Call for the Minuteman Goes Forth Anew

[Terrierman]

Great - a convicted criminal (Liddy) supports a vigilante. Didn't President Bush refer to these people as "vigilantes"? They should leave border protection up to the professionals. President Bush has a plan to deal with this immigration problem, I don't understand why Congress is dragging their feet and not implementing it. I don't know all the details of it, but from what I've read it offers amesty to the estimated 12 million criminals currently in this country. That sounds like a good plan to me.

Sir, that is laugh out loud funny!!

 

[neoncowboy]

A few dozen folks in Waco, Texas did something very similar about a decade ago. They used their rifles to defend their right to practice their own religion. Not exactly eminent domain, but the basic idea is the same.

The governent burned them alive.

There's a key difference here:

The gov succeeded at Waco by convincing John Q. that everyone in the compound was a criminal following a criminal mastermind who raped kids and imagined himself to be Jesus....totally alienating the Davidians from everyone else in America.

In this case, the victim is just a regular guy who doesn't want to be kicked out of his house.

Minutemen at the gate are purely defensive and standing up to what everyone recognizes as bullying by the fedgov.

 

[Aguila Blanca]

Great - a convicted criminal (Liddy) supports a vigilante. Didn't President Bush refer to these people as "vigilantes"? They should leave border protection up to the professionals. President Bush has a plan to deal with this immigration problem, I don't understand why Congress is dragging their feet and not implementing it. I don't know all the details of it, but from what I've read it offers amesty to the estimated 12 million criminals currently in this country. That sounds like a good plan to me.

Sarcasm?

I hope. PLEASE tell me you're joking about amnesty for 12 million illegals being "good."

 

[Merkin.Muffley]

Sarcasm?

I hope. PLEASE tell me you're joking about amnesty for 12 million illegals being "good."

No. Think of the cost savings - we won't have law enforcement chasing them around and putting in that revolving door we call a border. My guess is 8 million of them will get to vote - and they're likely to vote for the party that gave them amesty, keeping freedom loving Republicans in office longer. The big win is that President Bush will undoubtedly be immortalized on a Mexican postage stamp - assuing his place in history. I get goose bumps just thinking about it.

 

[Terrierman]

Damn Straight Merkin. Merkin for President.

 

[Kodiaz]

I don't know about you fellows but the next time the Atf has one of their BBQ's I plan on being a surprise guest. If there is another one of those standoffs I'm hopping in my car and going.

 

[Art Eatman]

M.M, if you're not just being sarcastic, and are serious about "vigilante", you need to read up on the actual actions of Simcox' group. They merely observe. They take no action. They report what they see to the proper authorities, in this case the Border Patrol.

How is that different in behavior from little old ladies doing the Neighborhood Watch thing?

Now, separately: I'll stipulate for the moment that the Minutemen are all KKK and Aryan Brotherhood. Okay. If they see a bank robbery being perpetrated by some ethnic minority, in progress, and report it, should the report be ignored because of the source of the report?

Does the racism of the observer of a crime mean that his report should not be heeded? Does a person's racism mean he cannot ever tell the truth, cannot be at all trusted as to observed fact?

If a person known to be free of any taint of racism ignores a crime, is he then better for it? Are we better off because he ignored a crime?

IOW, a little objective thought seems to be in order...

, Art

 

[Merkin.Muffley]

M.M, if you're not just being sarcastic, and are serious about "vigilante", you need to read up on the actual actions of Simcox' group. They merely observe. They take no action. They report what they see to the proper authorities, in this case the Border Patrol.

Art - I didn't call them "vigilantes". Our President, that guy who is trying to get his picture on a Mexican stamp did that. Others might have called them that too, but I heard it from President Bush first.

 

[Jim Diver]

Great - a convicted criminal (Liddy) supports a vigilante. Didn't President Bush refer to these people as "vigilantes"? They should leave border protection up to the professionals. President Bush has a plan to deal with this immigration problem, I don't understand why Congress is dragging their feet and not implementing it. I don't know all the details of it, but from what I've read it offers amesty [SIC] to the estimated 12 million criminals currently in this country. That sounds like a good plan to me.

Congress has passed 7 amnesties for illegal aliens, starting in 1986. All of them spurred a surge in illegal crossings. Not one reduced illegal immigration.

Amnesty does not cure the problem of the illegals (now legal) working for sub standard wages depressing the market for legal workers even further. In Calif, there are many legal residents and citizens who would love to work in the construction trade. Because employers want to cut costs and max profits, they hire illegals and those willing to work off the books. As a result, many citizens can't work cause the wage is not enough to live on.

Amnesty looks less and less like a good idea when you realize that 20%-25% of Mexico's citizenry lives in the US!! Close to a quarter of the mexican citizens don't even live there! They live here!

Amnesty will not curb illegal immigration. The only way to do that is to come down hard on employers of illegals, put armed troops on the border, and start rounding up illegals found in the US.

Amnesty is a joke.... Want to know why congress is dragging it's feet on the issue? Simple. The american people do not support amnesty.

 

[cosine]

My guess is 8 million of them will get to vote - and they're likely to vote for the party that gave them amesty, keeping freedom loving Republicans in office longer.

Better make that flame suit extra thick. Many people here don't consider the Republicans a freedom loving party.

 

[rick_reno]

Better make that flame suit extra thick. Many people here don't consider the Republicans a freedom loving party.

They're better than the alternative, and if you don't remember what that is let me throw out a couple of names - Bill Clinton and Butch Reno.

 

[longeyes]

Damn Straight Merkin. Merkin for President.

You're too late. Merkin has already held the office. In Doctor Strangelove.

Merkin is a word everyone should add to his vocabulary.

 

[longeyes]

We're just having a run of bad emperors, that's all. Once we get Caligula out of the way, it's relatively smooth sailing for a while with Claudius. Buck up!

 

[Kodiaz]

The way Bush has bonered his time as pres. barring some miracle the next pres. will be Hillary.

 

[Terrierman]

You're too late. Merkin has already held the office. In Doctor Strangelove.

Yes, I know, but that was George Herbert Merkel Merkin SENIOR. It's time for Merkel M. Merkin Junior. I should have been clearer.

 

[Otherguy Overby]

Yes, I know, but that was George Herbert Merkel Merkin SENIOR. It's time for Merkel M. Merkin Junior. I should have been clearer.

Merkin??? You sure you got the meaning right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merkin

Just what does one hide behind a merkin?

 

[#shooter]

Can you believe it?

I just heard some interviews on NPR about how the farmers/landowners have set up a system to warn each other where border patrol is to aid in illegal crossings and to hide illegals from Immigration. Some farmers said they take tractors and such and make new roads to circumvent the trails that the border patrol monitor. Unbelievable.

 

[crazed_ss]

I just heard some interviews on NPR about how the farmers/landowners have set up a system to warn each other where border patrol is to aid in illegal crossings and to hide illegals from Immigration. Some farmers said they take tractors and such and make new roads to circumvent the trails that the border patrol monitor. Unbelievable.

Why is it unbelievable? Who else is gonna work their land? Without illegal labor, they'd be in the poorhouse. It makes perfect sense.

 

[Norton]

The Minutemen Project, a Conservative anti-immigration group with strong links to, and overlapping membership with, violent white supremacist and neo-Nazi organizations has announced plans to hold a recruitment meeting in Valley Forge, PA on Saturday, February 25, 2005.


Minutemen have openly discussed setting up sniper posts near the border, with the goal of shooting anyone attempting to cross.

Contrary to its claims, the Minutemen Project does not promote a policy of immigration reform. Instead, they promote a program of hate and intolerance; an extremist policy of stopping all non-white immigration into this country. They are a xenophobic group that blames immigration for everything that they are unhappy with. Last fall, the Minutemen were claiming that illegal immigrants were responsible for the sudden rise in gas prices in the United States.

The Minutemen have well-established ties to known white supremacist groups. Minutemen co-founder Jim Gilchrist has been involved with the neo-Nazi affiliated Council of Conservative Citizens for a number of years. In addition, members of the infamous National Alliance have claimed membership in the Minutemen Project and were identified participating in border "patrols" last spring and summer with the group. Over the years, the National Alliance has been tied to numerous violent crimes, such as the assassination of a Jewish radio host in Denver, and several high-profile robberies. The National Alliance has the dubious distinction of claiming Timothy McVeigh – the man responsible for the Oklahoma City bombing – as a supporter.

On July 30th 2005, the Minutemen front group, Save Our State, held an anti-immigrant rally in California. Numerous members of white supremacist groups attended this rally, and were caught on film carrying flags emblazoned with Nazi swastikas and Confederate insignia. They were also seen repeatedly giving Nazi salutes. One of the neo-Nazis who had been holding a swastika flag was also photographed holding a "Save Our State" banner. So much for plausible deniability!

Ayn Rand could not have had Ellsworth Toohey do a better hatchet job than this.

I love the leaps of association. Gilchrest belongs to a "neo-Nazi" conservative group (because conservatives are naturally Nazis ), a lot of neo-Nazis belong to the National Alliance, the National Alliance "claims" McVeigh. Therefore......

Gilchrest wants to bomb buildings....... :banghead: