a 9mm pistol doesn’t actually blow lungs out of a body, but still be sufficiently convinced to vote and to support elected officials voting on their behalf, and worse, to NOT be vocal against erosion of protected and guaranteed rights.

Don’t think our anti-gun opponents don’t know that - they know. The misspeak game is a rope-a-dope.
 
I'd like to see some statistics on the number of mass shooters on psych meds .

Me to , but I doubt we ever will . It seems as though every time there is a mass shooting there is a script all the anti's are reading from , and that script comes from somewhere and is paid for by someone , and my belief is that it is big pharma , because if they get people instantly talking about the gun , then no one is talking about the meds .Can you imagine the size of a lawsuit if they ever got sued for a mass killing ? And then the flood gates would open to class action lawsuits . I really think a lot of the funding that goes to the anti's is big pharma protecting itself , at the expense of our rights .
 
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