Concealed carry at a gun show?

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Off the wall question. Pretty sure it's a state by state issue. Most gun shows I've been to check in any guns you bring; make sure they aren't loaded; mark them in some manner to prove they are yours; and most times Tie-Wrap them so they can't be fired. If you carry concealed, can you NOT CLAIM it, or are you expected to NOT carry that weapon in loaded and on your person? Curious???
 
I wore mine to a gun show right after I got my CCW permit. I saw all the signs, and wore it in anyway without saying anything. I was so paranoid about it that after awhile I went out to my truck and stashed it. I rarely go to gun shows, I never buy anything anyway, and my feet get all pissed off.
 
The gun shows in Dallas have signs that say absolutely no loaded guns including concealed carry weapons. They do not want any chance at all of someone looking at a weapon that doesn't know what they are doing or know to check for a loaded weapon and having a accidental or negligent discharge. There are a lot of people new to guns at these shows that dont know to treat every gun as if it were loaded.

Deckard
 
Out here in WA we have the Washington Arms Collectors, who put on shows throughout the year and require that all guns coming into the show are tied, otherwise inoperable, and/or have their magazines removed. To them it's a liability issue and an effort to retain safety. CPL or not it's their club, so they make the rules. I'm not sure if the shows you're talking about have a set of rules posted or available that specifically mention this but I'd at least look into it and make your own judgement.
 
I've been to many gun shows. I just don't recall ever seeing a sign that said no concealed carry weapons. And as for the marking of weapons we bring in; that was mainly to show that the person in possession didn't try and steal it. That it was there. "We have seen some people try and steal handguns at gun shows". Anyway; I understand the loaded weapon part, just don't recall ever seeing a NO CONCEALED WEAPONS allowed sign.
 
In PA, every show (that I've been to in the last few years anyway) has a big sign out front that says "ALL firearms must be unloaded and zip-tied," or words to that effect.

They also have a few folks standing at the entrance asking one last time, "Any guns?" and locking open/zip-tieing any stragglers.

I've never gone to a show and not carried my CCW as normal. I always just smile, show open hands, and allow them to assume that means either that I'm unarmed or (at least) I'm not telling.

In PA, I'm breaking no laws by not following their policy. Worst-case possibility is that, if my personal protection weapon is discovered, I'll be asked to leave -- and I'd go, that's their call.

Never had a problem, but I only go to four or five shows a year. Hardly ever buy anything.

-Sam
 
Folks, it's a requirement of the insurance carrier for the venue where the show is staged. Loaded guns means no insurance policy and that means no event.

Ever seen the "no cameras" signs at gun shows? A few years ago news reporters and TV crews would show up to film how easy it is to buy guns at shows so to stop these anti-gun reports they prohibited cameras at the events.
 
I've never gone to a show and not carried my CCW as normal. I always just smile, show open hands, and allow them to assume that means either that I'm unarmed or (at least) I'm not telling.

+1 I assume they are required to put this notification up by the insurance company or something. Being in the firearm industry, you can't convince me they really mean that I should disarm. So I smile and enter anyway since they don't really mean it. I'm not breaking any laws, just taking the insurance companies request with a grain of salt. All they can do is ask me to leave if they find out, and how will they find out unless I tell them?
 
That sucks. Gun shows are supposed to be full of the most pro gun people and yet they ban guns. IRONY!!

They dont ban guns, just loaded ones. Anytime there is that many guns being handled I personally dont want someone passing around their CCW piece. Concealed is concealed, if you dont take it out it doesnt matter. But you know is always gonna be that one guy.......
 
I'm with ljnowell. I'd say the real issue lies with the fact some people can't seem to leave the damn thing in their holster and pull it out to try a different holster, show someone, offer it in trade, etc, and then they end up discharging a round into the floor.

If someone has a ND at a boat show, people say "Wow, why was a gun at a boat show?" If someone has a ND at a gun show, people say, "Duh, what do you expect with a bunch of crazy gun nuts packing heat?"
 
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In SC all the shows I have been to recently have a sign something along the lines of...
No loaded weapons, This includes CCW's. If caught you will be asked to leave and prosecuted.
 
NC we have the additional, ridiculous "no CCW in places that charge admission" law - which includes movie theaters

They should call it the John Wilkes Booth Law
 
There are too many dumb people at gun shows to allow loaded weapons.

These people don't live at the gun show. They are everywhere. These are the very same people the Brady Campaign says are too stupid to have loaded firearms, as well.

I see you and the Brady Campaign have similar beliefs.
 
HECK, WHY NOT? I mean what's wrong about having a gun at a gun show?

If it is a personal protection weapon and it is holstered and only to be accessed in the extreme moment of need, there is NOTHING wrong with having a loaded gun at a gun show. Or a theater, church, school, bar, stadium, port-a-john, ...whatever. (Except in some states some of those places may be illegal -- "malum prohibitum".)

The issue is with loaded guns is when they just won't stay in the holster for whatever reason. If you've ever watched the gun-handling that goes on in a gun show (or a gun shop, or a lot of public ranges, etc) you REALLY don't want loaded firearms "in play." There are enough horror stories around of negligent discharges at gun shows, restaurants, etc. that gun show promotors really have to try pretty hard not to be a magnet for such disasters. Requiring that every gun which will be handled, passed around, checked for holster fit, etc. at the show has been unloaded and shown clear before entry is just a good safety practice.

Think about it this way: If you go to a shooting competition, everyone attending is armed and lots of guns will be handled throughout the day. However, the rules of every competition I've heard of dictate that no weapons be loaded except on the firing line, at the command of the range/safety officer(s). No one complains that this is somehow "anti-RKBA." Now they aren't patting you down to check that you unloaded the j-frame in your pocket. But if you draw it out, expect IMMEDIATE attention. You've brought your "private" gun into public, and now it is EVERYONE's concern.

Carrying loaded firearms is a very safe activity. HANDLING loaded firearms in inherantly NOT so and must be structured very carefully to prevent catastrophy. A gun show is, by definition, a gun HANDLING event -- so they have to be unloaded. The zip ties are just a fairly unobtrusive way of visibly demonstrating that a gun being handled is "certified cleared."

One more way to look at it: If this was a boat show, horse show, town meeting, prayer breakfast, or whatever event basides a gun show going on in the same venue, there would be no zip ties, etc. Every person in the venue could be packing a pair of pistols and no one would be in any danger. Why? Because in those circumstances, no one would even THINK of drawing their gun(s) except in the most immediate and extreme need -- guns aren't the focus of the event, and handling a gun then would be completely unacceptable. At a gun show, handling guns is expected and encouraged. We've proven too many times that we just aren't disciplined enough as a culture (species, even?) to apply the 4 laws when packed in a room with thousands of guns and thousands of other gun nuts jammed cheek-to-jowel.

You want to keep your personal defence weapon loaded and ready? Fine. Don't ask, don't tell, DON'T TOUCH IT, go about your business like you would any where else. You want to go find a new holster for it or try out some laser grips? Unload, show clear, get zipped.

-Sam
 
There are too many dumb people at gun shows to allow loaded weapons.
This is a bit too facile a statement to make. Not everyone in the "gun culture" is as experienced as others. Even the most experienced/trained of us can get distracted and make a mistake. It is DUMB to screw up and endanger anyone. But not uncommon, and probably every single one of us has done it to one degree or another at one time.

Having guns being handled at shows "certified clear" is just a way of helping all of us keep from making a bonehead mistake. Those of us that are utterly perfect will just have to deal with the inconvinience, I guess. :rolleyes:

These people don't live at the gun show. They are everywhere. These are the very same people the Brady Campaign says are too stupid to have loaded firearms, as well.

I see you and the Brady Campaign have similar beliefs.

Totally disingenuous remark. The idea of creating an unloaded/safe zone for guns being handled in a crowded place has NOTHING to do with denying anyone's right to own or use a gun.

You know that not even Master class shooters at IDPA or USPSA National matches can leave the bay with their pistol "hot", and that you can't walk around behind the line at Camp Perry with 20 rounds of .308 in your M1A? In fact, either of those mistakes will get you ejected from the match. In your humble opinion, is that the effects of the Brady Campaign destroying our RKBA?

Good grief.

-Sam
 
I can't believe so many jerks insist on breaking rules, just because they feel like it. If there is a sign posted saying no loaded guns, follow the rules or don't go in. These comments about breaking the rules until you get caught are downright childish.

If a business has a sign posted saying no guns allowed, you cannot carry inside that establishment. Same thing applies to the gun shows. You don't need a sign saying "no concealed carry" to know you are not supposed to be carrying a loaded weapon at a gunshow.

That's all we need in the gun community is for one of these "I'm special and don't need to follow the rules" idiots to have an accidental discharge at a gunshow - and then the city bans gunshows.

Grow up or don't go to the gunshow if you can't follow the basic safety rules.
 
Forget the dogma and just comply!

Setting aside the issues concerning what a person can require on his own private property and such...

WHAT ARE YOU THINKING???

There are far too many people at gun shows picking guns up and doing stupid things with them. Mixing a small number of loaded guns into the mix is so unsafe as to be insane. I don't care how safe you imagine youself to be. There's always about 3% in every crowd who are just too stupid to suck snot.

There was a gun dealer at a show, in Atlanta I believe, who kept his concealed carry gun with him, loaded, in violation of the sign. At one point, he had to knell down to fix some electrical plugs, and the gun got in the way, so he laid it on a table. While he was donw under the table, someone picked up the gun and checked the trigger. BANG! I think that bit of "I'm too smart for the rules" cost some 14-year-old his life.

I've been at gun shows and gun shops where people pick up guns and instantly put their trigger fingers on the triggers. Are these guys too inexperienced to know the basic safety rules, or too experienced to think that they apply to them?

I was personally at a gun show in Pensacola when some nut took out a pair of dykes and cut the plastic tie off a revolver and tried to load it. Good thing the dealer caught him. What was he up to?

Put your attitude aside. Everyone knows that YOU are safe and everything. Do it for the OTHER IDIOT.

- - - Yoda
 
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