Brady Campaign Board Member Gets CCW

[BullfrogKen]

I'm still thinking this whole story is completely fabricated and made up. As pointed out in post #42, she's using this episode - which I am still not convinced is true - to expose some silly point she wants to make as if it's some game.


But the sad part is that Ms.Magazine actually printed an article that makes this woman out to be totally helpless. She describes herself as unwilling to take on any personal responsibility for the decision she made. She's coming across like some frightened little girl who has to run to the nearest authority figure - in this case a police officer - to help her.


Again, I thought Ms.Magazine was all about the Women's Liberation movement and female empowerment . . .

Silly me.

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

To add insult to injury, they appear to be selectively moderating comments as well. I linked to the Emily Miller piece to provide a contrast and they declined to publish that comment even though they have published several later comments.

 

[19-3Ben]

There are names for people like that and they aren't very nice.

Reminds me of a great line from an old movie:

"There's a name for women like you, but it's not used in polite society.....outside of a kennel."

 

[Doc7]

I think this woman needs to learn that "responsible" sometimes means going above and beyond what the law says you can and can't, or have to do.

There isn't a law saying that a parent needs to nurture their child emotionally, but nobody in their right mind would perform an experiment like this in order to petition lawmakers to enact one.

This woman is intentionally being dangerous, and putting herself in danger, and it's really offensive.

 

[BullfrogKen]

Well Bart, of course they are editing out reasonable but opposing viewpoints from the comments.

She posted an unreasonable, irrational story for a reason, you know.

 

[xwingband]

They're definitely selectively moderating comments. Mine hasn't made it up.

I explained a retention holster to a commenter saying it could be taken. The picture if it's to be believed has a thumb break. I asked why they thought martial arts should be a requirement. I've seen plenty of cops with open top holsters and I know not all of them have gun retention training. Haven't heard of a significant amount of people shot with their own gun while open carrying...

They want it to prove their point. If nothing else they'll either make a mistake in the writing that shows it's a falsehood out of ignorance or it will be uneventful which proves our point.

 

[Maia007]

So here I sit at Starbucks, and the irony couldn’t be thicker

Indeed.

 

[BullfrogKen]

They don't want reasonable, rational counterpoints.


They want an article full of apprehension, fear and nervousness, tugging on the heartstrings on women who also have an irrational fear of guns. The last thing they want is a discussion that will stop that emotional hyperventilation.


Again, I find it astounding an institution that prided itself as a self-described "voice of fierce feminism" is publishing an article portraying an adult woman frightened of an inanimate object; who had to run to find a man to help her; and made a conscious decision to remain completely ignorant.

Again . . . if this story is even true.

She just about played up to every emotional stereotype that feminists tried to erase the entire time I've been alive.

 

[danez71]

Originally Posted by danez71
How does a CWP instructor let her pass if she doesn't even know how to check if her gun is loaded?

To me, that's not good.

Dont get me wrong. I'm for Constitutional carry but if you're going to off a class and pass someone.... they better know how to check to see if their own gun is loaded.

And that, IMO, doesn't look good for us.

If I read the article correctly she did not take (or was required to) a class. Much like my state (MS)

From the article:

Getting the permit to carry a concealed weapon was simple. I filled out a form, had my fingerprints taken for a background check and paid $56.50. No training required. It took far longer to get my dog a license.

What CC permit requires NO training?!?!?!!!!

This isn't adding up. I think she's lying or making up at least some of it or she is so clueless that she doesn't even know what she has done and paid for -- meaning complete lack of understanding and/or completely inaccurate reporting.

 

[OilyPablo]

In WA no training required, but it takes up to 30 days.

She is still an idiot. On one hand she thinks of guns as toys, on the other hand she is deathly afraid of guns. NOT a recipe for success.

 

[BullfrogKen]

What CC permit requires NO training?!?!?!!!!

This isn't adding up. I think she's lying or making up at least some of it or she is so clueless that she doesn't even know what she has done and paid for -- meaning complete lack of understanding and/or completely inaccurate reporting.

Several do in fact. Washington, Indiana, and my own state of Pennsylvania all come to mind just off the top of my head.

No required training component required at all. And we just don't see issues here from that lack of a required training component.

 

[SuperNaut]

If you want to comment on this "article" but don't want to wait for moderation, here is Ms. Magazine's Facebook link:

https://www.facebook.com/msmagazine/posts/10151646907808540

Point and laugh; these people don't realize that they are as ridiculous as a Clown Car.

 

[medalguy]

I think you missed the whole point of the donkey picture. Anyone who would buy a gun, get a carry permit, and deliberately refuse to learn the first thing about that firearm is really a jackass. I could use a lot of stronger words to describe her, but why in the world would anyone want to do what she has done? She is a horrible accident just waiting to happen.

 

[r1derbike]

There are names for people like that and they aren't very nice.

I've heard "blatantly stupid" bandied about.

 

[danez71]

In WA no training required, but it takes up to 30 days.

She is still an idiot. On one hand she thinks of guns as toys, on the other hand she is deathly afraid of guns. NOT a recipe for success.

Several do in fact. Washington, Indiana, and my own state of Pennsylvania all come to mind just off the top of my head.

No required training component required at all. And we just don't see issues here from that lack of a required training component.

Thanks for the info.. I did not know that.

I'm in AZ and I'm fine with the Constitutional Carry but even in AZ if you want a CCP you still have class time and a have to hit the target in order to get a CCP.

...learn something new everyday...

 

[BullfrogKen]

You just need to get out and around more, danez.


There are all kinds of states with all different kinds of requirements to get the state's blessing to carry your gun around.

I don't think it's necessary to make it a requirement. The evidence says it's not.

Whatever.

I still doubt this is a true story.

What's not in doubt is the sell-out of the feminist Ms.Magazine to the Brady Campaign who apparently think it's fine for women to resort to running to the archetypical male figure - both figuratively and literally in this story - for help in life.


Oh well, the Brady Campaign's view on guns are still stuck in the 1960's. Why shouldn't their views on women be any different?

 

[mokin]

I read this early this morning and thought about it all day. There is a very fine line between courage and stupidity and although what she is doing is very dangerous and not very smart I'll admit that I sort of admire her for what she is doing. It's like getting behind the wheel of a car without having had anybody teach you how to drive. Whoops! The car analogy. But then again anybody with common sense would get trained in that case wouldn't they. Anyway, I digress. What if somebody who lives in her area offers to get her trained and an opportunity to be a responsible gun owner. I'll chip in ten bucks. If some more of us do that she could afford the class and the ammunition. That is, after her 30 days of being a bonehead are over. We can respect that. This could be an opportunity for us to convert a hard core anti. Sorry for the rant, Asbestos suit on.

 

[BullfrogKen]

mokin, it's not a matter of her not being able to afford a class.


It's a matter of her writing a story that has her consciously and willfully deciding not to get educated.


She's a Brady Campaign Board Member. You don't think she could find someone from "the other side" to teach her some gun safety if she wanted it?


I still have my suspicions that she made this whole thing up.

 

[monotonous_iterancy]

I think it's real, although I wonder what the rest of the Brady campaign feels about her doing this.

Does anyone think that maybe if she does this and nothing goes wrong, she'll realize that concealed carry isn't evil or bad, or that guns are not evil or cause people to commit evil, and perhaps want to take it seriously?

 

[Solo]

Not really.

Repeated my request to have the gun when she is done with it on the FB page. Let's see if I get a response.

 

[happygeek]

I still doubt this is a true story.

+1

This is the picture on the linked to blog (which looks suspiciously like a stock photo from an ad)


This is the blog's author and Brady Campaign board member as shown on a simple images.google.com search

But the sad part is that Ms.Magazine actually printed an article that makes this woman out to be totally helpless. She describes herself as unwilling to take on any personal responsibility for the decision she made. She's coming across like some frightened little girl who has to run to the nearest authority figure - in this case a police officer - to help her.

...

What's not in doubt is the sell-out of the feminist Ms.Magazine to the Brady Campaign who apparently think it's fine for women to resort to running to the archetypical male figure - both figuratively and literally in this story - for help in life.

+100

 

[herrwalther]

Can anyone from Vermont comment on whether they have observed issues from not having a training requirement (since they don't have a permit requirement)?

Queue story I told in another thread about someone twirling a loaded Glock around his finger shortly after buying it in the store.

Firearms are a right. But they should be treated like a privilege. You shouldn't be able to just strap on a firearm like this woman, carry it dangerously just to prove a political point. But alas that is how our system works. Thankfully this problem is self defeating. Most people who carry do realize the responsibility involved in carrying a lethal weapon, and seek the training necessary for its safe use. And people like her become a 15 minute celebrity for being stupid, CCW permit doesn't get renewed when it comes up. The firearm is either sold, stored or destroyed.

 

[PapaGrune]

I do not think their Facebook page is gathering the response they wanted or were expecting.

 

[BBQJOE]

I guess we're supposed to be surprised that someone can do a carefully choreographed 'experiment' and come up with the findings that she'd already written down in her outline for the story she's going to write.

This is real news: Woman hates and fears guns. Gets one, and hates and fears it.

 

[kwguy]

She's an idiot. Offering to pay for her classes, or offering to teach her would not help. She would refuse it, because she wants to make her point. And that point is: She can willfully be an idiot with a gun. And she is. Deliberately so.