MachIVshooter
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As of late, I sure have been seeing alot of claims that come across as anything from embellishment to ridiculous with regards to accuracy. Without actually calling anyone a liar here, I want to point out that in my entire life of being a rifle shooter who has some pretty nice rigs and handloads for everything, I have yet to persoanlly achieve or witness from others the kind of precision that many of these threads are marked with claims of.
Bottom line is, the overwhelming majority of production bolt guns from Remington, Savage, Tikka, Weatherby, Howa, etc. are seldom capable of doing much better than 1 MOA with most factory ammo or ~ .6-.7 with match or handloaded fodder. Same goes for AR's. Are there exceptions? sure. Does a rifle occasionally print an amazing group? You bet. I have a scoped Century G-3 that I once printed a .403" 100 yard group with. Does that make the rifle a .4 MOA unit? absolutely not. On average, it is about 1.2.
So please, folks, all I ask is that we not be fishermen and braggards here. Be realistic. If your rifle routinely prints .73" 100 yard 5-shot groups with a certain ammo, say so. But don't cite the one time it made a single ragged hole too small to put your pinky finger through. That single group should be discarded as readily as the one that was 1.8".
I really try to bite my tongue most of the time, except when it is truly absurd (thinking of a recent claim that a stock 20" DPMS was doing .15 MOA at 500 yards with off-the-shelf ammo). Most of us who've been doing this awhile can differentiate between the realistic claims and the fudged ones. My two best varmint rifles, fed with carefully handloaded ammunition that took hundredss of rounds to work up, both have consistent accuracy in the .65 MOA range at 200 yards. So when I see someone claiming that their bone stock Savage or Remington .308 shot .3 MOA at 300 with Factory ammo, you can see how that makes some of us very skeptical.
It's a free country, so if you still feel inclined to post things that experienced shooter will look at with anything ranging from scrutiny to downright disbelief, go ahead. But don't be offended when you get called out and asked for proof.
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Bottom line is, the overwhelming majority of production bolt guns from Remington, Savage, Tikka, Weatherby, Howa, etc. are seldom capable of doing much better than 1 MOA with most factory ammo or ~ .6-.7 with match or handloaded fodder. Same goes for AR's. Are there exceptions? sure. Does a rifle occasionally print an amazing group? You bet. I have a scoped Century G-3 that I once printed a .403" 100 yard group with. Does that make the rifle a .4 MOA unit? absolutely not. On average, it is about 1.2.
So please, folks, all I ask is that we not be fishermen and braggards here. Be realistic. If your rifle routinely prints .73" 100 yard 5-shot groups with a certain ammo, say so. But don't cite the one time it made a single ragged hole too small to put your pinky finger through. That single group should be discarded as readily as the one that was 1.8".
I really try to bite my tongue most of the time, except when it is truly absurd (thinking of a recent claim that a stock 20" DPMS was doing .15 MOA at 500 yards with off-the-shelf ammo). Most of us who've been doing this awhile can differentiate between the realistic claims and the fudged ones. My two best varmint rifles, fed with carefully handloaded ammunition that took hundredss of rounds to work up, both have consistent accuracy in the .65 MOA range at 200 yards. So when I see someone claiming that their bone stock Savage or Remington .308 shot .3 MOA at 300 with Factory ammo, you can see how that makes some of us very skeptical.
It's a free country, so if you still feel inclined to post things that experienced shooter will look at with anything ranging from scrutiny to downright disbelief, go ahead. But don't be offended when you get called out and asked for proof.
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