Compassion run amok - Bush's immigration policy

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MB, this daggoned country is already overcrowded. You might be happy with the density of Hong Kong or suchlike, but I'm not.

Next, there is a net cost to the taxpayer when immigrants do not possess those skills which allow earning wages above the minimum. That's a large part of the cause of California's budget deficit. It's also hurting the Arizona budget. And this has zilch, zip, nada to do with any sort of safety-net welfare; it has to do with the real costs these people create: Crime, medical, welfare in general.

We're not talking small numbers, either. We're talking millions per year coming over the border, with things as they now are in the realm of enforcement efforts. With existing successful illegal immigrants now far beyond those numbers which can readily assimilate into our culture, why would we want to open our borders to any body who wants to come here?

What country could survive with an increase of three to five percent per year population increase, and of non-acculturated people? Life here in the U.S. nowadays isn't as much fun as it was a hundred million people ago...

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Well, a 100 round box of Winchester 9mm is around 11 dollars. Two shots per each illegal, 11 dollars for 50 illegals. Do the math.

HBK: Good ideal, but that's still a lot of bullets. .22lr's are cheaper...:evil:

MicroBalrog: Considering the problems that Israel seems to be having w/ its own Islamic "immigrants", I'd be skeptical of using your version of immigration laws. :rolleyes:

George W. Bush: You have FAILED in providing for the security of the United States. You have repeatedly pushed to allow illegal aliens to be rewarded for flaunting immigration laws. You have harassed American citizens at airports and train terminals while leaving the southern border unmonitored. Your federal agencies have actively campaigned against American citizens protecting themselves from illegal aliens who infest & destroy said citizens' properties and person (i.e. Ranch Rescue). And you have promised to CONTINUE to do so when re-elected.

If you take your oath to "protect and defend" this nation, you will place military units on the border to intercept and repulse this illegal invasion. Anything short of that is worthless. Until then, you no longer have my vote or my support.

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"I lived in the city since I was born, do not feel "suffocated" at all."
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Uh, Micro, you may already have been suffocated by urban ideology.:D


Art, true indeed:
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"What country could survive with an increase of three to five percent per year population increase, and of non-acculturated people? Life here in the U.S. nowadays isn't as much fun as it was a hundred million people ago..."
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The quality of life and the excercise of freedom do not depend upon how many humans can be packed into a space. Population density does confer dignity or liberty.

Rather, it's the willingness of those humans to participate in making a contribution to the quality of life and supporting the freedom of their new nation by LEGALLY immigrating. Illegal immigration is the act of a criminal.
 
Where do you get your numbers? I do believe you are mistaken…

That's what they told me when I wanted to apply.

Considering the problems that Israel seems to be having w/ its own Islamic "immigrants", I'd be skeptical of using your version of immigration laws

Seeker_Two, we have little problems with Islamic citizens of Israel - the problem is with the Palestinians.
 
And some of us get sick of people who keep saying the Government can do nothing when, frankly, IT IS THEIR JOB TO DO SOMETHING.
I don’t disagree that the gov’t has a responsibility to act, and indeed they are. You are just unwilling to admit it because those actions are not what you wish would happen.

All that is required is the political will. We are trying to interdict border crossings elsewhere in the world but for some reason we can't protect our own.
There are difficulties to what you ask that are unique to America and our way of life that do not have real solutions. Moreover, it is extremely disingenuous to imply that we are not trying to “interdict border crossers†here in America. Every year hundreds of thousands of “border crossers†are interdicted and either arrested and punished or returned to their country. When people are willing to travel thousands of miles to get to the American border and then pay thousands of dollars to be smuggled into America you have a situation unlike any other border in the world.

The Government can also take some steps to control public benefits to illegal aliens and enforce existing laws against employers hiring illegals.
As you know I very much agree with you on this point. However, I think you are looking to the wrong gov’t to do this. Your new governor there in CA has moved in the right direction in one small area and you should pressure him to keep going.

Are you arguing for vigilantes or a ten million person march on D.C.?
In that I am “arguing†for anything, it is for you (collectively speaking) to approach this issue properly. The federal government is not the first solution to a problem it is the last one. One must always begin trying to solve an issue first without any gov’t help, then down the road if the problem requires, the smallest and most local gov’t possible. For instance, the three main border states shell out billions of dollars in hospital care and education for illegal aliens. Should the federal gov’t eliminate that? No, its not the federal gov’ts money, California should take care of California.
 
MicroBalrog,

That's what they told me when I wanted to apply.
I don’t keep up with the numbers but I believe that you might be thinking of one particular type of immigration visa. Yes we have quotas but we have different amounts that we allow in for different types of visas. For instance, if you were trying to immigrate as professional worker with a degree (a numerically limited visa) and that limit had been reached, someone else attempting to immigrate as say a professional with an advanced degree (also a numerically limited visa) might still be able to immigrate. Under the Immigration Act of 1990 immigration is capped at 700,000 people per year and certain types of immigrants (refugees for examples) don't even fall under that cap.
 
Seeker_Two, we have little problems with Islamic citizens of Israel - the problem is with the Palestinians.


And are the Palestinians legal immigrants? I didn't think so...:p

Your illegals blow themselves up in public. Ours suck community resources dry & violate our laws. Both groups are an equal threat to our countries. And they should be ousted ASAP...:fire:
 
Fiscal suicide bombers.

Perhaps the "mystery" of Bush's immigration policies can be traced to the fact that brother Jeb's wife was born in Mexico. Does it get any simpler than that?
 
There have some good points made on this topic. I would like to make a couple more.

Illegal aliens are criminals...........period. So long as an illegal is on US soil & not in custody,he/she is committing a crime. Yes.....I do believe that illegal entery to the US is a crime.

If they are working under the table then it's tax evasion. (a crime) If they are working above board & paying taxes then they lied on the federal form they had to fill out concerning the right to work in the US.....OR the employer is in violation of the law. Entering false info on that form is also a crime.

If someone wants to immigrate to the US,a good place to start would be to have some respect for our laws.

The feds need to hammer the hell out of employers who hire illegals. The fines should be astronomical and/or company officials should face criminal charges in federal court.

No unlawful immigrant should get any kind of public assistance whatsoever. If there's kids involved...........they should be deported with the adults.

Strict & aggressive enforcement of what's contained in the last 2 paragraphs will go a long way to solving this problem. If they cant get welfare & can't get jobs.........a lot less of them will come.
 
If the Japanese can be as well off as they are having 866.4 people per square mile, and Israel can handle 731.6, why can't the US?

The only reason that countries like Japan and Israel exist is because of the US with our vast expanses of open farmland which we use to raise animals for meat, eggs, milk, etc. as well as grow vegetables that we export to countries like Japan and probably Israel.

Micro, I find it odd how you claim to be so passionate about US issues like constitutional rights and the like, but want to destroy us through other means.
 
Politicians must love you guys. You rail ad nauseum about the issue of immigration while the politicians throw up a smoke screen to divert your attention from the issue they've managed to turn it in to-and a very sel-serving one at that-VOTES!! This is a classic case of politicians doing what's best for the party(and their own political butts)at the expense of the citizens interests they're supposed to serve. Get a grip people-this isn't about immigration or the safety of our citizens-it's about pandering for votes to an ethnic voting block enabled by a complicit media and sheeple for readers/voters.
 
Politicians must love you guys. You rail ad nauseum about the issue of immigration while the politicians throw up a smoke screen to divert your attention from the issue they've managed to turn it in to-and a very sel-serving one at that-VOTES!! This is a classic case of politicians doing what's best for the party(and their own political butts)at the expense of the citizens interests they're supposed to serve. Get a grip people-this isn't about immigration or the safety of our citizens-it's about pandering for votes to an ethnic voting block enabled by a complicit media and sheeple for readers/voters.

Uh, yeah, most people here understand that and your "radical" idea has actually been mentioned several times already in this thread, nostradamus.

Welcome to THR...:rolleyes:

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Radical-wow-thanks for the compliment-I feel like I'm back in college-think I'll let my hair grow out again-oops-I forgot-don't have enough left to do that-which might explain how you've confused me with Nostradamus-he's old too-isn't he? Having a keen sense for the obvious-and being able to read(barely)I noticed my points had previously been mentioned-once even by myself, however it appeared that some of us either were oblivious, have ADD, or entirely too much time on our hands. Next time I need to know "what most people here understand " I'll know where to check. Thanks for the welcome!! And yes, I really do have thick skin, can't you tell?
 
I am all for the administrations plan...

And I hope the unspoken caveat is that if you are not ;

A. Part of a legal employment plan

B. A citizen or legal alien

Then you get shipped home...like right now!

At least they are doing something other than ignoring the problem.

And please...those who advocate shooting illegals...stop trying to help!
 
Last night I heard an intersting factoid. The only time I got to listen to a Michael Savage show front to back. He posted a poll on his website asking if the voter supported amnesty for illegal aliens. In 2 weeks he got 6.5 million votes. Point 1> He has software that prevents multiple votes, point 2> his listening audience is estimated to be 6 to 8 million listeners. Poll results show 95% of the voters opposed amnesty for illegal aliens. He has repeatedly asked the White House for access to Karl Rove for an explanation of his position and is refused.

He intends to get to 10 million votes then go back to the white house for an explanation.
 
What Americans Are Saying About Illegal Immigration
By Frosty Wooldridge
Dec 29, 2003, 00:45


Frosty Wooldridge -- Each week, newspapers across the nation report on illegal immigration as if it's a soap opera drama desperate for sympathy and acceptance. "We came here for a better life," a mother of six sobs into the journalist's tape recorder. "My children deserve an education.."



One week, papers report on a child from Latin America whose parents smuggled her into the United States for a heart transplant at $200,000.00. The next, we see a child whose parents have been selling drugs from their Los Angeles apartment for rent money. The drama continues week in and week out. Twenty years ago, it made for great human-interest stories. It's true! There is so much human misery outside the United States in Africa, the Middle East, South America and Asia-that it tears at your heart. The AIDS epidemic in Africa will kill 40 million in this decade. Starvation and related diseases kill 38,000 children under the age of 10, DAILY around the globe according to the World Health Organization. This crisis for humanity staggers one's imagination.



However, it's coming to America in the form of an invasion of millions who are escaping the misery of their countries only to create the same misery in our country. Already in cities and towns across America, this invasion affects and is crippling our schools, hospitals and infrastructure. Our gridlocked highways, air pollution, water availability, diseases and standard of living worsen with this onslaught. Our national debt, at $6.8 trillion, soars to the point of imminent collapse. Shantytowns pop up in El Paso, Phoenix, Mexicali, Los Angeles and many other cities. This crisis rips at the foundation of our country's viability as a sovereign and functioning nation.



Today, with 10 to 15 million illegal aliens operating in the United States as well as an illegal underground railroad bringing in nearly a million more annually, this invasion imports the Third World into our country. Right now, there are over 80 safe houses in the United States that create forged documents and send new illegal aliens off to jobs that 'Americans won't do.' Their stories and their problems are wearing thin on Americans who have fought and died for this country's freedoms and rule of law. They wear even worse on the 18 million Americans displaced by H-1B visas, depressed wages and those whose neighborhoods and schools have been taken over by foreign languages. It's wearing thin on Americans that our insulated Congress refuses to stop this crisis. Ironically, our leaders encourage it with such policies as the Dream Act, H-1B visas, total lack of enforcement at our borders even after 9/11, refusing to prosecute illegal alien employers and forcing Americans to pay for hospital care, anchor babies and schooling for illegals.



Below are a few things Americans are saying across the country:



Jan of Colorado writes: "Well, I've had it. It seems the porch light is on at the White House but nobody's home. When will Bush and Karl Rove see that their efforts to promote amnesty to border jumpers is destroying this country. They are leading a national suicide. When will they get it? These deals behind the backs of citizens-- offering amnesty, $1 billion Mexi-Care benefits, social security checks and Dream Acts to illegals--must cease. Stop importing workers we do not need who are stealing jobs from our most vulnerable citizens and our most talented. Stop importing Third World disease-ridden aliens who are killing or harming us."



Frank of Arizona: "Your report is completely false and misleading. Immigrants are people who have been lawfully admitted to reside in the United States and they have no problem whatever in returning to Mexico anytime they wish. For the Mexican Deputy Consul General Adriana Gonzalez-Felix to state "you see some people who haven't been able to go home for years" is another downright lie. The entire article is to generate sympathy for illegal aliens, not legal immigrants. Illegal aliens can return to Mexico anytime they wish, and no one will stop them." (Former Border Patrol agent)



Barb of New Jersey: "Lou Dobbs in his CNN evening news program has some eye-opening facts about the path to national dysfunction that unrestrained immigration is leading us. At our present levels of 3 million legal & illegal immigrants a year, we lose millions of acres of agricultural land a annually and within the next 2 decades, will no longer be able to export food and supply our own nation's needs. Our present population is 292 million and will reach 420 to 470 million by 2050. In California, which produces 75% of the nation's food supply, their immigration-driven population grows by 6 million a decade and they are losing 90,000 acres of farm land every few years. The terror will be if we can't import enough food to feed ourselves as the world population grows to 10 billion and has to feed itself."



Marty in Texas: "Why should hospitals cover illegals? Illegal aliens using them as the primary caregivers are bankrupting our US hospitals. I'm tired of paying for 350,000 anchor babies each year. Citizens can no longer cover the illegals' costs plus their own. Americans across the U.S. would like to see a discussion regarding illegal immigration, the social and dollar costs, and ultimately, what it is doing to this wonderful country we live in, i.e., bankrupting hospitals, schools and states. Why don't we ask our elected officials what they plan to do about this growing unaffordable crisis? Contact Congress now at 1-800-648-3516, and call your senator's toll free at 1-877- 762-8762."



Vick of New York: "Mr. Bush, you put us between a rock and a hard place. On one hand we support your strength on international issues, and on the other hand your statements about "willing workers & willing employers" anger us. We know that is shorthand for a type of amnesty that will simply encourage more illegal immigration. On one hand is a potential for increased terrorism in our nation as we fight in Iraq. On the other hand we see the actual harm done to us by illegal immigration. We must weigh what might happen against what is already happening. My sons are in construction. One has left the field due to the complete 'colonization' of dry-wall hanging by illegal alien workers. I have a friend who had to put her kids in private school because her kids had to struggle with several different languages and weren't learning anything."



Those are a few comments from across the nation. Every American in every city could add to this horrific and growing list. Your own kids might be confused by 10 languages in their classrooms. Your spouse may have lost his or her job to an illegal alien. Your teen can't find a fast-food service job because they have been 'colonized' by illegals. Your kids may have been victims of tuberculosis spreading in Atlanta, Florida, Michigan or Colorado. You're sitting in gridlock because your city grew by one million in the last decade. This crisis list will grow bigger, more painful and deadlier as this invasion advances.



It's up to you, an American citizen, to take action. If you do nothing, it will worsen. By doing something, you can change the course of history for your country, humanity and your children. Abraham Lincoln said, "Public sentiment is everything. Without public sentiment, nothing can fail; without it nothing can succeed." In order for our country to provide benevolence for the rest of the world-whether it is food-aid, medical help or disaster relief-we must be viable. At the current accelerating rate of this crisis, our future as a nation stands in question.



Frosty Wooldridge ([email protected]), web site: (www.frostywooldridge.com) is a teacher and author who has bicycled 100,000 miles on six continents to see overpopulation up close and ugly. For more information to take action at the national level, you may go to his web site and/or www.numbersusa.com or write the author for local web sites to take local action in your state. Next book: 'INCURSION INTO AMERICA: HOW MASS ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION ADVERSELY AFFECTS AMERICAN CITIZENS AND COMMUNITIES'. If you have been affected by illegal immigration, write as much of your story as you like and submit it to the author for inclusion into the book. All names and places will remain private.
 
Will Rove pay attention to Savage's poll? Rove, the Rasputin of this Administration, is the same guy who told Cong. Tom Tancredo, perhaps the staunchest opponent of unchecked illegal immigration in Congress, "never to darken the door of the White House again!" Then he told Tancredo he could expect to get frozen out fund-wise by the Republic Party and that the White House would back another candidate to oust him. This is what we are dealing with on this issue. Bush and Rove are hell-bent on globalism at all costs.

Plan on being ignored if you don't like the current policy. Savage was asked what his faithful should do, given the current political realities. Sit out the election, was his reply, and let the chips fall where they may.
 
The only reason that countries like Japan and Israel exist is because of the US with our vast expanses of open farmland which we use to raise animals for meat, eggs, milk, etc. as well as grow vegetables that we export to countries like Japan and probably Israel.


OK, newsflash number 1: Israel exports fruit, vegetables, and flowers.

Newsflash number 2: Most meat here is made in Israel except some made in Argentina.
 
For starters, if you have not done so, go to www.michaelsavage.com and look at the results of the internet voting on allowing making illegal aliens legal. I am assuming the poll is legit. Something like 7 million votes have been cast and 95% are against making illegals, legal.

I will repeat what I have said here before. We presently have 2 million people in our prisons and jails. 30% of those people are foreign born, and it is a good bet most of them are illegals. We also have 4 million people on parole or probation. Of course, those serving hard time are only ones who actually got caught and convicted.

There is on our borders a 60 mile buffer zone enforced by DHS (formerly Border Patrol and Customs). After that 60 mile zone there are only 2,000 immigration agents assigned to round up and process as many as 12-13 million illegal aliens, including 300,000 missing illegals under deportation orders. With only 2,000 agents engaged, it is totally obvious that the Federal Government has no intention ever, under any immigration program, to enforce much of anything.

Something else to consider. Much of America's infra-structure is in a sad state of disrepair. Each year a report is issued grading the infra-structure, and usually nothing gets higher than a C+. This includes roads, bridges, water treatment faciliitise, sewage treatment facilities and the like. The report card gets worse each year.

The last thing America needs is more people, especially if they are poor, illiterate, low skilled, possibly diseased, possibly criminals, and cannot speak the language.
 
Even with a great influx of immigrants, therefore, we don't need to worry about `overpopulation' as long as we keep our economy free enough to provide for all.

more people=more crime=more laws=less freedom::cuss:
 
What this is about isn't immigration per se, it's about enlarging the labor pool in order to allow corporations to hold wages down on the jobs that they can't export to Mexico or China.

Bush's pandering on this issue has nothing to do with the 'hispanic voting bloc' and everything to do with ensuring a supply of cheap labor for his contributors.



Deport them. Now. :fire:
 
We propose a five-word constitutional amendment: There shall be open borders. People are the great resource, and so long as we keep our economy free, more people means more growth, the more the merrier. Study after study shows that even the most recent immigrants give more than they take.


-The Wall Street Journal
 
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