Anything over 50 yrs is a C&R

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I just got my FFL newsletter from the ATF. In it, they very clearly clarify one of the biggest misconceptions about C&R eligible firearms.

So here it is, once and for all, ANY firearm, military or civilian, made before February 5th, 1955 is a C&R. Tomorrow, those made on February 6th, 1955 are elidgible. It doesn't have to be on the list and it doesn't have to be military surplus. Of course, NFA laws still apply.

Now I can find me a 45ACP S&W 1955 target to purchase with my C&R.

Here is a direct quote from the newsletter(emphasis mine):
SALES OF FIREARMS TO LICENCED COLLECTORS OF CURIOS AND RELICS

Curio or relic firearms are defined as firearms which are of special interest to collectors by reason of some quality other than is associated with firearms intended for sporting use or as offensive or defensive weapons. To be recognized as curios or relics, firearms must fall within one of the following categories:

(a) Firearms which were manufactured at least 50 years prior to the current date, but not including replicas thereof;

(b) Firearms which are certified by the curator of a municipal, State or Federal museum which exhibits firearms to be curios or relics of museum interest; and

(c) Any other firearms which derive a substantial part of their monitary value from the fact that they are novel; bizarre, or because of their association with some historical figure, period, or event [See 27 CFR 478.11 for information on the requisite criteria ATF considers in rendering determinations under this subsection].

As a reminder, a C&R licence does not afford any priviledges to the licencee with respect to acquiring or disposing of firearms other than curios or relics in interstate or foreign commerce. A licenced collector has the same status under the GCA as a non-licencee except for transactions in curio or relic firearms. Therefore, sales of non curio or relic firearms by Federal Firearms Licencees to C&R licence holders are subject to the Brady Law National Instant Checks System (NICS) and completion of ATF form 4473 [See 27 CFR 478.93].
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What I am waiting for is some of those nice Smith and Wesson Revolvers that will be coming up C&R soon.

Chris
 
now for a sensible and respectful reply. thank you very much for this info. yes, i have been curious and i now feel much more knowledgeable/informed. ty again
 
Can you imagine in the future when guns like AR's, Glocks and the like will be able to be shipped door to door?

That is so cool.
 
And for those on the fence about getting your C&R, you get enough of a 'dealer' discount from Brownell's and Midway to EASILY make back your $30 in three years. You'll probably make it back on your first order!
 
I've tried to use my C&R at gunshops.

They don't know what it is.

They are afraid to sell a gun without a 4473

Kind of frustrating.
 
They used to honor C&R's at my local gunshop until one of the guys sold an AK to a guy on one. That was the end of that. Biggest problem with the C&R is that people who don't deal in them have no idea what they are. So even tho' a gun may qualify as a C&R, getting someone to send it to you on your licence may be impossible.
 
I've tried to use my C&R at gunshops.

They don't know what it is.

They are afraid to sell a gun without a 4473
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I'm not really versed on C&R licenses but I thought it basically just allowed you to have C&R guns shipped to your house rather than having to go through an FFL dealer. Is there something you can't just walk in and buy at a gunshop without a C&R license??

brad cook
 
With a C&R you "should" be able to walk into a gunshop, pick up a C&R eligible weapon and buy it with out background check or yellow form. It doesn't always work out that way.
 
Can you imagine in the future when guns like AR's, Glocks and the like will be able to be shipped door to door?

That is so cool.
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Sorry, but that will never happen. By that time we will have gun laws like Australia, and those will be illegal.
 
I got the same newsletter, but there are a few things that it doesn't mention and I've spoke with the ATF about:

Detachable mags. Right now there is only one rifle that I know about that has been given the okay by the atf to be for sale. The government doesn't want you to have a battle rifle that has detachable mags.

SKS's are on the list but Norinco's aren't, even the ones that were made 50 years ago. They don't even list serial numbers to the effect that they do with others on the list.

Not all guns that are over 50 years old are on the list. You have to be careful on that one because the rifle or handgun may be over 50 years old but if it's not on the approved list, then it's considered a modern arm. Catch .22 so to speak.

Like the old saying goes, if the nanny government gives you permission then you can do but don't try to find the gray areas because they will kill you for it :).

Wayne
 
(c) Any other firearms which derive a substantial part of their monitary value from the fact that they are novel; bizarre, or because of their association with some historical figure, period, or event [See 27 CFR 478.11 for information on the requisite criteria ATF considers in rendering determinations under this subsection].
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Interesting ... so what we need is for someone famous to start buying firearms, having their photo taken with them and we could see brand new guns on the C&R list :p

So shouldn't things like Mateba Auto-revolvers be C&R because they are "novel" or "bizarre"?
 
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