I dont think so. It would just drive it into a black market. But that will never happen anyway. But even if you were able to eliminate the scalpers it would not have a dramatic effect on supply. The demand is clearly still there. The shelves would still be empty because the prices are too low.
Are you buying ammo at higher than market prices?
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jimmyraythomason
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I fail to see how the price of any product or service is anyone's business but the buyer and the seller. How much it sold for is between them and none of anyone else's concern.
I have determined that you need 0 rounds of .22lr.
Therefore, in order to avoid being part of the problem, you need to sell me all that you have for 4.5 cents per round.
If you have more than I have determined you "need", you are a hoarder unless you sell it.
And unless you sell it for less than what Walmart charges, you are a scalper.
danez71
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(...as to the bolded parts)
My best guess is its probably no more than 25%.
Yes. I do know what happens then.
Since consumption (generic term) is what drives the market economy, in a black & white world No consumption = No more producing the product. Prices for the remaining inventory will either go up or down and 22 firearms go to near zero value.
Going back a few pages "How does that help our sport?"
Thanks goodness we live in a world of various shades of gray... and some color too!
Apparently what we need is a government run registry where every round purchased is recorded, and every person is only allowed to possess a certain maximum quantity, based on "need", with the only way to buy more being to return your spent cases...with your registered firearms microstamped serial $ on them...for credit towards purchasing an equal amount of factory new replacement.
danez71
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LOL.... No. Not a scalper. A gouger.
Jeeeze... keep it straight. How are we to have a productive conversation if you don't use the correct terms.
(tongue in check)
I do know this... on the internet, you have to take things for what they are. I'm no detective. For all I know, some of you are middle aged men surfing porn most of the day sitting in a garter belt and leather mask. I don't know...and really don't care about that.... but I do know this, without being a detective, some of you are indeed scalpers or gougers, just based on your posts and defensive manners. It's pretty obvious.
Gun Master, you hit the nail square on the head. Kudos.
Gun Master, you hit the nail square on the head. Kudos.
Gun Master
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"What is the definition of "is" ?" We have heard this before.
Also, what Pogo said. "We have met the enemy.....and he is us !" (Just in case any missed it before.)
Also, what Pogo said. "We have met the enemy.....and he is us !"
(Just in case any missed it before.)
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I object on matter of principle. The ridiculous name calling and temper tantrum stuff is just really, really old, as well.
I've been a net seller of ammunition, including .22lr ammunition, the past year. As in, not even counting what I have shot, I possess less than I started with.
And I've only purchased one box of 525 rounds from a brick and mortar retailer in that entire time frame.
Other than that I jumped on some CCI from Gander Mountain at a good price (I have never and will never sell any CCI .22lr, I like it too much) but they had a purchase limit so it wasn't a lot...and I got a case I had backordered with the CMP, which I split with my dad.
So you can take me off the list where you resort to personal insults when your argument doesn't go the way you would like.
Danez71, I think we are seeing eye to eye my friend. Or we are at least about the same height.
How does it help our sport? I am not sure if it does or doesnt. It is defniately a question removed from the economics. I think that is where a lot of the rub is on this thread. To JCwints point earlier, it sucks for the scout groups and others who rely on cheap rimfire to teach youngsters. There is no doubt about that.
One comparable is golf. I play competitive golf. When I was a kid 18holes was 4 bucks and range balls were 50 cents with a school ID card at every public course in Fort Worth. This was in the early '90s for inflation reference. Pretty much anyone could play if they wanted too. It was also much cheaper for grownups. Colleges recruited from city, state and school tournaments. A lot of the kids that went to the old SWC and Big 8 schools grew up on these public courses. But over time those courses got much more expensive, the equipment skyrocketed, and more and more courses opened. A national junior amateur tour called the AJGA expanded. These rich kids were getting all kinds of instruction from national coaches and pretty much all Big12 and SEC recruits come from there today. The kids who could not afford it got pushed out. So is it better today or worse today? I dont know. I do know that the scores we were shooting to finish in the top 10 in 1995 would not get you a scholarship today. The players who do play are infinetely better, if not fewer. But now the worm has turned. Courses were over built and have had to come way down on prices to drive revenue. Now blue collar kids have access again and are competing for the same opportunities that they were just locked out of eight or so years ago.
I know its not a gun story or THR material, but I thought it was comparable and somewhat applicable. Its at least a diversion from the last 12 pages.
jcwit
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You do have a point, but then those who are participating in this so called business (aka scalpers, gougers) would then be legal.
larryh1108
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Being a guy who gave up golf for shooting sports many years ago, when prices got crazy, I liked the story. It does show that most things are cyclical. We may be in a shortage/high price cycle for .22LR ammo for a few years.... maybe even until we have a new prez in 2016. But, as everything else, it is cyclical and there will be a day when shooting .22s is the best fun and cheapest thing to do around.
RetiredUSNChief
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Ironically, if the internet went away so would all this endless online bickering about "scalping", "hoarding", ammunition conspiracies, endless debates on the cause and cure, what constitutes a "fair market price", who "needs" ammunition and who does not, and the endless cries of "FOUL!" whenever somebody talks about some good deal they took advantage of on ammunition somewhere.
jcwit
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Good point, and the same has happened to NASCAR.
Who did I insult or even single out? I stated a fact, in that we do not know nothing about the people posting. In fact, I stated that I did not care about that fact. I did state there are definitely scalpers of gougers posting, while never saying who I may or may not suspect. So accusing me, and others of this mystery temper tantrum for simply stating our point of view, which you and everyone else has done, is wrong as well.. Plain and simple.
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Mike1234567
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*double post *
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Mike1234567
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Attacking postures provoke defensive postures. I'm guilty of both. So you believe hoarders and gougers are sexual perverts? Okay, sweety-pie. I'm not a scalper but, in your mind, maybe a gouger. I don't wear garter belts nor a leather mask but I do surf porn now and then. I like pretty ladies so please don't get your hopes up.
Yes and No
When the prices went nuts at websites like SGAmmo - I started researching when the trucks arrived for all the local Walmarts and I would call when the trucks came in, if they had ammo I'd drive out there and buy some.
No - because I refused to pay the high prices on the Internet and at LGD, but sorta yes when you factor in my gasoline and the extra trips to Walmart just to get 3 boxes of ammo.
When the prices went nuts at websites like SGAmmo - I started researching when the trucks arrived for all the local Walmarts and I would call when the trucks came in, if they had ammo I'd drive out there and buy some.
No - because I refused to pay the high prices on the Internet and at LGD, but sorta yes when you factor in my gasoline and the extra trips to Walmart just to get 3 boxes of ammo.
danez71
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I think so too, now.
Its actually a relevant story. The pendulum swings both ways.
I'm still not 100% convinced that there isn't a supply issue. But what do I know....?
New conspiracy theory!!!!
Thank goodness he didn't say latex.
Gun Master
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Buying Ammo
Whose behavior can I control ? Mine.
Can you control my behavior ? No, I can.
Whose behavior can you control ? Yours.
Can I control your behavior ? No, you can.
Somebody is buying enough ammo to keep the ammo companies in business. It's you &/or me.
Point being, each one is responsible for our own actions. Do we want to try ?
Whose behavior can I control ? Mine.
Can you control my behavior ? No, I can.
Whose behavior can you control ? Yours.
Can I control your behavior ? No, you can.
Somebody is buying enough ammo to keep the ammo companies in business. It's you &/or me.
Point being, each one is responsible for our own actions. Do we want to try ?
Queen_of_Thunder
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You just have to understand we have people here who got caught short last year and instead of correcting that problem like many have they have chosen instead to speak of others in derogatory terms by calling them flippers,scalpers and hoarders. They have blamed others for their troubles and failures. Now we have this BUNK (unlicensed undocumented reseller).
Queen_of_Thunder
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Originally Posted by Duckdog View Post
I do know this... on the internet, you have to take things for what they are. I'm no detective. For all I know, some of you are middle aged men surfing porn most of the day sitting in a garter belt and leather mask. I don't know...and really don't care about that.... but I do know this, without being a detective, some of you are indeed scalpers or gougers, just based on your posts and defensive manners. It's pretty obvious.
Gun Master, you hit the nail square on the head. Kudos.
So now its come to this. Somebody lock this perversion.
Originally Posted by Duckdog View Post
I do know this... on the internet, you have to take things for what they are. I'm no detective. For all I know, some of you are middle aged men surfing porn most of the day sitting in a garter belt and leather mask. I don't know...and really don't care about that.... but I do know this, without being a detective, some of you are indeed scalpers or gougers, just based on your posts and defensive manners. It's pretty obvious.
Gun Master, you hit the nail square on the head. Kudos.
So now its come to this. Somebody lock this perversion.
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