Carry choices, such a hard decision

[Kleanbore]

https://www.glocktalk.com/threads/three-men-rob-the-right-uber-driver-in-philadelphia.1918854/

That's scary!

From the toolset standpoint--that of of selecting an effective defensive weapon, the victim did well. In a sound version of the video, I think I counted thirteen shots. That's more than I carry.

Skillset? He fired sufficiently rapidly and scored effective hits.

Not to second guess the defender, but it occurs to me that, had he moved a little more quickly in going from car to house, and kept up his awareness, up, he might have been able to avoid the attack. We can learn from that one.

I agree that he should not have chased the attackers. I also wonder about his seeming to shoot as they fled, but I cannot see enough to comment.

Was it a carjacking attempt? Were the perps targeting Asians on purpose?

That was a close one.

 

[Old Dog]

https://www.glocktalk.com/threads/three-men-rob-the-right-uber-driver-in-philadelphia.1918854/

Yeah, not sure where member roscoe lives, but we have had many, many incidents with two or three armed carjackers, robbers and home invaders up here in the PNW over the past few years. Now, for sure, in some of the situations with multiple assailants, there have been some where only one of the perpetrators actually had a firearm, but really, I'm not sure why some here want to portray what's reality for many Americans as being safer than it actually is...

 

[Zerodefect]

I believe it was an attempted car jacking.

Not sure if the chasing counts since he was defending his own home, with innocents inside. Could make a very weak argument that he was running away from the guy in the car, although we know it's really just target fixation.

 

[Kleanbore]

I expect that in the future, the victim will be more observant when entering his driveway and getting out of his car, that he will move from the car with a greater sense of urgency, and that he will take care to ensure quick access to his gun.

I will, anyway!

All of that is more important than what one chooses to carry.

Whew!

 

[Bazoo]

So, is a 6 shot revolver enough for a 3-4 bad guy world?

One of my considerations is stopping power. I don’t have any faith in 9mm. I have faith in 45 auto and 357 magnum. Part of that is because I reload and actually see and compare the bullets used in each. 9mm is a small bullet.

I’ve captured HPs in water from various calibers. A 45 will expand out nearly the size of a quarter. It may not expand in self defense, but it gives me some peace of mind.

 

[Kleanbore]

So, is a 6 shot revolver enough for a 3-4 bad guy world?

It may serve well--or it may not. The Uber driver needed more. The answer is learned during the event.

Old Dog is happy with his 6 shot Colt. Perhaps he will comment here.

I carry an 8 shot pistol. The Uber incident will not cause me to strap on my 12 shot Ruger. I may regret that.

Do not labor under the misconception that guns that kick harder or make more racket, or that seem to strike steel plates with more authority, or that strike water jugs more impressively will do better in SD. Penetration and shot placement that destroy the right internal body parts--and that is a largely a matter of luck, which is increased by a larger number of hits--are the keys. As Jeff White says, any service caliber (.38 Special and up), used properly, will do.

Now, if the recoil of the gun leads to slow the rate of controlled fire, the extra oomph can actually reduce defensive effectiveness.

That's why I moved from a .45 tp a 9mm, and it is why the 9 is replacing the .40.

It is one reason why I have .38 Special loads in my revolver, rather than .357 Magnum. The other important reason for that is sound pressure.

I hope you find this helpful.

 

[Zerodefect]

So, is a 6 shot revolver enough for a 3-4 bad guy world?

One of my considerations is stopping power. I don’t have any faith in 9mm. I have faith in 45 auto and 357 magnum. Part of that is because I reload and actually see and compare the bullets used in each. 9mm is a small bullet.

I’ve captured HPs in water from various calibers. A 45 will expand out nearly the size of a quarter. It may not expand in self defense, but it gives me some peace of mind.

Don't blame you. I know a handful of retired cops/detectives that swear by the .45. And a coroner that agrees. That's good enough for me.

I carry .38, 9mm, .40, and .45. Each has it's niche. 9mm is fine, but if you can do better, do so.

Those guys snuck up on him quick. I'd feel terrible with just my J-frame in that scenario.

 

[Jeff White]

So, is a 6 shot revolver enough for a 3-4 bad guy world?

When I started in LE I was issued a Model 65 and 18 rounds of .357 jacketed hollow point ammunition. I added a Colt Agent as a BUG. I never worried that I wasn't adequately armed for any situation I might encounter. Your tactics need to be based on what you have. Back in the day when dinosaurs walked the earth and revolvers were the personal protective weapon of choice there were encounters with multiple assailants and the good guys won most of them. Software wins fights. Become unconsciously competent with whatever you choose to carry, study defensive encounters and do force on force training with a good simulator of your carry weapon. You will soon learn the capabilities and limitations of your choice and you will learn how to fight with it.

If I were still working and I had to pick someone to back me up on a hot call and my choices were the guy with the revolver who had been using in for decades and it was an extension of his body or the rookie with the latest Glock and 3 spare mags, I'd pick the veteran with the revolver.......Every time. The veteran officer's skill, training and experience trumps the extra ammunition the rookie officer has every time.

 

[Kleanbore]

Become unconsciously competent with whatever you choose to carry, study defensive encounters and do force on force training with a good simulator of your carry weapon.

That is far more important than the model of firearm that you strap on.