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Sam; you really can't be that blind. I've read too many of your posts. You appear to be an open minded person. But for some reason, you are hell bent convinced that some how in order to respect someone else's rights, that we have to give up our rights. There are times when we CHOOSE not to exercise our rights. You do it every day. I am 100% positive that you don't carry your gun 24/7 365 a year. You obviously make choices in your life. We all make choices. Every choice we make in life has a pro/con risk attached to it. That is life, and you can't get away from it. Whether you decide to drive your car, take a bus, walk, eat at certain restaurants, go to your kid's soccer game, etc... you are taking risks. Again; welcome to the real world.
No, you aren't giving up your rights. You are exercising your right. If you CHOOSE to go to your son's high school football game; then (In most states) it is against the law to carry a weapon onto public school grounds. So; you make a choice whether to go or not. Now yes; there are 3 choices. 1. Don't go; 2. Go, and don't take a gun; or 3. Go, take your gun, disrespect the law and take your chances. (Personally, the WORST choice in this scenario to ME, is (1). To put your gun rights or anything else over your children is definitely the worst. But that aside, you are exercising your Right to make a choice. And it's YOUR CHOICE. You aren't FORCED to go. You aren't FORCED to stay away. The same with other people's private property. Whether it's residential, business, lease to a gun show, etc... You have the RIGHT to choose to attend or not. You are definitely not giving up your rights. And you didn't answer the question about your work place. If you worked some place that didn't allow guns (I have and do work at such places); would you simply QUIT the job or Carry the Gun to work anyway and HOPE for the best?
Rockwell; I've already answered your question; but I will say it again. It DOESN'T MATTER if any harm comes to you carrying your gun into a gun show or not. That has absolutely NOTHING to do with the argument. The argument is: You and Sam; and a few others; Believe that you HAVE THE RIGHT to go ANYPLACE that you want to and carry your gun. You don't believe that a property owner has the right to tell you not to bring a gun onto the property. The ONLY reason you don't carry in LEGALLY restricted places is because you are AFRAID of being arrested and losing your CCW Permit. But because a Private Property owner ISN'T THE LAW; you have absolutely no respect for them or their property at all. That is the TRUTH and that is what this argument is about.
And divemedic; I WON'T even entertain your comments because you refuse to read, let alone TRY and comprehend. I've repeatedly mentioned your trivial type of scenarios. Those have been answered quite clearly. Either READ and COMPREHEND or don't even bother asking.
I asked the original question to see if there were SIGNS or POSTINGS at the various gun shows specifically stating whether or not to enter with concealed weapons. Because at our gun shows; I don't RECALL seeing them. It was NEVER a question of whether I WOULD or WOULDN'T carry. If the property owner has a policy of No loaded weapons of ANY KIND; then I don't carry in the gun show. If I don't agree with that; then I DON'T go to the gun show. Why is that so difficult? You all can't be blind. Are you so scared for your life that you can't go anyplace without your gun? If so; how do you go to work if your employer doesn't allow guns? Do you ever go to a bar for a drink with friends? Do you ever go to a school sporting event? Is the only reason that you don't carry to these places is because you FEAR the law? Obviously you don't RESPECT the law. Only fear it.
Personally; this thread got it's answer many pages ago. It's fine with me if it closes. It's also fine to keep it going. I personally will allow you all to have the final say in anything you want. There is no reasoning here. I'm not asking you to agree with ME. What I am speaking of is basic respect for other people's rights, just like you want them to respect your rights. And NO, you do not give up your rights because you are respecting someone else's rights. That is pure rationalizing. If you CHOOSE to not go into a place because they don't want you to bring in a gun; then you are exercising your rights; you are keeping your gun; and you ARE RESPECTING the property owner's Rights to do as s/he pleases with their property.
Anyway; thanks to those of you who answered my question about the gun shows. I'll check out to see if there is a sign this weekend. If there isn't a sign mentioning ccw weapons; or something that implies ALL weapons; then I'll carry in. If it is clear that they also mean Concealed Carry; then I won't carry in.
No, you aren't giving up your rights. You are exercising your right. If you CHOOSE to go to your son's high school football game; then (In most states) it is against the law to carry a weapon onto public school grounds. So; you make a choice whether to go or not. Now yes; there are 3 choices. 1. Don't go; 2. Go, and don't take a gun; or 3. Go, take your gun, disrespect the law and take your chances. (Personally, the WORST choice in this scenario to ME, is (1). To put your gun rights or anything else over your children is definitely the worst. But that aside, you are exercising your Right to make a choice. And it's YOUR CHOICE. You aren't FORCED to go. You aren't FORCED to stay away. The same with other people's private property. Whether it's residential, business, lease to a gun show, etc... You have the RIGHT to choose to attend or not. You are definitely not giving up your rights. And you didn't answer the question about your work place. If you worked some place that didn't allow guns (I have and do work at such places); would you simply QUIT the job or Carry the Gun to work anyway and HOPE for the best?
Rockwell; I've already answered your question; but I will say it again. It DOESN'T MATTER if any harm comes to you carrying your gun into a gun show or not. That has absolutely NOTHING to do with the argument. The argument is: You and Sam; and a few others; Believe that you HAVE THE RIGHT to go ANYPLACE that you want to and carry your gun. You don't believe that a property owner has the right to tell you not to bring a gun onto the property. The ONLY reason you don't carry in LEGALLY restricted places is because you are AFRAID of being arrested and losing your CCW Permit. But because a Private Property owner ISN'T THE LAW; you have absolutely no respect for them or their property at all. That is the TRUTH and that is what this argument is about.
And divemedic; I WON'T even entertain your comments because you refuse to read, let alone TRY and comprehend. I've repeatedly mentioned your trivial type of scenarios. Those have been answered quite clearly. Either READ and COMPREHEND or don't even bother asking.
I asked the original question to see if there were SIGNS or POSTINGS at the various gun shows specifically stating whether or not to enter with concealed weapons. Because at our gun shows; I don't RECALL seeing them. It was NEVER a question of whether I WOULD or WOULDN'T carry. If the property owner has a policy of No loaded weapons of ANY KIND; then I don't carry in the gun show. If I don't agree with that; then I DON'T go to the gun show. Why is that so difficult? You all can't be blind. Are you so scared for your life that you can't go anyplace without your gun? If so; how do you go to work if your employer doesn't allow guns? Do you ever go to a bar for a drink with friends? Do you ever go to a school sporting event? Is the only reason that you don't carry to these places is because you FEAR the law? Obviously you don't RESPECT the law. Only fear it.
Personally; this thread got it's answer many pages ago. It's fine with me if it closes. It's also fine to keep it going. I personally will allow you all to have the final say in anything you want. There is no reasoning here. I'm not asking you to agree with ME. What I am speaking of is basic respect for other people's rights, just like you want them to respect your rights. And NO, you do not give up your rights because you are respecting someone else's rights. That is pure rationalizing. If you CHOOSE to not go into a place because they don't want you to bring in a gun; then you are exercising your rights; you are keeping your gun; and you ARE RESPECTING the property owner's Rights to do as s/he pleases with their property.
Anyway; thanks to those of you who answered my question about the gun shows. I'll check out to see if there is a sign this weekend. If there isn't a sign mentioning ccw weapons; or something that implies ALL weapons; then I'll carry in. If it is clear that they also mean Concealed Carry; then I won't carry in.