Ca: Bullet/Case serialization could be final straw?

[Gordon Fink]

Assuming this passes the Legislature, I doubt Governor Schwarzenegger would sign it. He has already vetoed a previous ammunition bill.

Still … it will be very interesting if this bill becomes “law.”

~G. Fink

 

[Sindawe]

Not going to throw them down. Trust me, they all will.

Why not? Why are you seemingly giving loyalty to those who would sell us out for a profit? Mass voicing of displesure NOW, while plans are being made to re-tool may have a greater impact than later, AFTER the $$$ to re-tool has been spent.

 

[MechAg94]

I just thought it would be funny to hear of a perp robbing a bank with a cap & ball revolver. Probably not if he shot someone though.

 

[Henry Bowman]

Related stock tip: If this passes, invest in companies that sell brass catchers.

I would not want to leave brass registered to me laying around at the range or elsewhere. Perhaps they might also assess a deposit (like on cans and bottles, to please the enviros) that is refundable when the empties are returned. That way the empties are no longer registered to you and can be legally "transfered" to a reloader.

The law of unintended consequences would apply in full. The antis would see them as "fringe benefits," however.

 

[DRZinn]

I would not want to leave brass registered to me laying around at the range or elsewhere.

No brass will EVER be registered to me.

 

[Elmer]

Why not? Why are you seemingly giving loyalty to those who would sell us out for a profit? Mass voicing of displesure NOW, while plans are being made to re-tool may have a greater impact than later, AFTER the $$$ to re-tool has been spent.

I'm not going to reveal private conversations, sorry if that doesn't make sense to you.

You know, when the other side hears about "boycotts," they have to be happy. Divide and conquer is a time tested tactic, and many are willing to jump right in. How does stopping folks in California from buying ammunition help the cause? Then people can't shoot, and our numbers shrink, not to mention we don't bring new shooters into the fold.

As far as punishing the CEO's for not doing something that would cost them their livelihood, how about you quitting your job, going to work for the NRA for free, selling your house, and donating the funds to the cause?

And if you wish the ammo companies not to comply, write to all of them, because I guaranty you, they all will if this passes.

 

[R.H. Lee]

How would/could this affect internet sales? What prevents me from taking a road trip to Nevada a couple of times a year?

 

[Elmer]

How would/could this affect internet sales? What prevents me from taking a road trip to Nevada a couple of times a year?

Only threat of prosecution. I'm sure many will ignore the law. The bitch will be getting caught.

 

[Sindawe]

I'm not going to reveal private conversations, sorry if that doesn't make sense to you.

No, it makes perfect sense to me now that you've stated HOW you came by the information.

 

[Elmer]

Assuming this passes the Legislature, I doubt Governor Schwarzenegger would sign it. He has already vetoed a previous ammunition bill.

Still … it will be very interesting if this bill becomes “law.”

~G. Fink

I hope you're right, but who knows? He's in a struggle for the next election, and the other side would fry him in the media.

 

[R.H. Lee]

California is not able to enforce existing gun law as it is now. Take a trip to any formal (or informal, as in the hills/forests) range as see if you can count the number of 'banned' firearms -'assault weapons'

They pretend to regulate and we pretend to be regulated. I don't know what the rate of prosecution for firearms 'violations' is here, but it must be low.

 

[Elmer]

They pretend to regulate and we pretend to be regulated. I don't know what the rate of prosecution for firearms 'violations' is here, but it must be low.

You are correct, but for those who have been prosecuted and made an example of, that's not much comfort.

 

[jefnvk]

Riley, I'd be suprised if anyone in NV would sell to you. Or off the internet.

And you all do realize that if the major ammo companies go ahead with this, probably all ammo will go up in price to pay for the new stuff, regardless if it is marked or not.

Glad my ammo cabinet is usually stocked with surplus.

 

[R.H. Lee]

Why? Do they ask for ID in NV for ammo purchases? And while we're at it, how can California enforce its law on non residents? And what happens if I reload serialized brass 'registered' to someone else?

This makes no sense, and is unenforceable on any practical level.

 

[bg]

If this passes and gets signed here in Corruptfornia, what makes you folks
think other states won't follow ? AS signed the bill making 50 BMG rifle
an "assault rifle" with all the crap that goes with that, and now a few
other "states" are going after it as well as the some in the Congress.

Like the old saying, s**t flows down hill. The s**t in this case being Kali
and the paths would head north, south, and east. I've already contacted
both my Assembly Member and Senator and they are both pro-gun
people. They're voting no on both AB352 and SB357.

 

[Bob]

Well, we won't be 20% of their business when this becomes effective. The only possible reason for this legislation is to take away firearms from the general populace. It will create a whole new class of criminals out of ordinary people. It will have no effect whatsoever on people who prey on others. Like I said before though, nothing will happen to stop this until EVERYONE in the state is affected by it.
Bob

 

[Poodleshooter]

And while we're at it, how can California enforce its law on non residents?

This is what I want to know. Why would any non CA based ammunition manufacturer,retailer or wholesaler care what California thought about them selling ammo there? They could simply sell online to CA residents. What would stop them from making direct sales? True,the California AG can ban them from doing business with CA vendors of their products,but if the law effectively bans them from doing so anyway, why not simply ship direct to the huge market of CA customers and bypass their local CA middlemen? They have nothing to lose as an out of state ammunition manufacturer/distributor. It's not as if the CA AG can sue them in their home state.

Also,some relevant pictures for CA shooters:

 

[jefnvk]

I would imagine if this goes through, that at least shops near the border would start checking ID. And online retailers already have a list of places they won't ship ammo to.

any person who possesses in any public place any handgun
ammunition that is not serialized is guilty of an infraction
punishable by a fine not exceeding five hundred dollars ($500), or is
punishable as a misdemeanor.

That is what keeps poodle's idea from working.

 

[R.H. Lee]

any person who possesses in any public place any handgun
ammunition that is not serialized is guilty of an infraction
punishable by a fine not exceeding five hundred dollars ($500), or is
punishable as a misdemeanor.

{{shrug}} Down the road, swap ammo, reload 'serialized' brass, they'll never be the wiser. You won't really accomplish anything except a private f/y to the system.

 

[papaone]

You'll be shocked.

My gun brethren: you may be shocked at what the ammo companies will do.

 

[Standing Wolf]

Assuming this passes the Legislature, I doubt Governor Schwarzenegger would sign it. He has already vetoed a previous ammunition bill.

Is that the same R.I.N.O. Schwarzenegger who recently signed the .50 caliber ban, or some other R.I.N.O. Schwarzenegger?

 

[Elmer]

Expecting any of the firearms related business's to act like anything other than business's is unrealistic. If your 401K were in Olin stock, or Remington stock, or ATK stock, you'd be pretty pissed if the company made a political statement that cost them marketshare, and reduced the stock value.

I hate to say it, but sometimes I wonder if all the huffing and puffing about the manufacturers is just a way to avoid responsibility......

Not that most of the manufacturers don't do plenty for 2nd ammendment causes.

 

[Elmer]

True,the California AG can ban them from doing business with CA vendors of their products,but if the law effectively bans them from doing so anyway, why not simply ship direct to the huge market of CA customers and bypass their local CA middlemen? They have nothing to lose as an out of state ammunition manufacturer/distributor.

Filing felony charges against someone in another state happens all the time. Try shipping hollow point ammo to New Jersey, or Hi Caps to California.

 

[Elmer]

Is that the same R.I.N.O. Schwarzenegger who recently signed the .50 caliber ban, or some other R.I.N.O. Schwarzenegger?

Bingo!

 

[Zundfolge]

Expecting any of the firearms related business's to act like anything other than business's is unrealistic.

I agree, and we should push them hard outside of California to not sell any ammo in California if this silly law passes even to (well maybe especially to) Law Enforcement.

The reason is, once the infrastructure is in place in CA it will only be a matter of time before this stupid law is made federal (or at least spreads from state to state).

You know, when the other side hears about "boycotts," they have to be happy. Divide and conquer is a time tested tactic, and many are willing to jump right in. How does stopping folks in California from buying ammunition help the cause? Then people can't shoot, and our numbers shrink, not to mention we don't bring new shooters into the fold.

This crap has to be stopped now because frankly if this spreads beyond California I believe that puts us one step closer to "time to feed the hogs" and I, for one, don't ever want that day to come. (if it comes to that your 401k is going to be worthless).

But aside from liberty issues, if this law where to spread beyond California what do you think that would do to the stock values of the ammo industry? It would price many people out of the ammo buying market (and thus make for less new shooters into the fold ... which is the entire point of the law).

Fighting this crap in CA is in the best interest of the share holders of Winchester, Remington, Federal, et al.