ArmaLite Pistols: First Pictures!

[R127]

So let me get this straight... a CZ clone chambered in 9mm, .40 and .45? I am bored to tears. They may as well be making yet another .45 1911 clone, everybody else does. :banghead:

Please give us something new, something innovative. A 7.62x25 would rock. 10mm would blow me away. At least give us .357sig. Please, no more boring clones.

 

[USGuns]

I'm with you R127, I'm not sure how this gun is "A New Chapter In The History Of Innovation"? What's so innovative about this gun?

 

[treebeard]

Please give us something new, something innovative.

I completely agree. Haven't we had enough copies of copies from copies?!?!

 

[atblis]

How bout this

I am waiting for one of these to come out. They look neat.
http://www.grandpower.eu/_EN_Menu.htm

 

[GARY1911A1]

Thanks atblis, it looks like they are only going to be made in 9MM for now and Uncle Mike's may be importing them? At least that was my impression from the web site, but if so why weren't they introduced at SHOT?

 

[Grayrider]

I am under the impression it is R-Guns that will import them into the United States.

John

 

[atblis]

Yeah

As far the AR24 goes. I'd recommend that everybody withhold judgment until they actually get their paws on one. They appear to be a very nice pistol.

They're listed as the USA dealer. I emailed them and they indicated that they had some but were currently out of stock. I dIdn't get a price out of them.

 

[Grayrider]

Interesting. Please post a review if you get one. I have exchanged emails with the company and found them quite nice to chat with. I hope they are successful as it appears to be an innovative design.

John

 

[mtgale00]

AR-24.... What a joke!

Armalites add in Gun Digest claims the AR-24 is "A new chapter in the history of innovation". Who's history are they talking about and just what is innovative about the pistol? Their history and nothing. Let's face the facts. This is just another CZ clone. Another stab at nothing.... Oh, and its made in Turkey. WTFO?

Grayrider, you also claim its innovative. Please list one innovative feature? Your right you can't....

When will the insanity stop?

 

[old_ironsights]

Bernardelli is another affiliation. The picture below is their P.One.

 

[Prince Yamato]

None of these guns are "NEW", they all come out of Eastern Europe or Turkey. Kind of like people who hype the Springfield XD as the "American Glock". Nope, it's Bulgarian- called the H2000. Oh well, since we can't legally import as civilians, might as well just enjoy these "NEW" inovations in "American" guns.

 

[atblis]

Croatia

XDs are from here

Not Bulgaria (close though).

 

[Grayrider]

MTGale00,

I said the K100 was innovative. I never said the AR-24 was innovative. I don't really have time to go into why the K100 is innovative. Visit their web site, look at the design, view the videos. In particular the select fire pistol's lack of recoil.

John

 

[dleong]

My buddy's old man just picked up a 2006 manufacture Baby Eagle in .45 two weeks ago. Still poly rifled, as is my 2002 production 9mm.

I purchased a full-size 40S&W Baby Eagle in mid-2004, and was rather surprised to discover that it came with conventional "land and groove" rifling. I too had been under the impression that all BEs came with polygonal rifling.

 

[solidpoint]

Ar-24

I am very interested in this gun, feed my pistol about 1,000 rounds a month for USPSA matches and practice, and am NOT happy at all with the quality of my CZ 75B. I am looking for a higher quality implementation of the CZ75, and think the AR-24 might be the solution as I am not going to pay $2k for a Phoenix.

I have only three concerns with the AR-24 for practical competition. First, slide stop breakage, which I assume soft loads will make unlikely, 10-round mags for California, and the rounded trigger guard. My PX4's trigger guard has the same shape as the AR-24 and it almost sucks my finger into the guard. This might be needed for a carry pistol, but I don't want to get DQ-ed from a match because the guard doesn't properly support the finger during gun "management" tasks. (I also wonder how safe this makes a carry pistol as this is a real-world safety concern)

Actually, for competition I would like a super-heavy duty trigger guard to add weight right at the CG so I get weight without producing a pendulum effect as with weight out on the chin, or at the end of the mag, as with the CZ-SP01. If a competition AR-24 weighed in at 1185 grams, like the SP01, and put the weight in the hand, instead of on the chin, it would have a substantial advantage for producing accurate double-taps.

The only feature I would not tolerate in this gun is going away from the CZ grips. The palm-swell is such a critical feature for acquiring and holding a correct grip that lacking that I would NOT have any interest in the AR-24. The palm-swell is so critical to holding a proper grip I have come to the conclusion that people who buy guns that don't have them have never learned how to hold a pistol properly. For those of us who actually shoot guns, and do so proficiently, "cool looking" is not a feature.

I know that very minute features make or break pistols, so it doesn't surprise me that a lot of posters here don't "get" the AR-24. Greyrider, or anyone, as soon as you can find a way to get one into California please let me know. TVMIA.

PS: The K100 Grand Power is an interesting gun, but I think the Beretta PX4 and Cougar are better implementations of the rotating barrel lock.

 

[ugaarguy]

Welcome to THR solidpoint. I look forward to hearing your input based on your competition experience. However, comments such as:

The palm-swell is so critical to holding a proper grip I have come to the conclusion that people who buy guns that don't have them have never learned how to hold a pistol properly.

are a very broad and sweeping generalization. Quite frankly it's insulting to many here. We all have our grip preferences, and just because folks don't like the same grips you do does not mean they lack the knowledge to hold a pistol properly.

 

[atblis]

How so

Have you actually seen a GrandPower? On what are you basing the assertion that the Beretta is a better implementation of the rotating barrel?

What quality issues did you have with the 75B? If you're talking about purely cosmetic things, such as the polycoat and machining marks, that discussion has been had. Perceived quality might make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside, but it does nothing for the function of the firearm.

I am confused about this pendulum effect you describe. For rapid shooting inertia is your friend. Locating mass towards the muzzle increases the rotational inertial, thus mitigating muzzle flip. It's quite noticeable in the SP01 (in a good way). Simply locating mass at the COM increases translational inertia, but does nothing for rotational.

Again, I am confused about the palm swell. I am pretty sure the AR24 has a palm swell (actually more pronounced than the CZ).

 

[roscoe]

When they make one in 10mm, I will take a look. Otherwise, why not stick with the real deal?

 

[mtgale00]

Payolla

Armalite is spending a fortune with payolla rags like Shotgun News and Gun Digest to hawk the AR-24. I fired off a letter to each of them several weeks ago asking them to explain what is innovative about the pistol, still no response. I don't even need to shoot the pistol to know its a piece of crap just like all of the other CZ clones. Yes, I am implying that CZ's are crap too... This is a very professional opinion of course.

 

[The Unknown User]

Hey, these look pretty cool. Thanks for sharing.

 

[BusMaster007]

Did I miss the part where this gun doesn't take CZ magazines...?

 

[atblis]

Wow, professionally ignorant!

This is a very professional opinion of course.

I hope that's sarcasm, and I hope that "professional" opinions are based on something...other than nothing.

Though I do agree that the gun rags are simply cuddling up to Armalite because of the nice adverts they've been buying.

My initial impressions of the Armalite are that it appears to be a quite decent pistol, but the price is a touch high. If it were about $100 cheaper, I'd probably pick one up.

 

[Uribobo]

wnbe CZ?

 

[Dobe]

I'll problably end up getting one of these. I prefer the forgings and the lines of the AR over the "Real Thing".

 

[lanternlad1]

The Armalite 24 is an overpriced CZ-75 clone made in Turkey. Big Deal. Get a real CZ-75 cheaper and be happy. I have nothing but contempt for Armalite for imitating instead of innovating.