Cold dead fingers, Really?

[buck460XVR]

People talk about tyranny and the Government coming for their guns and the need to fight. But as of now the biggest threat to responsible gun ownership is not tyrants, or the government. It is your neighbor down the street, or your aunt Matilda living out west in Antigunifornia. They are the ones that help decide the elections and put those folks in power that can change the laws. Who is the single mom next door gonna trust when it comes time to vote? The nice guy from the Brady Campaign that spoke at the PTA meeting where they served those delicious toffee bars afterwards, or the ranting gun owner next door that claims he would rather have a shoot out in his front yard than give up his Hi-Cap magazines? Maybe if we took the time to educate and show her the advantages of having a armed neighbor next door as opposed to being a possible threat to her, she might vote our way. This is the war we can fight now. This is the fight we are now losing, because many refuse to believe it is even going on. They would rather boast about what they'll do later, when the time comes. Truth is, the time to do something is now, so we don't have to worry about later.

 

[stonecutter2]

No one knows how they will react when under pressure like that. Many might freeze up, no matter their preconceived reaction to the threat. Others might not.

Regardless of fantasy-laden visions of being a hero and refusing to give up your guns in a confiscation scenario, we are fortunate to be Americans. We don't need to actually face these situations, if we put our system to work in the way it's meant to. Let your voice be heard to your representatives.

Tell me this.

If the will of the people of America (by representation in Congress) be that certain limits are placed on rights we currently enjoy, and you refuse to acknowledge the will of the people...what does that make you?

I'll put it another way. What do you treasure more? Possessing guns, or being an American? I value being an American more. And man, I love guns and shooting. If the law changes as such that I must comply, I will comply. Because I believe in this country, through good times and bad. Even if my vote isn't the one that chooses the leader, or the law is shaped in a way that I didn't vote for, I accept it. It's the American way and I don't want it any other way, thank you very much.

 

[yokel]

"The majority, oppressing an individual, is guilty of a crime, abuses its strength, and by acting on the law of the strongest breaks up the foundations of society." --Thomas Jefferson to Pierre Samuel Dupont de Nemours, 1816


Don't forget that pure democracy is a form of collectivism -- it readily sacrifices individual rights to majority wishes. Since it involves no Constitutional Bill of Rights, or at least, no working and effective one, the majority-of-the-moment can and does vote away the rights of the minority-of-the-moment, even of a single individual. This has been called 'mob rule,' the 'tyranny of the majority' and many other pejorative names. It is one of the greatest threats to liberty, the reason why America's Founding Fathers wrote so much so disparagingly of pure democracy.

Collectivism demands that the group be more important than the individual. It requires the individual to sacrifice himself for the alleged good of the group.

It sounds humane because it stresses the importance of human needs. In reality, it is little more than a rationalization for sacrificing you and me to the desires of others.

 

[jimbo555]

I watched the recent hearings in the senate and the votes are not there for the awb or magazine restrictions. The law expert on the panel said that the recent supreme court decisions meant that they could'nt ban a class of weapons or attachments commonly used legally by Americans.They may get the background checks through congress.Write or contact your representatives.Thats the best way to fight this.

 

[76shuvlinoff]

Fight at the ballot box and sometimes you have to vote with your feet. When that fails I guess the question is would you fire on representatives of the US government?

Would you return fire?

 

[meanmrmustard]

Fight at the ballot box and sometimes you have to vote with your feet. When that fails I guess the question is would you fire on representatives of the US government?

Would you return fire?

Yes. As much as I don't want to, yes. Not for guns, but for my children's freedom.

 

[Sam1911]

I don't think it is worthwhile to even ask. Obviously under some conditions most of us would. Under other conditions, none of us would. None of us (except true psychopaths!) can do more but idly speculate.

But the question remains -- if you think you would shoot, and die, will you give the days of your life you're living right now to fight the winnable fight before us today? How much will you sacrifice NOW so you and others don't have to decide whether to die or submit someday?

It is a whole lot easier to promise to die in a hail of bullets someday than to sell your ARs for luscious panic prices and give the money to SAF or NRA-ILA today. Or to take off work and go sit in your legislators' offices day after day. Or to spend your nights and weekends volunteering for your state associations or the national ones. Etc.

If you aren't doing ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING you could possibly do (to the very point of pain and sacrifice) to fight this fight now, don't come here and claim you'd die for RKBA "someday."

 

[btg3]

I'd say the best advice would be to hide any affected weapons.

Seems very few, if any, are currently willing to hide, rather than register, NFA items. Good advice, you say?

 

[meanmrmustard]

I can't take off: gotta work to pay the bills.

I'm not selling my guns, what will I fight with?

I'm an NRA member, avid shooter, and an advocate and voice at any time I can to spread "our" word. I'm doing what I can, not what I'd like.

Yet, I say again, I'd die for freedom, not guns. For my kids.

 

[zxcvbob]

Fight at the ballot box and sometimes you have to vote with your feet. When that fails I guess the question is would you fire on representatives of the US government?

Would you return fire?

Yes, without hesitation if they are shooting at me. I would not fire first except in very extreme circumstances.

I shared an office with a guy who fought in Vietnam. He said when he first got there he didn't know if he'd be able to shoot at another person; said it turned out to be real easy when they were shooting at him.

I just sent emails to my MN representative and senator a few minutes ago to try to help prevent that. Not sure if it'll do any good to write the governor, but that's next on my list. I've already made a pest of myself writing my US senators and rep.

 

[btg3]

Not for guns, but for my children's freedom.

^^^This.

 

[Leanwolf]

JIMBO 555- "For me it's not tyranny if it's a law passed by congress. An executive order is something different. "

Should such laws be passed, and one day John Doe stands out on his front lawn and guns down a cop or two, or a couple of "blue helmets," or a Marine or two before he is made to look like a piece of bloody tripe, the politicians who passed the law will be sitting back in D.C. all nice and cozy, laughing their heads off about it, while swilling champagne and eating pate de fois gras and vichyssoise, at the taxpayers' expense.

L.W.

 

[larryh1108]

Do you want to see a mass revolt of the people? One that rocks the nation?

Pass laws that outlaw all cell phones, Blackberries, iPads, Twitter, Facebook and every other electronic media and device out there and say it a way to allow people to share national secrets and to plan terrorsit actions. Then tax using the internet $100 a month per user because of our national debt from fighting terrorism.

Do you think Americans would bend over and accept that? One right is just as important as the others but the antis need to see how it can be twisted to favor political agendas. Take away our guns but don't take away our electronic media! Yeah, right. Hit them where it hurts and see how they revolt. We can label them assault media and call those dependant on them Twitter Nuts or electronic radicals.

 

[meanmrmustard]

Should such laws be passed, and one day John Doe stands out on his front lawn and guns down a cop or two, or a couple of "blue helmets," or a Marine or two before he is made to look like a piece of bloody tripe, the politicians who passed the law will be sitting back in D.C. all nice and cozy, laughing their heads off about it, while swilling champagne and eating pate de fois gras and vichyssoise, at the taxpayers' expense.

L.W.

What's your point?

Odds are it won't be an isolated incident.

So, start that champagne fountain, or start readying your statements for the fire fights between government and/or military and law abiding, tax paying citizens.

 

[BHP FAN]

Sam's right ... we need to fight now, at the ballot box so we won't have to fight later, using the bullet box. Join the NRA. If each and every shooter did, there would be no questions about our gun rights. If you shoot, join. If you don't ... I really don't think you should complain.

 

[Sam1911]

[Mod Talk: Guns, shooting, RKBA, self defense, [strike]social security[/strike], hunting, non-firearm weapons]

 

[thorazine]

So if SHTF and if we are fighting amongst each other... north korea or china decides to take advantage of the ensuing chaos and invade muahaha!!

 

[clutch]

The majority of my years are behind me, the ones ahead are uncertain, I'd rather die a free man.

As pointed out, one won't know until we get there and I hope we don't.

Clutch

 

[tomrkba]

The time to fight is NOW. Give up a day at work and go see your representatives. Write, call, fax, email constantly. Organize your friends, family, and neighbors. All that stuff is a pain, sure, but it is a whole lot less of a pain than fighting later...

I agree with this.

It is already too late if there is a SWAT team at your door. The best you can hope for is to be arrested without anyone in the house being shot. You may get a round or two off, but don't count on it. They train daily for this sort of thing and you have to do actual work everyday.

 

[Steel Horse Rider]

I went to a town hall meeting with two State Representatives and a State Senator at ten o'clock this morning. They are all Republicans and good God fearing people, but here in Colorado the Democrats have control of both houses and the governorship so there is little they can do. For those of you who have been sleeping Colorado legalized pot last election and now the legislature is wresting with how to implement the "voters wishes" because it is still illegal at the federal level to grow and consume pot. We were told at the meeting that the majority party has been assured by those at the federal level that there will be no prosecutions. I asked if that precedent can be used as a basis to override any federal gun laws that come down the pike in the future. They didn't think the feds would look at it that way. i was told after the meeting that many of the Democrat members of the legislature did not like any of the proposed restrictions of gun ownership that are currently being discussed but that they would be unlikely to go public with their opposition. I would hope that those of this group who profess to be Democrats would use that as a tool to pressure those of their party who are afraid to buck the progressive leadership of their party to actually stand up for the principles of 1776.

Tom: Don't think too highly of the ability of those sent to disarm you . I have two nephews in Special Forces who have plenty of respect for an individual who believes he is right and is willing to give his life for it. What is life worth if you are willing to barter your liberty for existence. If those before you believed that you would probably be living in a government owned dormitory and working at a government designated job.

 

[sgtstryker]

I get your point, Sam. Now is when all law abiding gun owners should be, daily, contacting the elected officials in their state and federal posts. The only thing they fear is not being re-elected. Period. Let them know you are paying attention to what is going on and that you do vote. And, we all have a right to an opinion as to how we would handle a confiscation scenario, but, I truly believe that the personal decision on how we act at that moment can't be made until it arrives.

 

[jmorris]

No lots of people walked into "showers" after being removed from their houses. And loaded onto train cars like cattle. Some stood up and died along the way.

 

[EBK]

People are not clearing shelves of all gun stores to turn the stuff in.

I promise you that.

 

[mugsie]

I read the initial post and it so inflamed me that without reading the rest I had to post. History has a way of repeating itself. All nations that started off by registering guns ultimately ended up with dictators and enslaving their people. I know you've heard it all already.

In WWII, 13 Jews in the Warsaw ghetto held off the Germans for over a month. If all Jews would have resisted, and they didn't because they didn't know what was happening or believed their government, the Germans would have never risen to the power they did. It would have been impossible to maintain a war on several fronts and fight the resistance inside at every turn.

The other day I watched videos of the national guard during Katrina arresting homeowners and confiscating their weapons, leaving their property completely defenseless. The confiscating was subsequently deemed illegal, yet they did it. One NGO member even told the reported "it will be tough shooting fellow Americans but I'll do it if they won't give up their guns".

I believe in what our founders established. I believe they were right to fear the government. They knew an armed populace spells freedom. I served in Vietnam Nam, I was in hand to hand when my A-site was overrun. I for one would stand with those 13 Jews and resist a government trying to destroy our constitution and take away our freedoms. Yes, I may lose everything, including my life, but I would be prepared to fight for what I believe in and for what is right.

 

[huntsman]

you will probably be killed over food, water, a way to heat your home, or another individual wanting your weapons. Long before a "tyranny" is imposed, there will be mass chaos and our way of life in America as we know it now will be a distant memory.

^THIS

nobody going to take them flashy black-rifles and cases of ammo instead they'll willfully be handed over for scraps of food when the babies start crying.

Everybody is a patriot everybody fancies themselves Alvin York or Addie Murphy in battle but those men were more than warriors they were tough mountain men and substance farmers, when the battle is for food and the weapon is hunger how equipped are you?

We've lost 2nd amend freedoms but what bothers me more is how many are so willing to sit back and let .gov take care of them and control their lives, it's really no wonder we're at this place now.