If the law passes, it will be a crime to import, use, and even possess ammo that isn't serialized. You'd be guilty of a crime if you brought ammo in from out of state or really did have old ammo left over. All non-serialized ammo would have to be used up or destroyed by 2007. Of course, the police & military are exempt. Also, there's nothing to stop them from upping the date anytime they choose since they're the ones who picked it.
Ca and serial #s on bullets.....
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Mongo the Mutterer
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Hey, this is just more "creeping incrementalism" the Liberals use.
Get ONE PIECE (the "assault rifle" ban) passed, then you can play the comparison game... "If you agree that "assault rifles" should be banned, shouldn't (fill in the blank .. Handguns, Semiautos, Shotguns, Ammo).
Florida is leading the way with the Castle doctrine law. CA is going to hell. Kim DuToit suggests you ALWAYS have one unregistered handgun. Coming from South Africa I take his advice seriously.
Get ONE PIECE (the "assault rifle" ban) passed, then you can play the comparison game... "If you agree that "assault rifles" should be banned, shouldn't (fill in the blank .. Handguns, Semiautos, Shotguns, Ammo).
Florida is leading the way with the Castle doctrine law. CA is going to hell. Kim DuToit suggests you ALWAYS have one unregistered handgun. Coming from South Africa I take his advice seriously.
cliffy109
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This is exactly what we need to be doing as well to get our rights back. It can be done. Take a look at what has happened in VA over the last few years. We got a "shall issue" permit. Once we had that in place, it was an easy deal to get permit holders exempt from the old "one handgun a month" law.
Many years ago, we got a preemption bill passed, but it exempted currently existing laws. That meant cities that had a waiting period could keep them. It meant counties could regulate where a permit was good as long as the law was already on the books. Well, once we had statewide "shall issue", and those permits were good enough to allow a person to buy more than one handgun, wouldn't it make sense to make all gun laws the same throughout the state? Sure it would. Last year, we got statewide total preemtion and no longer are the old laws grandfathered.
The next step is to eliminate the restaurant ban for CCW. It has always been legal to carry openly in a restaurant, but its still illegal to conceal, even with a permit. Since we've already laid the groundwork, its just one more small step and I'm sure we'll get this done soon.
There are those who want to take all our rights back immediately. I agree that I'd love for that to happen, but it wont work that way. We need to get them back in small steps, just like they were taken away. We'll get them if we stay strong and vigilant.
El Rojo
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You know, it probably wouldn't be a bad idea to start hording pistol ammunition. Better yet, since we aren't sure what .22 LR is going to be classfiied as, it probably wouldn't be a bad idea to start buying caseloads or even truck loads of it. If this thing were to pass, you could turn a mighty nice investment on this.
Yeah, yeah, I know, I should be opposing this rather than looking forward to it. I guess I am in the, "This thing is already screwed up beyond repair, lets watch it crash so people will have no choice but to fix it" mood.
Yeah, yeah, I know, I should be opposing this rather than looking forward to it. I guess I am in the, "This thing is already screwed up beyond repair, lets watch it crash so people will have no choice but to fix it" mood.
cropcirclewalker
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I have some questions about how they will implement this law.
1)They say they can identify a bullet with as little as 20%. So they find a crime bullet with 19% readable and let's say they can read ???5678910987654. It turns out that you happen to have bought no. 2345678910987654. Is that probabable cause to toss your digs?
2)I assume that the number is inside the cartridge to keep it from being defaced either accidentally or on purposefully. Are you going to have to shoot all your ammo into a barrell of water (or otherwise disassemble it) to find the one you bought with that number? So you pull 2000 rounds of ammo and find the one you're looking for, which clears you. Who pays for all the ammo?
3)Instead of pulling and finding, you remember that you were shooting last weekend at the Jones Firing Range and shot up all your ammo there. You know you are not the BG, so you know the bullet they seek in in the berm. Who gets to dig it up?
4) This database the AG maintains....Is there going to be some low paid state worker digging out all the bullets out of all the berms, recording the numbers and calling in to the home office to remove each fired bullet from the database? Ha, an opportunity for political patronage.
5)Since it will be a crime to possess ammo which is not numbered and since the numbers will be unaccessable to you OR yer average LEO, when he pulls you over and asks if your ammo is registered (of course you have a CCW) and you respond, "Yes, I just bought it at Wally World last week". How will he know? Does he say, "OK, move along." Does he pull your bullets and then call up Wally World for verification? Sure it's easy to run you in if there are no numbers. What if there are? How does he know?
6) When you walk out of Wally World with your new box of ammo.......How do you know it really is numbered? Take them apart? What if they accidentally didn't get numbered? Does Wally World do the time? Can you sue?
Even so, what is to keep a guy from buying a box of bullets in Nevada, buying an identical box of bullets in PRK, switching the bullets from box to box, shooting up the numbered bullets and sueing the heck outa Wally World? The old cockroach in the yogurt ploy.
Lotsa problems with the implementation.
edited to add.......Hey, I just noticed.......500 posts
1)They say they can identify a bullet with as little as 20%. So they find a crime bullet with 19% readable and let's say they can read ???5678910987654. It turns out that you happen to have bought no. 2345678910987654. Is that probabable cause to toss your digs?
2)I assume that the number is inside the cartridge to keep it from being defaced either accidentally or on purposefully. Are you going to have to shoot all your ammo into a barrell of water (or otherwise disassemble it) to find the one you bought with that number? So you pull 2000 rounds of ammo and find the one you're looking for, which clears you. Who pays for all the ammo?
3)Instead of pulling and finding, you remember that you were shooting last weekend at the Jones Firing Range and shot up all your ammo there. You know you are not the BG, so you know the bullet they seek in in the berm. Who gets to dig it up?
4) This database the AG maintains....Is there going to be some low paid state worker digging out all the bullets out of all the berms, recording the numbers and calling in to the home office to remove each fired bullet from the database? Ha, an opportunity for political patronage.
5)Since it will be a crime to possess ammo which is not numbered and since the numbers will be unaccessable to you OR yer average LEO, when he pulls you over and asks if your ammo is registered (of course you have a CCW) and you respond, "Yes, I just bought it at Wally World last week". How will he know? Does he say, "OK, move along." Does he pull your bullets and then call up Wally World for verification? Sure it's easy to run you in if there are no numbers. What if there are? How does he know?
6) When you walk out of Wally World with your new box of ammo.......How do you know it really is numbered? Take them apart? What if they accidentally didn't get numbered? Does Wally World do the time? Can you sue?
Even so, what is to keep a guy from buying a box of bullets in Nevada, buying an identical box of bullets in PRK, switching the bullets from box to box, shooting up the numbered bullets and sueing the heck outa Wally World? The old cockroach in the yogurt ploy.
Lotsa problems with the implementation.
edited to add.......Hey, I just noticed.......500 posts
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Sven
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(( sigh ))
Sometimes I wish Rush was into firearms - maybe someone can call in on Open Topic Friday and mention this.
Sometimes I wish Rush was into firearms - maybe someone can call in on Open Topic Friday and mention this.
Carnitas
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Other interesting questions:
Are you going to have to report stolen amunition the way you would report a stolen gun to keep yourself from being on the hook for a crime comitted with this ammo? If you would be advised to report the thieft you'd also have to keep a data base of the ammo you purchased, had in stock, and had consumed to make an accurate report.
Of course with the brass left on the firing line and the bullets left in the berm it would be pretty easy to frame a person for a crime.
A bullet dropped during a malf clearance and not picked up would leave you open for a new kind of identity thieft.
Are you going to have to report stolen amunition the way you would report a stolen gun to keep yourself from being on the hook for a crime comitted with this ammo? If you would be advised to report the thieft you'd also have to keep a data base of the ammo you purchased, had in stock, and had consumed to make an accurate report.
Of course with the brass left on the firing line and the bullets left in the berm it would be pretty easy to frame a person for a crime.
A bullet dropped during a malf clearance and not picked up would leave you open for a new kind of identity thieft.
No_Brakes23
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You got it backwards, most of the gungrabbing leftists are up there. There are so many Repubs in Orange County, they sometimes refer to it as "the Orange Curtain." And I don't think I need to tell anyone where San Diego sits on this issue with 10+ military bases and politicians like Duke Cunningham and Jay LaSuer. If those stinky hippies up North decided to ditch us, I bet we might get some of our liberties back.
Oh and I love all the "hyuk, hyuk, hope it falls into tha ocee-uhn." statements. Let's just ignore that it is geologically impossible. I bet Ocean-front property in AZ would just make all the gungrabbing heels move to AZ and ruin it.
El Rojo
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Not true. You forgot Los Angeles. I think it should split into three states. Los Angeles, the Bay Area, and California.
No_Brakes23
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Nor Cal makes LA look like the deep south. Yes Hollywood is full of antis, (But many gunnies, too,) but the Lawmakers are up there. San Bernardino, Riverside, Imperial County and central Cali are nigh indistinguisable from many other "heartland" places of the US I have been too. LA is the exception of SoCal, not the rule.
Berkely alone makes LA seem positively Republican.
CleverName
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PLEASE learn a little bit about California before you criticize her. San Francisco and Berkeley are in Norcal. Berkeley makes San Francisco look moderate at times.
El Rojo
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Just look at the numbers of liberals that vote though. Los Angeles makes up a large number, so sure they are all concentrated in Los Angeles County, but I mean they are concentrated! The bay they are more spread out.
That goes with any of the gun control laws they have enacted. The California legislature is full of lunatics that suffer from a total disconnect from reality.
If you're a Californian and you haven't contacted your reps and made a lot of noise about it you're doing the free people in California a big disservice.
Don't forget about anti-gun Koretz's AB 352 pistol "microscopic characters" bill either.
cropcirclewalker
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Enforcement?
The bad guys will not do crimes with registered bullets unless, of course, they are registered to someone else. The only time John Law will find a registered bullet is if a citizen does a shoot. If it's registered? It's "Never Mind".
Now if you whack a bad guy in your home or whatever and the bullet is NOT registered, that's when they can pile on .......... to the citizen.......righteous shoot or not.
This will only be a "Piling On" law in it's implementation. Sorta like finding drugs in your car........AND a gun. Now instead of the misdemeanor drug possession, you get to do serious time for the shootin' iron. Piling on.
The bad guys will not do crimes with registered bullets unless, of course, they are registered to someone else. The only time John Law will find a registered bullet is if a citizen does a shoot. If it's registered? It's "Never Mind".
Now if you whack a bad guy in your home or whatever and the bullet is NOT registered, that's when they can pile on .......... to the citizen.......righteous shoot or not.
This will only be a "Piling On" law in it's implementation. Sorta like finding drugs in your car........AND a gun. Now instead of the misdemeanor drug possession, you get to do serious time for the shootin' iron. Piling on.
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