Assassination attempt calibers

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"JFK was likely more than a single caliber. I'm just saying...."


what are you saying? oswald had two guns?





Yeh, I think that is what he is saying.;)
 
George Wallace, who was shot by Arthur Bremer with a Charter Arms
Undercover .38 Special
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Interesting. I have one of those.

Also, wasnt there a famous assaination (may not have been an American) that invovlver an Iver Johnson 1st model top break in .38 S&W?

I have the same fun in 2nd model, and seem to recall seeing something on History channel about this, as I rmember it catching my attention being almost the same gun as mine...

OK, looks like I just have a crappy memory. Looks like it was Sirhan shooting RFK with his .22 caliber 8-shot Iver Johnson Cadet 55 that I was thinking of, as that's all I'm turning up for "Iver Johnson assasination" on google.

Oh well. Neat collection idea though.
 
I recently spent hours searching the Internet trying to find out what cartridge was used in the assassination attempt on Teddy Roosevelt. (I have insomnia and enjoy doing research). I found all kinds of contradictory information on web sites that looked like they should be an authoritative source.

I finally found a book that was written on the subject www.gutenberg.org/files/21261/21261-h/21261-h.htm
and it says he was shot with a revolver chambered in 38 Long Colt, from a distance of about five feet. One hundred pages of paper (a 50 page speech folded in half) and a steel glasses case slowed the bullet enough that it lodged in his chest between his ribs. He immediately went on to give a speech to a large crowd of people, wearing a blood soaked shirt. The bullet was never removed.

The lesson I learned from this was; when doing research, don't believe anything I read on the Internet.
 
Carcano used to shoot JFK:

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Majority of gun-murder episodes of Columbo seem to use a .25 ACP or .32 ACP although there was also an episode where the wife instantly kills her husband with one shot from a .22 LR pocket pistol, oh the magic of TV...
 
What about the guns the cops used on Bonnie&Clyde?
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If my recollection serves me, I think the main weapons used to end the career (and lives) of Bonnie and Clyde were Winchester Model 1907s in .351 Winchester Self-Loading. But I could be wrong.
 
If my recollection serves me, I think the main weapons used to end the career (and lives) of Bonnie and Clyde were Winchester Model 1907s in .351 Winchester Self-Loading. But I could be wrong.
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either American Rifleman or guns&Ammo had a "quiz" question I think it was on just that, recently. I had thought it was a BAR, but I think the correct answer was Winchester Model 1907s in .351 Winchester Self-Loading. I remeber 'cause I got it wrong....:D
 
Hey! Dont forget Larry Flynt!
Ruger 44 mag carbine to the guts!
He rates with some of the politicians for sure! He had the same out come as George Wallace, wheel chair for life.
 
What about the guns the cops used on Bonnie&Clyde?
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I always thought they had equipped themselves with BAR because Clyde was so notoriously good with the BAR. The police had been out gunned more than once by them and this planned ambush wasn't taking chances.

They were killed about 30 miles from where I grew up. Supposedly my grandfather stumbled upon them hiding out when he was hunting (aka tending his still) and found them right pleasant folks. This was about a month before they drove into that lead storm. As a kid I saw the car a couple of times displayed at fairs. Whatever they used it was large caliber and they were not running out of ammo. Car looked like swiss cheese it had so many big bullet holes in it.
 
"JFK was likely more than a single caliber. I'm just saying...."


what are you saying? oswald had two guns?
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That's funny. Oswald never fired a shot, unless you count the "magic" one that was "found" on the bed, or the other "magic" one that went out the direction of the overpass and turned around and came at JFK from the front of the limo.

It is 100% settled that the Zapruder film is a partial composite. No one, and I mean NO ONE who has seen the evidence is trying to make the ridiculous case that the Zapruder film is UNaltered.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DLqjqTbIPU

People either won't talk about it or they agree it's a composite. No one will challenge the long list of evidence that the film was seriously altered, especially with specifics. http://www.assassinationscience.com/johncostella/jfk/intro/

All the bullets that hit JFK had a trajectory coming from places other than where Oswald was. They also came from near street level.

I'll bet at least on of the shooters had a .270. Any other caliber ideas?
 
Aaron Burr what did he use?
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Wogdon Dueling pistols. Smooth bore. Probably .58 or .56 caliber (I've seen reference to the .56 but most Wogdons were .58).

The interesting part isn't the caliber of the pistols but the controvercy behind the duel itself. Part of it is that Hamilton had no intention of shooting at Burr and fired a full 3 to 4 seconds after Burr. Some think it was unintentional and due to Burr's fatal shot of Hamilton. There was also controvercy in the pistols themselves. Dueling pistols were kind of specially made. They were smooth bore because they considered the rifled bore less sporting. There was also special care taken in the creation of the bullet so that there were no air pockets in them and also with the load to ensure they were the same. From what I understand they were also built with more time between pulling the trigger and the powder actually going off. It's said that one of the pistols had a hair trigger to lessen the gap between pulling the trigger and the powder ignition.

Both pistols still exist today and one was examined and it did have the hidden hair trigger. It's said that the presenter of the pistols quietly asked Hamilton if he wanted the special pistol and he turned it down and chose the regular pistol, giving the hair trigger to Burr. It's also rumored that pistol also had rifling to ensure it's accuracy.

It's said that even a good shooter using a smoothbore duelist pistol and actually taking the time to properly aim had a 1 in 5 chance of hitting the other duelist. But Burr managed to hit Hamilton in the side with Hamilton standing sideways to him to present less of a target. Hamilton had been in 21 other duels and Burr in one other before this one.

It's funny though. 20% of duels involving swords resulted in a death only 6.5% of duels with pistols resulted in death.
 
Bonnie and Clyde were shot at by a Remington 81 with a 20 round magazine according to American Rifleman TV. I'm nearly positive, but I know Winchester sounds wrong.

FFMedic
 
Bonnie and Clyde were shot at by a Remington 81 with a 20 round magazine according to American Rifleman TV. I'm nearly positive, but I know Winchester sounds wrong.
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I may have been completely out to lunch with the Winchester comment. You know what they say about age and failing memory...

Well...I forgot what they say, actually.
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I found some amateur historians discussing the same thing here. No mention of a Winchester 1907:

http://oklahombres.org/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2876036794/m/67910431141
 
The most important assassination in the last century was that of the Archduke and his wife. As I recall it was a .32 browning pistol that did them in and somehow this event was used as an excuse to start WWI.

The filmed reenactment always shows a BAR being used. Hamer is supposed to have had a remington 8 in either .25 or .35 remington.

Below is one account: http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/history/hamer_guns.htm
Frank Hamer had owned an engraved Remington Model 8 in .30 caliber for years and knew well the excellent qualities of the weapon. He opted for a larger caliber to deliver more punch to the target. He ordered the standard .35 from Jake Petmeckey's store in Austin, Texas and was shipped serial number 10045. Hamer also contacted the Peace Officer Equipment Company in St. Joseph, Missouri for it's "police only" 20 round magazine for the Remington rifle. Some years ago Frank Hamer Jr., a distinguished lawman in his own right, gave a filmed interview in which he showed the nimble .35 that his father had bought especially to go after Bonnie and Clyde. As to the rifle's ability to tear holes in a V8 Ford, Frank Hamer had an unimpeachable source - Clyde Barrow. Though Clyde and Bonnie escaped the Sowers ambush by Dallas County authorities in November of 1933, Clyde ditched his shot up car near the Ft. Worth Pike and commandeered a less damaged car to make good their flight to freedom. The abandoned V8 spoke volumes to the able lawmen of Dallas County and to the Rangers. Ted Hinton had hit the car 17 out of 30 shots with his Thompson submachine gun and hadn't penetrated the car body. Veteran Deputy Bob Alcorn had chugged away with his hefty Browning Automatic Rifle and ripped some respectable holes all the way through the car. Hinton called his Congressman, got a BAR from the government and a back seat full of ammunition, and learned how to shoot the roaring automatic rifle.
 
Defensory wrote and showed picture of Carcano used to shoot JFK "

More correctly should state that it was the rifle that the warren commission said was used. It is unlikely that the rifle in question was used to shoot anybody that day.
 
XDKingslayer: The 1960's was period when a few very prominent people got killed by violent means and also very many little people got killed with little notice. The common thread was left wing politics and what few convictions there were, only little fish got caught.
Relative to Pres. Kennedy do you really believe the account given by the warren report and think that anyone with differing opinions is wearing tinfoil. Sir, please make sure that you are not wearing blinders and ear plugs.
By the way the kennedy assassination was used as an excuse for the 1968 gun control act.
 
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