Any American citizens of hispanic/latino background here?

[longeyes]

That being said, a race war isn't around the corner per se. Instead, a cultural war is around the corner. A war between Mexico, and Aztlan. It can be stopped, but time is short.

Exactly right. This is, in essence, about culture, and the final breakdown is going to be American culture versus all those, of any racial or ethnic stripe, who put themselves in opposition to American values. That said, there is a lack of clarity about what American values constitute, and that is what all of this is bringing into focus and helping us work out.

 

[longeyes]

but when you hang a couple on your van paint some slogans like "did you hug your minuteman today" on it thechose to drive it through a group of angry latinos for rffect its girlish to whimper when you get the result you set out for.

Sorry, the dividing line is violence. There is no call for physical violence unless you are defending yourself from same. Insults are not justification for harming others physically. Aggressive, threatening behavior is off-limits. Part of the cultural problem here is lack of self-control and a sense that disputes are to be settled by physical means rather than dialogue or the law. This is the Great Divide, as far as I am concerned, between tribalism and civilization. It applies to all groups.

 

[Cousin Mike]

zamboxl: Thanks bro... FWIW, I'm not the only one. Looking forward to standing at your shoulder should we ever need to defend our country and way of life.

mordechai: VERY interesting (and intelligent, IMO) perspective - thank you for sharing it. Just one question - why would one think that any blacks would side with illegal Mexicans in a culture war in the U.S.?

We've been here in America a lot longer than other groups of people who've come here, and stayed through the worst situation in human history. We've stayed through the "Back to Africa" Marcus Garvey movement, Jack Johnson's (yes, the boxer) call for blacks to move to Mexico, free citizenship and transport to Liberia, and every other attempt to get us to flee this country. And we stayed... for a million reasons... but mainly because this is our home. We've fought for the rights we have. We've fought for this country in every single war that's ever been fought. We're as American as it's possible to be. I just don't see any significant number of blacks going against the U.S. in ANY conflict... especially a culture war with illegals right here on our own soil.

Black folks are a hell of a lot more patriotic than most people would think. Just my $0.02

 

[cassandrasdaddy]

i agree

about violence.but going looking for a fight is a cowardly form of passive aggresive stuff

 

[crazed_ss]

I heard Art or someone mention a "pro-illegal camp" and think he might have been referring to me.

I just want to clarify. I am not pro-illegal. I recognize that unchecked illegal immigration is a serious problem and something needs to be done to bring everything under control. Guest worker program, punishment for employers, more border patrol agents.. whatever. Illegals are being exploited for cheap labor.. it's almost a new form of slavery, IMO.

What I am against is the mean-spirited attitudes, inflammatory rhetoric and hate speech towards Hispanics (legal and illegal) that constantly comes up during any conversation about illegal immigration.

You guys arent gonna recruit anyone to your cause by calling people vermin, suggesting that illegals be shot on site, making fun of other people's cultures, and prophecizing about impending race wars.

 

[Snake Eyes]

This thread makes me mad. 5 pages in two days, in L&P, about a subject that has absolutley NOTHING to do with firearms or civil rights--except trampling them.

I think I've had about enough of this happy horse****. (That's right. I said HORSE ****. And I'm going to report this post to a moderator).

 

[Biker]

Cassandrasdaddy...

It could be said that a bunch of latinos marching for Mexican rights in the streets of America constitutes looking for a fight. Since when is flying Old Glory cause for violence? Your attitude is beyond understanding. And just for the benefit of the folks who would like to read your posts (like me), would you kindly use the caps key and throw in a period from time to time?
It really would help, nothing personal meant...

Biker

 

[Snake Eyes]

Well, damn. Evidently you CAN'T report your own post to a moderator. And evidently, the filth filters have been turned back on.

So much for self policing.

I still think this belongs on APS and, for the most part, is lowering the group IQ.

 

[Molon Labe]

I’m Caucasian, but my wife is 100% Chinese. She grew up in Hong Kong. She loves her AR-15.

 

[crazed_ss]

I took my girl shooting. She had a blast. She's a resident alien from Tijuana. We rented an AR-15 and shot my SKS. They arent allowed to have guns of military caliber in Mexico.

 

[cassandrasdaddy]

sorry

Hard to believe but i'm getting better about punctuation. Scary huh!
My beef is probaqbly less my being pro ilegal than it is that i'm against a lot (not all) of the other camp. Kinda the enemy of your enemy is your friend. I've run up against the type of folks i've seen in those videos and really enjoyed dancing with em. I've a short fuse with the folks that hate (at least let me give you a reason to hate me). I see too much of the "pack mentality" in them. They rise up though history. Unless i've sorely misread you biker you run true to the bikers i've known and you 're not one of those need a pack. And your no stranger to someone hating you for what they think they see. I'd guess like me you kinda enjoy it lean on em a lil see if they got what it takes and like watching em fold. When i see em try it with someone else, anyone else it gets my irish up. And i just can't help buying a piece of the fight.Hey the Irish love an underdog and we've fought for losing causes since who flung the chunk. You'd a laughed to see me when i was young.

There all those caps and punctuation are just for you. more there than in a year for me.Doggone High Road is gonna ruin me

 

[mordechaianiliewicz]

Sorry, I corrected my sentence to America vs. "Aztlan."

Cousin Mike, it's about the racism of the past, and the fact that many blacks will side with the Hispanics, because many will listen to what sycophants that are seen as "black leaders" tell them.

More on this later......

 

[Biker]

Cassandrasdaddy...

I'm an "underdog" guy too and I play by my own rules - never could stand a bully. Right is right and wrong is wrong. However, as an American, I'm beginning to feel like the underdog - like I'm under attack. I've no doubt that there is an agenda and when I get pushed, I push back. I'm hoping that there's a peaceful solution to this growing problem.
Thanks for making your posts easier to read - I enjoy them

Biker

 

[cassandrasdaddy]

whats the world coming to!

When guy who goes by "Biker" succeeds in correcting my punctuation when a bunch of nuns failed for years....

 

[Cousin Mike]

Mordechai: Understood. However, I don't think as many people listen to the so-called "community leaders" as some folks think. They're pretty much obsolete IMO. Sycophant is a great word, btw.. Thank heavens for google or I wouldn't know what the hell it means.

Snake Eyes: LOL!

 

[mordechaianiliewicz]

Here is what I know. You live in Ohio, and I work for a credit card company for whom many calls saying, "I work in Construction, or I worked in a steel mill, etc. come in, and I can't pay my bill."

I know you're gettin' smacked hard right now. I know many working class folks are. And we all know that a combo of outsourcing and illegal immigration (and the worker visas bringing foreign nurses, software developers, etc. in) is causing that situation. Often the next step up the ladder is into a lower paying professional job.

Because of that, many Southern whites, and blacks, and many Midwestern whites, and blacks will band together to try to stop illegal immigration. That being said, many black folks in the northeast, and left coast will support illegals because of the politics there.

I'm still contending that many blacks will come down in roughly the same #s as whites based upon their area, and surrounding demographics because whites and blacks are ultimately in the same boat here.

That being said, I think the Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton types will lead the march in support of illegals amongst the black community. Those that are paying attention will side with the whites that are being hurt. The rest will do what their told by the Democratic Party for fear that Newt Gingrich, adorned in a white hood will ride on his high horse into their house, chain them, and lead them to the plantation Hitlery Clinton likes to talk about.

 

[Cousin Mike]

All these years later...

...and I still can't believe she said that sh*t.

By the way, you're dead on about the construction industry at the moment. I know this hasn't been the best year for me, or a lot of other folks I know.

I've spent a little time on the east coast... they're different up there, that's for sure. I haven't been back since I was 18 or so. Even back then, the people out there just got to me - completely different than the people here... I could never get used to it out there.

It upsets me to say this, but i think you might be right. Never even considered the area politics. More of a reason to hope things never come to that point with the illegal situation.

sounds about right...

 

[cassandrasdaddy]

if

i believed that the anti illegal movement wouldn't devolve into another low point in american history it would be easier to support.However i just see another redux of some old ugly history. Same feelings and players different generation. There are some videos i've seen that make me fearful more of the americans than the illegals.

I think that some black folks recognition of the same face of hate and bigotry will end up bringing them in to support the immigrants in another case of common enemies

 

[crazed_ss]

i believed that the anti illegal movement wouldn't devolve into another low point in american history it would be easier to support.However i just see another redux of some old ugly history. Same feelings and players different generation. There are some videos i've seen that make me fearful more of the americans than the illegals.

Yup. Illegals might be illegal, but some of the stuff coming from the righteous Americans on the other side of this debate is just downright vile. Not something I'd want to be associated with.

I think that some black folks recognition of the same face of hate and bigotry will end up bringing them in to support the immigrants in another case of common enemies

Yup.. I'm black and this sums up my feelings exactly.

 

[Ezekiel]

The inherent self-righteous attitude of many Americans -- facing this, or any, problem -- is grotesque.

I said this in a different thread. I think it still works:

Which is why I'm getting sick of self-righteous "Americans" whining about this sort of thing.

If your ancestors -- like mine -- met the Mayflower from the shore, you can talk.

"No?" Shut the hell up.

What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

That being said, the issue here is entitlement. Nobody, I mean nobody, acts more entitled than "Americans." You want to compete? Work at Denny's for $7.50, not the $20 hourly your unskilled a$$ thinks you deserve.

Mexicans are NOT the problem. Lazy Americans drive me insane.

The United States has spent a lot of time creating "common enemies" lately. Why not at home?

Besides, based upon policy, we (government) SUPPORT all forms of immigration for cheap labor. Said folk are merely taking advantage. Illegal? Sure -- but so is not reporting that $100 won last year during an NCAA Tourney pool...

 

[cassandrasdaddy]

the funny thing

is that some of the video that bothers me is put on web by the sos/minute man camp.And if they can't see the poison within their own organization or seeing it can't control it thats real bad. While i don't doubt that many if not most are good folk with valid concerns and no desire to cross the line if they are not careful their movement will be taken over by theactions of their lunatic fringe.This could esult in some good folks being recast as a new generation of "good germans".i saw one tape showed one particularly unpleasant "man" who seemed most comfy accosting women. Another member of his group tried to rein him in but was unsucessful.


There is a money aspect to this that is oft overlooked. Besides the largely unaccounted millions being raised and going who knows where i'm reminded of our last venture into this type of activity many a fortune made after the japanese were sent off to the camps lots of property and buisness bought up cheap or simply absorbed .My cynical nature makes me think that often a moral smokescreen hides a more venal motive.

But also the immigrants need to ploice their ranks . All the same flaws exist in their camp as well.I'm truly glad that so far its been fairly nonviolent

(capitalization and puntuation brought to you at the request of biker. lol)

 

[Ezekiel]

While i don't doubt that many if not most are good folk with valid concerns and no desire to cross the line if they are not careful their movement will be taken over by theactions of their lunatic fringe.

Knee-jerk and short-sighted "shotgun diplomacy." :banghead:

I think that would be a bad move...

 

[wingman]

I still think this belongs on APS and, for the most part, is lowering the group IQ.

Disagree, uncontrolled immigration will in time effect gun ownership, sad fact
is if we continue on this path in 40 years guns will be controlled much like
British laws.

Note: When I am concerned with post or they raise my blood pressure I click
the mouse and it's gone. Just a more adult way of dealing with issues that upset you, especially on the INTERNET.

 

[longeyes]

The cases of assault I've read about have been initiated by the illegal alien side.

We keep coming back to the obvious: these people are trespassers, and trespassers tend to be unwelcome.

Minutemen are attacking helpless illegal alien women? Don't even go there. Start reading the police blotters if you want the ugly realities.

Yeah, the grand plan is to confiscate illegal alien "property." Sure. This is ironic in light of the property--in taxes--being expropriated by the illegal alien community in the U.S. on a daily basis.

This whole situation will, no doubt, affect gun ownership. It will increase it, both legally and illegally. As for our losing our gun rights by government action, you have to wonder which government that might be 40 years down the calle.

 

[cassandrasdaddy]

my concern

is that there is a video of some goon, and hes with the minutemen i don't know if hes a member, is behaving in a manner that would get him stomped. and hes mugging for the camera while doing it. and hes surrounded and backed up by a group of "good americans" who are unable or unwilling to stop him. hence the "good germans analogy.

where you doing your reading? i've seen as opposed to hear about ilegals victimized who are afraid to go to the cops.

the police blotter shows the actions of criminals and no one supports them. the goons i've seen and sadly the minute men are attracting some aren't the least bit ashamed of themselves reminiscent of germany in the 30's. it behooves the minutemen to tighten up their act . the goons alienate others and strengthen their enemy on many levels.
the pervese reallity is that they could suceed in chasing off the "nice " element and leave us just the bad guys.
and there is gonna be collateral fallout when the goons can't tell a good (legal) from a bad(illegal). unless you know of someone like a girl in another forum who asserts she can tell folks in cars going the other way at 70 mph rlelative spped are "wetbacks".
we gonna do gold stars for muslims... what symbol for the "good mexicans" have the minutemen got in mind?