Ca and serial #s on bullets.....

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Thursday April 28, 2:17 pm ET

SAN DIEGO, April 28 /PRNewswire/ -- The following statement was released today by the San Diego Rifle and Revolver Association:

Assemblyman Paul Koretz, the West Hollywood Democrat who successfully pushed an unconstitutional ban on civilian owned single-shot, bolt-action .50 caliber rifles last year, has introduced AB 352, a measure that amounts to a de-facto ban on semiautomatic handguns. The bill slid through the liberal dominated public safety and appropriations committees, and is presently on the floor of the Assembly.

Mr. Koretz maintains that new microstamping technology enables gun manufacturers to etch microscopic characters that identify the make, model and serial number of the pistol on the internal working parts of the gun, and which can be transferred by imprinting on each cartridge case fired. He claims that this will aid police in determining the perpetrator of a gun crime from expended casings found at the scene. This sounds almost plausible until you consider the vast majority of guns used by criminals are stolen, and the huge number of semiautomatic pistols purchased before the proposed law's January 1, 2007 effective date. One wonders how many firings the microscopic characters would survive before being eroded. This bill is an exercise in futility as an effective crime-fighting tool.

But AB 352's true intent is not really public safety. By expanding the definition of an unsafe handgun to include any semiautomatic pistol not designed and equipped with this microscopic array of identity markings, this bill as worded effectively becomes a ban on new handguns. This wonder technology is unproven, and even if it were possible to execute, the manufacturing costs would be prohibitive, thus driving manufacturers out of the California market.

What will happen to law enforcement guns? Ronnie Barrett, Owner and CEO of Barrett Firearms, the primary manufacturer of .50 caliber rifles for civilian, military and police use, watched legislative hearings where Los Angeles Police Department officers promoted the deceptive propaganda that .50 caliber rifles were extraordinarily susceptible to terrorist use. After the ban became law, Mr. Barrett stated that his company "cannot legally sell any of its products to lawbreakers. Therefore, since California's passing of AB 50, the state is not in compliance with the U.S. Constitution's 2nd and 14th Amendments, and we will not sell nor service any of our products to any government agency of the state of California."

The San Diego Rifle and Revolver Association urges all freedom loving citizens to call their state legislators and the governor -- NOW.

About the San Diego Rifle and Revolver Association

The San Diego Rifle and Revolver Association is a California Rifle & Pistol Association firearms club and promotes safety and education in the sport of shooting. We also educate the public on the Second Amendment and legislative issues impacting the right to keep and bear arms.


Source: San Diego Rifle and Revolver Association


Can someone please clarify something for me:

I read about the above legislation some time ago.

This doesn't worry me nearly as much as the other bill to require that the bullets themselves be serial numbered.

Requiring bullets to be serial numbered is completely different from requiring guns to stamp bullets that they fire with a serial #, and IMO, the former is much, much worse than the latter, as it would essentially be a defacto ban on ammunition.

SO my question is this: Which bill is under consideration? The one to serialize bullets or the internal parts on guns?

Both??
 
odysseus said:
[W]hat’s the NRA doing about it?

Asking for more money.

If this idiocy passes into law, which seems unlikely, then things in California will get very interesting, I suspect.

~G. Fink
 
How would the "Imprint the serial number onto cartridge casing during firing" work? Serial numbers in chambers? Firing pins with the numbers? So we want to possibly ruin the brass and rupture it, venting gas into places it shouldn't? Or put it on a part of the firearm which will wear out/break and be replaced frequently? I doubt you could imprint on the rim of a centerfire cartridge.

I think the problem with these idiots and their constituency is that they do not understand the intricacy of the mechanism of the average firearm. They act like putting a needless safety into a perfectly good firearm is something that can be done in one or two years of research and design while still making it reliable, accurate, etc. They need to stop watching so much sci-fi and start reading engineering textbooks.
 
I think the problem with these idiots and their constituency is that they do not understand the intricacy of the mechanism of the average firearm. They act like putting a needless safety into a perfectly good firearm is something that can be done in one or two years of research and design while still making it reliable, accurate, etc. They need to stop watching so much sci-fi and start reading engineering textbooks.


No, see....you don't get it; they don't NEED to understand the mechanics of firearms because it doesn't matter; ALL THEY WANT TO DO IS BAN GUNS.

THIS LEGISLATION IS NOT ABOUT CRIME. IT IS SIMPLY ANOTHER FORM OF GUN CONTROL.

CALL AND WRITE, CALL AND WRITE, EVEN IF YOU DO NOT LIVE IN CA!

THIS LEGISLATION WILL SPREAD TO OTHER STATES LIKE THE DISEASE THAT IT IS!!!!!


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Californian's need a wake up call. I sort of hope this goes through just so everyone gets screwed. The funny thing is it is only handgun ammo. I guess I will just use my rifles or shotguns to commit crimes from now on. :rolleyes:
 
Beethoven - 'Scuse me for confusing the issues. I got them mixed up. To answer your question, they are both on the agenda.

First, the Assembly:
AB 352 is on the Assembly floor and could be heard at any time. AB 352 expands the definition of "unsafe handguns" to include semiautomatic pistols that are not designed and equipped with a microscopic array of characters which identify the make, model, and serial number of the pistol, etched into the interior surface or internal working parts, and which are then transferred by imprinting on each cartridge case when the firearm is fired. Please contact members of the Assembly at (916) 319-2800 and ask them to oppose AB 352.

Second, the subject of this thread is in the Senate:
SB 357 would establish a program requiring serialization of handgun ammunition to be enforced by the Department of Justice. The manufacture, transfer, and possession, of non-serialized handgun ammunition after July 1, 2007 would be considered a crime. SB 357 would also require ammunition vendors and manufacturers to register with the Department of Justice. SB 357 is scheduled to be heard in the Senate Public Safety Committee on April 26. Please contact members of the committee at (916) 322-1305 and urge them to oppose SB 357.

I haven't heard any updates.
 
Oh well that's just GREAT that both bills are active.

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Thanks for the clarification.

I was curious to know which is active since they are similar but different.
 
What do you think they are going to go after next?
That is a good question. My guess is they keep trying on the ammo tax or maybe not since it failed once. Next guess is maybe adding some more guns to SB23, our AWB. The safe gun technology is a good one too, gotta have that stamp on the firing pin. Actually, all semi-autos that would be good too. Who really knows.
 
And it looks like Ravensforge makes equipment to take the fun out of skateboarding.

Take the fun out of it? They make safety devices to prevent damage because of it. Skateboarding isn't a crime in my eyes. Damaging property because you have to fool around on a stupid little board with wheels, IS. :fire:
 
Who said anything about noise? I'm talking about property damage.

If you're not mature enough to accept that property damage is wrong, then I guess I shouldn't push the point. Of course, you give up any high ground to complain about people doing donuts in your lawn, too.
 
They make safety devices to prevent damage because of it.

Skatestoppers may stop 415s from happening, but they are NOT safety devices. They are booby traps for skaters. Skaters most likely involved in something legally questionable, but that doesn't change what they are there for.

It might be wrong, but some part of me likes it when I see skatestoppers hacksawed off. Maybe these monkey wrenchers will start shooting red-light cams, too.
 
Oh, golly, Gramps. I see you've lost your sense of humor, too. Forgot what it was like to be young?
you give up any high ground to complain about people doing donuts in your lawn
Don't have that problem...do you? Your neighbors probably don't. Hmmm, maybe it's the grouch in ya? :neener:

Skateboarding is as much a skill sport as shooting or anything else. Denigrating it only dates you and labels you as an intolerant :cuss: . Don't get it? Neither do the folks who don't like that I own more than one gun. Deal with it. Respect the fact that others have other interests.
 
Oh, golly, Gramps. I see you've lost your sense of humor, too. Forgot what it was like to be young?

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you give up any high ground to complain about people doing donuts in your lawn

Don't have that problem...do you? Your neighbors probably don't. Hmmm, maybe it's the grouch in ya?

Skateboarding is as much a skill sport as shooting or anything else. Denigrating it only dates you and labels you as an intolerant . Don't get it? Neither do the folks who don't like that I own more than one gun. Deal with it. Respect the fact that others have other interests.

I said that if you cause property damage to other people, you'd be a hypocrite to whine about if it happened to you, but you probably would anyway.

Where did I denigrate skating? Stop being so over-sensitive. There's nothing wrong with skating, it takes skill, it's cool. We're arguing two different things here.

You: SKATING IS TEH AWESOME U R MEAN NASTY INTOLERANT

Me: Don't damage people's property.

You: INTOLERANT! INTOLERANT! WHY DO YOU HATE SKATING?! OLD STUPID MAN!

Apparently skating is so closely intertwined with property damage that any criticism of property damage is taken as an attack on skating itself? :confused: Maybe I should rethink my mostly positive outlook on skateboarders...
 
They make safety devices to prevent damage because of it. Skateboarding isn't a crime in my eyes. Damaging property because you have to fool around on a stupid little board with wheels, IS. :fire:

What I get from the above post is not that property damage is the problem, but that folks who fool around on a stupid little board with wheels are. Da?

or did I misunderstand the phrase "stupid little board with wheels" :scrutiny:
 
So, reading one of the articles posted, it mentioned that a grandfather clause for existing ammo (a period for shooters to expanding thier existing stocks) will be included. Since this will be included, and all pre-existing non-serial numbered ammo in the state will be allowed to exist, what exactly is to stop people from buy illegal (as expressly written in the bill) ammo from out of state and just say it was old ammo they had laying around? The rest of the country won't have serialized ammo. And if it isn't serialized, there is no way to date it really, at least not one commercial ammo. Is this bill not just begging gun owners to violate the law?
 
as long as they need something to do they could always put numbers on primers and cases as well. I am sure that would help keep inmates busy as they have little to do besides workout and get free medical care. might be hard to put numbers on each individual grain of powder though. the lengths people will go to in order to enforce their warped view of the world is simply amazing!
perhaps the minutemen ought to congegrate on the kali border, dig a deep trench and put their feet on one edge and their backs on the other and push that part of the country into the ocean, then the rest of us can get some sleep.
DJW
 
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