CCL/CCW Holder who actually carry.

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I applied for a Washington state permit while in the Navy when I turned 21 and back then it taken 90+ days to get it so this September It will be 35 years and it is still current. I now live in Idaho and have an Idaho permit as well and I pretty much have carried a firearm of some kind where legal this whole time.

I started with a 4 in Colt Trooper with an AMT 380 backup then 1911, S&W 659 and now a Glock 19 and Ruger LCP 380. The LCP 380 is with me all the time and the 19 if the clothes I where will allow.

I do agree that I have known many folks who have gotten their permits and might even renew it once then let it lapse. Idaho is an open carry state and many just carry this way or just keep a firearm in their car just in case. This is allowed as long as you fallow certain guide line if pulled over.

I do not sleep with one but have one equipped with a flashlight on my head board.

I do not swim with one on purpose but have when fallowing out of my buds boat so I have done it.

And when I cannot carry a firearm legally I do also carry a Kershaw 1670RD spring assist folder, Leatherman Core and a surefire flashlight that all could be used as a tool if needed.
 
Until truly pocketable pistols like the LCP,TCP ect come out I'd say fewer than 10%. Hardly anyone wants to lug around something like a 26 or J frame all day long everyday. My brother is a fine example he's owned every quality pistol you can have, had his permit for ever how many years it's been legal in WV. He didn't carry on his person until the LCP come out, he's since started carrying a bodyguard 380. Before that you found a 357 smith in the cubby hole of his ATV, a 5906 in his truck, a stainless rossi 38 on the tractor, cheap taurus in his tackle box...ect
Now all those are still in place but in his front pocket you'll always find the 380.

I still know lots of folks that just keep something in the vehicle but never actually carry.
 
Before that you found a 357 smith in the cubby hole of his ATV, a 5906 in his truck, a stainless rossi 38 on the tractor, cheap taurus in his tackle box...ect
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The Luby's rampage that started the TX CHL movement would not have been stopped by a gun in the truck, tractor, atv or tackle box.

I seem not to remember many tractor driver assaults.

I guess I'm too much into to it understand such.
 
Mine is on me every day, from the time I get up until I call it a day 16-18 hours later.
I know at least four people who have taken and passed the required 8 hour course, but won't follow through with the final application process. All of them are proficient with a hand gun. Two of those told me it's because they found out permit holders are held to a higher standard if they break a law, such as zero tolerance for alchohol if carrying.
Pretty lame, in my opinion.
 
If only I could carry everywhere. I carry daily except for school (where it's a policy violation, not a criminal offense, IF you get caught).
 
Resto Guy said:
Two of those told me it's because they found out permit holders are held to a higher standard if they break a law, such as zero tolerance for alchohol if carrying.
Pretty lame, in my opinion.
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Good perspective, though. Personally? I realized last year when Illinois finally was forced to allow concealed carry that they would be really hard on CCL holders the first couple years until everyone figured out the rules and how to enforce them.

I quit drinking alcohol completely so I could not be grabbed on carrying while having a blood alcohol level above zero and dropped 30 pounds to accommodate carrying appendix inside my waistband.

So, my views and discipline in the matter of my rights to carry are extreme and not "mainstream" by any means. And I appreciate perspective from folks who are not me and see things differently. It was kinda hard for me to understand that some folks are not as adamant about it as I am - Very hard for me to understand that some don't carry because it is cumbersome or uncomfortable or they'd have to make some life changes like what they wear, what they eat/drink, where they go, etc. To me these are simple discipline changes and easy. To others they are life altering dilemmas.

This thread has been really good for me. :) I see more now.

VooDoo
 
I leave my gun in the car at church, or wherever there are laws or regulations that prohibit it (hospitals, schools, etc.). Other than that, its a part of getting dressed.

I have been retired for several years. I worked for 36 before that. I can remember only a very few times when I needed a gun in my hand, but in those instances, I really needed it. I have learned to never be without it. Most of the instances where I had it in my hand were situations where I would never have predicted that it would be needed.

I hope I can live the rest of my life with never having shot anything more than a piece of paper. I've made it this far. Remember, the old Air Force ads? "The price of peace is eternal vigilance." Be always vigilant.
 
Of all the CPL holders I know personally, there is only one that I know doesn't routinely carry and it's a woman. Everyone else carries like me-everywhere and every time it's allowed. I'd be surprised if 10% of CPL holders don't actually carry.
 
I'll cast my lot with the "have a license but don't carry" crowd.

I made my CCW 15 years ago and have transferred it through three different states over the years. In all of that time, I never even owned a handgun let alone carry. It was only this past November that I bought my first handgun, a PX4 Storm Compact. I've since added 4 others.

My wife and I aren't permitted to carry weapons at work. Neither can we leave them in the car while on the premises. Since this comprises 90% or better of the time we're away from home, there's no opportunity to carry concealed.

But that's being disingenuous. The real reason why I have never carried because I don't feel insecure enough to. I'm not making sweeping statements about those that do carry, mind you, it's just that I don't have the mindset to feel the need.

When I weigh the statistics, I come to the conclusion that the gun is much more likely to be discharged accidentally than for self defense. I'm also concerned about forgetting that I'm packing when I walk into the post office or hiking on local Corps of Engineers property where it is absolutely forbidden. I'd rather not risk a felony and my right to own firearms forever because of a momentary lapse of memory.

Fortunately, I live in a rural area where I'm allowed to be more relaxed in my day to day routine. I might reconsider should circumstances be different.
 
I'll admit I'm pretty lax about carrying and just a SWAG I'd say at least 1/2 the people I know with a license don't carry regularly. But I live a pretty sedate lifestyle in a low crime area and I am never "look like the best target" in a crowd of more than two people.
 
When I weigh the statistics, I come to the conclusion that the gun is much more likely to be discharged accidentally than for self defense.
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Well, if you don't trust yourself to follow the four rules nor trust your equipment (handgun itself, holster/belt combination), I don't understand what you are saying here ... Guns don't discharge on their own. It takes the human factor to operate, obviously ...

The real reason why I have never carried because I don't feel insecure enough to.
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Most of us do not carry a firearms because we feel "insecure enough."
 
TheNoob said:
The real reason why I have never carried because I don't feel insecure enough to. I'm not making sweeping statements about those that do carry, mind you, it's just that I don't have the mindset to feel the need.
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I think that I understand what you mean.

I sincerely hope that if/when you change your mind it is the result of something(s) that you read rather than the result of a bad personal experience.
 
It is a hugely personal thing, carrying a loaded weapon. The responsibility is huge and I am often a bit put off by the magnitude of the possibilities.

Accidents can happen...do happen. Mistakes are made and no one is invulnerable to the possibility of screwing up with a handgun. One can train and set his mind and reduce the possibility to a probability of very near zero but the chance, the possibility, always exists.

I have accepted the risk as too low to prevent me from assuming it. I have trained and will continue to train seriously and deeply until the safest handling rules are bone deep. I deeply respect others who do not see or feel that the possible need for one is outdone by the risk of doing something one will regret with it. Accidently or on purpose. It is an intensely personal decision and I cannot fault someone who feels that they cannot accept the responsibility willingly and so they do not carry.

I can accept the responsibility but can see that others would not. I'm good with it.

VooDoo
 
I, otoh, do not train as most here seem to define that term. I shoot my carry pistols perodically, but do nothing special in the way of physical training.

O'course safe handling rules have been "bone deep" in me for a very long time and I have always managed to maintain serious respect (leavened with the tiniest bit of fear) for these potentially deadly machines that I have been carrying for decades.
 
This is pretty much my daily attire Monday through Saturday:

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And on Sunday, under my right elbow:

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Incidentally, new holster from Graveyard Jack's.

As far as experience, I have carried daily/socially for about fifteen years. For outdoors use, just over sixty years. no accidents, no close calls.


Bob Wright
 
I am a physician. I go to my office daily, and to the hospital intermittently. I cannot legallly carry in any of those places. I attend church on Sunday but can't legally carry there, either. I like to go out to eat, but can't carry at any place that serves alcohol. In short, I have to really think proactively in order to come up with legal-carry situations in my state, so I do not carry most of the time. Some of these restrictions are about to change here so I am looking forward to carrying more often.
 
In some states (like MI), having a concealed pistol license means you do not need to go into your local LEO office and get a permit to purchase for private sales. It also makes carrying in your vehicle less of a hassle. A loaded pistol inside a vehicle, even if taped to your forehead in plain sight, is considered concealed. Without the CPL you'd have to unload and stow it in the trunk/cargo area.

That being said, I doubt very many people carry religiously everywhere, everyday. This is most likely due to restrictions on where you can carry, and taking into consideration that where you're headed might be legally ok to carry, but socially unacceptable. I work at a hospital so most days I cannot carry, plus it's hard to conceal a pistol wearing scrubs; however on weekends or when I'm off, I have my pistol with me always.

If you have the ability to carry all the time, do so. October last year a couple of students leaving a Pat Rogers class were shot and severely injured during a robbery when they stopped at a 7-11. They had left their pistols in the car....

"The car is not a holster. Carry your ****ing gun. All of the ****ing time..."
 
sakata8242 said:
In some states (like MI), having a concealed pistol license means you do not need to go into your local LEO office and get a permit to purchase for private sales. It also makes carrying in your vehicle less of a hassle. A loaded pistol inside a vehicle, even if taped to your forehead in plain sight, is considered concealed. Without the CPL you'd have to unload and stow it in the trunk/cargo area.

That being said, I doubt very many people carry religiously everywhere, everyday. This is most likely due to restrictions on where you can carry, and taking into consideration that where you're headed might be legally ok to carry, but socially unacceptable. I work at a hospital so most days I cannot carry, plus it's hard to conceal a pistol wearing scrubs; however on weekends or when I'm off, I have my pistol with me always.

If you have the ability to carry all the time, do so. October last year a couple of students leaving a Pat Rogers class were shot and severely injured during a robbery when they stopped at a 7-11. They had left their pistols in the car....

"The car is not a holster. Carry your ****ing gun. All of the ****ing time..."
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I for sure do. My job doesn't care and I refuse to go anywhere that I'm not allowed to carry. The only exception is when I need to go inside the bank. I hate that I have to leave my gun in the car but the law is the law.

If I leave the house, I have a gun on me.
 
I can't imagine having the right and license to carry and not doing it. So my question is this: In THR Forumites opinion, why would someone get a permit and not carry?
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Seems to me having the right to vote and not doing it, is a bigger deal. Who knows why people do (or don't) what they do. Don't care, lazy, work in a "prohibited" workplace, inconvenient.
 
I for sure do. My job doesn't care and I refuse to go anywhere that I'm not allowed to carry. The only exception is when I need to go inside the bank. I hate that I have to leave my gun in the car but the law is the law.
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What states don't allow for concealed carry in banks? Just wondering.
 
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