mcdonl
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Buying a Hi Point
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Honestly, I'd rather get a PA-63, here is one for $189
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=182429000
And another for $169
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=182747209
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=182429000
And another for $169
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=182747209
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christcorp
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I like the PA63, P64, as well as many others like the CZ-82. But the truth is, $190 doesn't sound like much difference, but as a MINIMUM, you have to add about $25-$30 for Shipping and handling; another $25 minimum for the FFL transfer that most dealers charge. Now, you're back up to $240-$250 compared to the $150 hi-point C-9 that you can usually get out the door for that price. And, the mil surp guns you don't get to hold, touch, look at, etc... You are buying blind. A hi-point at the local gun shop, you can see it and touch it. And you can walk out the door with it right then and there. Once in a while you can find a mil surp pistol at a local gun show, but that's becoming more difficult as time goes by. For the person who wants a good reliable home defense gun, that's also fun for plinking, and has a no questions asked warranty policy where they even pay for the shipping by giving you a free magazine to compensate for the $12 it cost to ship; get the hi-point. Take the $100 you save, and buy 500 rounds of ammo at walmart.
Shadow 7D
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What do you want if for, as Hi Point is much like a Geo metro, it gets you from point A to point B, just like the expensive cars, and like some have mentioned there are other gun, mostly used in the same price category that are superior in craftsmanship.
As a centerfire learning or first gun, it is easy to shoot because the weight absorbs the recoil, but not so easy to clean/take down. I love the CZ82 personally, and Toks are great, but if you find a HiPoint for less than 100, it isn't a bad deal.
As a centerfire learning or first gun, it is easy to shoot because the weight absorbs the recoil, but not so easy to clean/take down. I love the CZ82 personally, and Toks are great, but if you find a HiPoint for less than 100, it isn't a bad deal.
I was doing some research online concerning the 9x18 Makarov and found this,
Here's the link to the site.
Here's the link to the site.
Shadow 7D
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And the 9x18 is the most powerful round that can be used in a compact blowback ie. light weapon before you start looking like a hipoint.
Cards81fan
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While the pressure is lower, it is not the full story to ballistics in a round.
You can find ball ammo for both, but typically can find hollow point ("personal protection") for only the 9mm (9x19).
9x18 is rated for 231 ft-lbs for a 95 gr projectile at 1050 ft/s out of a 3.8" barrel.
9x19 varies widely, from 300 - 500+ depending on bullet weight and loading (Parabellum, NATO, +p, +p+) and manufacturer. So it is a little "hotter" on the whole.
But I think most would agree that the real-world effectiveness of the rounds differs very little; your mastery of the weapon and placement of the round has a far greater influence than the differences between these cartridges and type of bullet (ball versus JHP) in question.
nobody.special
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I don't have a HP pistol, but have a HP carbine and fired thousands of rounds through it flawlessly.
I have (3) 9mm's, one of which is a Kel-Tec pf-9, and is highly recommended if you can throw a bit more $$ at a pistol. If not, get what you can afford.
Also, I recommend getting a 9mm over the .40 and the .45 if you are concerned with affordability and looking for the most bangs for your buck. It's cheaper by the box, and if you ever begin reloading (never say never), it is still much cheaper than 40 or 45. I have, and reload both 9mm and .45... and I shoot both of them often. 9mm is waaayyy less expensive if you are going to shoot a lot.
As for performance of a 9mm vs the others... practice often, learn to shoot straight and load it with good ammo when it is waiting in it's defensive position. While a .40 and .45 my have more stopping power, a good 9mm round shot in the right spot will be very effective. I recommend Hydroshocks, but there are plenty of other good ones out there.
I have (3) 9mm's, one of which is a Kel-Tec pf-9, and is highly recommended if you can throw a bit more $$ at a pistol. If not, get what you can afford.
Also, I recommend getting a 9mm over the .40 and the .45 if you are concerned with affordability and looking for the most bangs for your buck. It's cheaper by the box, and if you ever begin reloading (never say never), it is still much cheaper than 40 or 45. I have, and reload both 9mm and .45... and I shoot both of them often. 9mm is waaayyy less expensive if you are going to shoot a lot.
As for performance of a 9mm vs the others... practice often, learn to shoot straight and load it with good ammo when it is waiting in it's defensive position. While a .40 and .45 my have more stopping power, a good 9mm round shot in the right spot will be very effective. I recommend Hydroshocks, but there are plenty of other good ones out there.
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ThePunisher'sArmory
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Save up an extra 100 and get a Ruger P95. They can be had for $299-339. Its alot better gun. ALOT BETTER!
xxinterex911
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I own a high point .40 and honestly tho it seems everyone hates them i love mine it fires great never jammed on me and is a very nice shooting pistol
christcorp
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You can find plenty of Hollow Point personal protection for the 9x18 makarov. Hornady sells hollow point. I can find it in almost any gun store. Silver Bear makes a very good hollow point for personal protection. Corbon Powerball makes a very good personal protection ammo. As well as buffalo-bore having hard cast defense rounds. There's plenty of personal protection ammo out there for the 9x18 makarov caliber.
gatopardo
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the best hi point
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gatopardo
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I own three of them:
C9, real fun to use, double taps are possible, very accurate
40 s&w, fun to use, very accurate, with practice is possible to get tight groups at 20 yards. Maybe due to the long slide.
Carbine, superb accuracy, super fun, put a red dot on this baby and the range is yours, we draw thumb size little monsters and such over the targets and shoot them at 35 yards, yes! 35 yards.
Better yet put glow-on.com super phosphorescent and there is nothing like this:
C9, real fun to use, double taps are possible, very accurate
40 s&w, fun to use, very accurate, with practice is possible to get tight groups at 20 yards. Maybe due to the long slide.
Carbine, superb accuracy, super fun, put a red dot on this baby and the range is yours, we draw thumb size little monsters and such over the targets and shoot them at 35 yards, yes! 35 yards.
Better yet put glow-on.com super phosphorescent and there is nothing like this:
speaksoftly
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+1 to the 9mm because ammo's too expensive to be a caliber snob.
mcdonl
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Thanks Snowdog... I love TT-33's.... (Hi Points too.... but I have plenty of those...)
How do I buy from SOG without a C&R? It is sort of a statement that you need a C&R to buy a compatible gun that compares in price with a Hi Point. Warrenty must not be as good
Anyway, I want one. Do I need to get my FFL to purchase one from them? Because, now that $190 has $25 added to it, plus shipping. I will look into it. If I can get it for under $200 shipped I will grab it.
CajunBass
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Go ahead and get your C&R. The license costs less than one transfer at my dealer, less than two actually. (Yea, I could find a dealer with a cheaper transfer fee if I wanted to.) The little paperwork involved is no more than most people keep on their own guns anyway.
And it's cool having a gun shipped right to you.
And it's cool having a gun shipped right to you.
migkillertwo
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+1 to this. You won't regret spending the extra money on a firearm that is leagues ahead of the high-point.
tinygnat219
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Here's my 2 cents from what has been gathered here:
You want something for home defense, and range use.
You want something in a decent caliber.
You want something inexpensive.
You want something now.
The Hi-Point C9 meets these requirements. So what if it's a little big and blocky? You mentioned you only want something for home defense and range use.
C9 is in 9MM, the most widely produced and inexpensive handgun cartridge out there. With the right bullet, it's a great cartridge.
C9's price has already been shown and you have the money for it now and you want it now, not in a few weeks or months.
The Hi-Points are superior to several of the milsurps out there for several reasons:
Support is available with a phone call to the factory. For Hi-Point, they offer a lifetime warranty with no questions asked. Trying to find a part for some of these milsurps is simply ludicrous (try finding parts for the CZ-82, or an extra mag for the M-57 Tokarev gun).
Aftermarket options abound. Extra mags are cheap.
No obscure cartridges. You aren't going to find 7.62X25 Tokarev at Walmart and the cheapest stuff out there is 1950s Bulgarian surplus ball ammo that might or might not fire with the first trigger strike. 9MM Makarov is getting out there, but again you are limited to either Hornady, or Silver Bear for realistic self-defense ammo. NIB Factory 9MM ammo is much more reliable to fire, and is a more powerful round . Also, you can fire 9MM hollow point +P out of your C9, the 2 P6 SIG guns I have couldn't chamber 9MM hollow point reliably.
Hi-Points are often deridden. The problem is, most folks haven't really had one and internet commandos / arm-chair tacticians / basement-investor types often don't know what they are talking about. Hi-Points are fine guns. They're built to a budget price and often offer the best self-defense platform options for those on a budget. Get it, learn to shoot it, and you'll be fine until you can afford something more to your liking.
You want something for home defense, and range use.
You want something in a decent caliber.
You want something inexpensive.
You want something now.
The Hi-Point C9 meets these requirements. So what if it's a little big and blocky? You mentioned you only want something for home defense and range use.
C9 is in 9MM, the most widely produced and inexpensive handgun cartridge out there. With the right bullet, it's a great cartridge.
C9's price has already been shown and you have the money for it now and you want it now, not in a few weeks or months.
The Hi-Points are superior to several of the milsurps out there for several reasons:
Support is available with a phone call to the factory. For Hi-Point, they offer a lifetime warranty with no questions asked. Trying to find a part for some of these milsurps is simply ludicrous (try finding parts for the CZ-82, or an extra mag for the M-57 Tokarev gun).
Aftermarket options abound. Extra mags are cheap.
No obscure cartridges. You aren't going to find 7.62X25 Tokarev at Walmart and the cheapest stuff out there is 1950s Bulgarian surplus ball ammo that might or might not fire with the first trigger strike. 9MM Makarov is getting out there, but again you are limited to either Hornady, or Silver Bear for realistic self-defense ammo. NIB Factory 9MM ammo is much more reliable to fire, and is a more powerful round . Also, you can fire 9MM hollow point +P out of your C9, the 2 P6 SIG guns I have couldn't chamber 9MM hollow point reliably.
Hi-Points are often deridden. The problem is, most folks haven't really had one and internet commandos / arm-chair tacticians / basement-investor types often don't know what they are talking about. Hi-Points are fine guns. They're built to a budget price and often offer the best self-defense platform options for those on a budget. Get it, learn to shoot it, and you'll be fine until you can afford something more to your liking.
christcorp
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You say to save up another $100, yet the price you give is already another $150-$190. There is NO NEED to save up more money, for another gun, if a person has tried the hi-point and likes it. Saving more money for a different gun is a WASTE of money. Now, if you've tried a hi-point and don't like it; it doesn't feel good; or you can't hit the side of a barn with it; then that is a good reason to save and buy something else. But to "Just Save" another $150-$200, simply because it's a hi-point is a total waste of money.
valorius
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Ahem, not exactly:Shadow7 said:
The HK P7 is a gas delayed blowback and is dimensionally similar to the new Walther PPS subcompact 9mm.
A P7 of any kind is many times the price of a Hi Point ($500-$2000 depending on model), but they do exist.
For home defense and plinking a Hi Point 995 Carbine (under $200 new, about $140-150 used) is a WAY better selection than any handgun, in almost all cases. I cannot stress enough how outgunned a pistol user would be if faced up against a 995 carbine user. The 995 will feed and fire anything and is rated for +P+ ammo. That means Corbon Powrball in the 1600+ fps range, and probably around 700fpe of energy. That's beyond .357 magnum ballistics out of a 4" gun or 10mm Ballistics out of a 5" gun. Recoil is minimal, and the carbine is surgically accurate at real life gun fighting ranges.
Frankly, with 147gr+P bonded core JHP ammo i fully expect that you could even drop adult white tail dear with a 995 quite easily.
If you MUST have a pistol, for just ever so slightly more than a Hi Point - probably about $25- you can get a used Kel Tec 9mm that also has a lifetime warranty. That's what i'd do.
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The Lone Haranguer
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I've paid four to six times as much as a Hi-Point for handguns that still malfunctioned and broke anyway. A few years ago I shot a friend's 9mm carbine and, while it had been beaten with an ugly stick, it put a magazineful of bullets where I wanted them to go with no stoppages.
A few years ago I shot a friend's 9mm carbine and, while it had been beaten with an ugly stick, it put a magazineful of bullets where I wanted them to go with no stoppages.
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I have a nice HiPoint .40 for you if you're interested... (have to fund another purchase!)
christcorp
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Sorry valorius, but while I love my Kel-tec P11, that suggestion isn't really a good replacement for the hi-point.
1. Used Kel-tecs still cost in the range of $250+. That's still comparing apples to oranges when it's $100 more than a NEW Hi-Point out the door.
2. The warranty is not a good example either, because a Kel-tec's lifetime warranty is ONLY for the original owner. (Says so right on their web site). So again, apples to oranges when compared to Hi-Point's warranty.
Don't get me wrong. If a person wants a small concealed carry pistol, the Hi-point is not a good choice. If a person wants a double action pistol, the hi-point is not a good choice. If a person wants a light-weight pistol, the hi-point is not a good choice. If a person doesn't trust their capabilities as much or they believe they could get into a "Gun Fight" instead of just defensive needs, and a hi-cap magazine is a priority, then the Hi-Point is not a good choice.
However; if a person wants a reliable and dependable pistol; that is inexpensive; that is accurate; for home/truck type defensive needs; that's also fun to plink/practice with; and they don't have to worry about babying it and not scuffing or bumping it because they paid $600+ for it; and they want a warranty that covers any situation for the life of the weapon, no matter who the owner is, where the company pays for all of it (Including shipping, but giving you a free magazine to cover shipping charges); then the hi-point is an excellent choice.
And the hi-point is an excellent choice in it's OWN RIGHT. NOT just for people who can't afford something "More Expensive". (Mind you I didn't say necessarily better). It's not just for the person who this is their only gun at home and it's better than nothing. The hi-point is also good for the person who has $10,000+ worth of guns at home. It's good for the person looking for a gun to satisfy a specific niche; such as in the truck, in the garage, in the boat, camping, etc... The hi-point is a great gun for a lot of people and a lot of purposes. NOT just for someone who can't afford a more expensive gun. And 99% of all hi-point owners will most likely agree and testify to this. (If you don't like my 99% stats, go ask all the hi-point users the purposes I stated and see what they say).
There is nothing wrong with not liking the feel or weight of the gun; and not wanting to have one. But there is something wrong with people being told that the ONLY people that should have a hi-point, are those that can't afford something more expensive. That's just pure ignorance.
1. Used Kel-tecs still cost in the range of $250+. That's still comparing apples to oranges when it's $100 more than a NEW Hi-Point out the door.
2. The warranty is not a good example either, because a Kel-tec's lifetime warranty is ONLY for the original owner. (Says so right on their web site). So again, apples to oranges when compared to Hi-Point's warranty.
Don't get me wrong. If a person wants a small concealed carry pistol, the Hi-point is not a good choice. If a person wants a double action pistol, the hi-point is not a good choice. If a person wants a light-weight pistol, the hi-point is not a good choice. If a person doesn't trust their capabilities as much or they believe they could get into a "Gun Fight" instead of just defensive needs, and a hi-cap magazine is a priority, then the Hi-Point is not a good choice.
However; if a person wants a reliable and dependable pistol; that is inexpensive; that is accurate; for home/truck type defensive needs; that's also fun to plink/practice with; and they don't have to worry about babying it and not scuffing or bumping it because they paid $600+ for it; and they want a warranty that covers any situation for the life of the weapon, no matter who the owner is, where the company pays for all of it (Including shipping, but giving you a free magazine to cover shipping charges); then the hi-point is an excellent choice.
And the hi-point is an excellent choice in it's OWN RIGHT. NOT just for people who can't afford something "More Expensive". (Mind you I didn't say necessarily better). It's not just for the person who this is their only gun at home and it's better than nothing. The hi-point is also good for the person who has $10,000+ worth of guns at home. It's good for the person looking for a gun to satisfy a specific niche; such as in the truck, in the garage, in the boat, camping, etc... The hi-point is a great gun for a lot of people and a lot of purposes. NOT just for someone who can't afford a more expensive gun. And 99% of all hi-point owners will most likely agree and testify to this. (If you don't like my 99% stats, go ask all the hi-point users the purposes I stated and see what they say).
There is nothing wrong with not liking the feel or weight of the gun; and not wanting to have one. But there is something wrong with people being told that the ONLY people that should have a hi-point, are those that can't afford something more expensive. That's just pure ignorance.
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