TonyB
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Thre's gettin got be less and less places I can go......
Disney World to test metal detectors
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But if you can't go to a theme park unless your armed you probably should stay home.
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and, Tamara said:
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Oddly enough, I'm always armed there, too.
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Tamara has got it right.
Thank God, I have spent my last dollar at that place.
I did however, at the last tour, get to witness [socialist] John Glenn lift off in the space shuttle. Although 50 miles away, you could see the thing go up with great detail. I knew the time of lift-off and went outside of the Magic Kingdom to view it. The sheeple coming in and going out of the place simply did not see/hear/tune-in/know/care anything about it even with me shouting at them and telling them.
They just looked at me with blank stares and went about their way.
I don't think they would react if you lit dynamite under them.
Simply amazing
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But if you can't go to a theme park unless your armed you probably should stay home.
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and, Tamara said:
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Oddly enough, I'm always armed there, too.
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Tamara has got it right.
Thank God, I have spent my last dollar at that place.
I did however, at the last tour, get to witness [socialist] John Glenn lift off in the space shuttle. Although 50 miles away, you could see the thing go up with great detail. I knew the time of lift-off and went outside of the Magic Kingdom to view it. The sheeple coming in and going out of the place simply did not see/hear/tune-in/know/care anything about it even with me shouting at them and telling them.
They just looked at me with blank stares and went about their way.
I don't think they would react if you lit dynamite under them.
Simply amazing
This strikes me as funny:
One of the primary reasons for folks getting concealed carry permits is the ability to defend life and limb in that timeframe before police response eventually happens. And while I'm entertained by the idea that Disney & Co. have a Tactical Rat team staged somewhere in the vicinity of Magic Mountain, I doubt very much that it could or would respond any faster to a violent crime there than a similar event would be covered by law enforcement units in the rest of Orange County.
And I know I'm not the only one who considers Walt Disney World a juicy target for acts of terrorism. It offers a very high body count for a minimum investment - hence their closing for as long as they did post 9/11. Granted, I'm the one who asks stewardesses if I can sit next to any visibly nervous passengers of Middle Eastern descent, (and sometimes get my wish) but if something's going to break loose in a seething mass of theme park humanity and threaten myself or my family, they're more than welcome to try.
One of the primary reasons for folks getting concealed carry permits is the ability to defend life and limb in that timeframe before police response eventually happens. And while I'm entertained by the idea that Disney & Co. have a Tactical Rat team staged somewhere in the vicinity of Magic Mountain, I doubt very much that it could or would respond any faster to a violent crime there than a similar event would be covered by law enforcement units in the rest of Orange County.
And I know I'm not the only one who considers Walt Disney World a juicy target for acts of terrorism. It offers a very high body count for a minimum investment - hence their closing for as long as they did post 9/11. Granted, I'm the one who asks stewardesses if I can sit next to any visibly nervous passengers of Middle Eastern descent, (and sometimes get my wish) but if something's going to break loose in a seething mass of theme park humanity and threaten myself or my family, they're more than welcome to try.
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Gewehr98,
I agree 110%.
Situational awareness always. Thinking outside the box is healthy.
I agree 110%.
Situational awareness always. Thinking outside the box is healthy.
larry_minn
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gulogulo1970
"If someone came onto your property and told you what you could or couldn't do on your own property. I would bet most of you would get pissed. You have no right, zero right, to do what you please on others property if they don't want you to. Property rights are just as important to a free people as the right to free speech or the right for self protection. Where rights clash one has to give way. And in my mind the right to make the rules on my property supercedes your right to want to be armed on my property"
I take it you don't own any property? People try to tell me dang near daily what I can/can't should/should not do on my own land. They try to FORCE me to make changes THEY think should/need/must be done. And I live where its good? I read in a town they have to get permission before they insulate their garage, put new doors on their house, remodel bathroom, etc. I am told what/when/where I can/can/t burn/dig/bury/drive/park/etc. I get calls every few weeks about Government person wants to waste couple hours going over MY property to tell me what to do. A person who lives in town and mows 50 sq feet. Many are learning to leave me alone. (I have plenty of room behind the house and know how to use a shovel)
Heck I had to pay a Lawyer to send certified copy/letter to avoid fines/order to put in sewer system that WILL fail in less then 10 yrs. (has at everyone elses around here) I use GRAVITY which when it fails I won't care about sewage.
"If someone came onto your property and told you what you could or couldn't do on your own property. I would bet most of you would get pissed. You have no right, zero right, to do what you please on others property if they don't want you to. Property rights are just as important to a free people as the right to free speech or the right for self protection. Where rights clash one has to give way. And in my mind the right to make the rules on my property supercedes your right to want to be armed on my property"
I take it you don't own any property? People try to tell me dang near daily what I can/can't should/should not do on my own land. They try to FORCE me to make changes THEY think should/need/must be done. And I live where its good? I read in a town they have to get permission before they insulate their garage, put new doors on their house, remodel bathroom, etc. I am told what/when/where I can/can/t burn/dig/bury/drive/park/etc. I get calls every few weeks about Government person wants to waste couple hours going over MY property to tell me what to do. A person who lives in town and mows 50 sq feet. Many are learning to leave me alone. (I have plenty of room behind the house and know how to use a shovel)
Heck I had to pay a Lawyer to send certified copy/letter to avoid fines/order to put in sewer system that WILL fail in less then 10 yrs. (has at everyone elses around here) I use GRAVITY which when it fails I won't care about sewage.
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Logistar
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/rant on
I just don't get it. This is a FREE country last time I checked. Disney (or any other private place) can make up rules if they want. If you wanna go... go.
But being the free country this is... if decisions like this are SUPPORTED by all you guys who say... I'll go anyway... I'm not afraid at DISNEYWORLD... I will disarm for them.
Well, when the next business bans weapons, then the next.... will you still be supporting them too? When ALL businesses realize this is now "normal" and you can't carry ANYWHERE despite spending $$$ on a now useless CCW, will you complain?
Reminds me of a old saying..... goes SOMETHING like this:
"They came for the _____. I wasn't one of them so I did nothing. Then they came for the _____. I didn't do anything then either. Then they came for me. " (If anyone can recall the correct words I'd appreciate it.)
If you don't vote, don't complain about our leaders. If you support antis, don't complain when we have no guns. Maybe my boycott of places that attempt to squash my rights won't stop it, but at least I will be able to complain with a clear conscious!
And if we all stood united, maybe we COULD make a difference.
/rant off
I just don't get it. This is a FREE country last time I checked. Disney (or any other private place) can make up rules if they want. If you wanna go... go.
But being the free country this is... if decisions like this are SUPPORTED by all you guys who say... I'll go anyway... I'm not afraid at DISNEYWORLD... I will disarm for them.
Well, when the next business bans weapons, then the next.... will you still be supporting them too? When ALL businesses realize this is now "normal" and you can't carry ANYWHERE despite spending $$$ on a now useless CCW, will you complain?
Reminds me of a old saying..... goes SOMETHING like this:
"They came for the _____. I wasn't one of them so I did nothing. Then they came for the _____. I didn't do anything then either. Then they came for me. " (If anyone can recall the correct words I'd appreciate it.)
If you don't vote, don't complain about our leaders. If you support antis, don't complain when we have no guns. Maybe my boycott of places that attempt to squash my rights won't stop it, but at least I will be able to complain with a clear conscious!
And if we all stood united, maybe we COULD make a difference.
/rant off
"First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me. "
Pastor Niemoller
Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me. "
Pastor Niemoller
A crowded place like Disney would be a horrible place to have to actually use your gun in self defense. A miss, or a shot that overpenetrates could easily hit an innocent person.
Fortunately, crowded places like that are relatively safe.
The only time you'd likely have to draw your weapon in such a place is to stop someone who's trying to commit mass murder, and is not concerned with their own safety.
If that did happen, a CCW holder could save a considerable number of lives.
Disney wants to prevent that situation by keeping all firearms out, unless they're in the hands of security or law enforcment. If they could keep all guns out (including from employees and delivery people) then it might be effective.
However, their policy is only really likely to disarm law abiding people who will follow their rules. Criminals who really want to get guns inside the park won't likely have a lot of trouble doing so.
Fortunately, crowded places like that are relatively safe.
The only time you'd likely have to draw your weapon in such a place is to stop someone who's trying to commit mass murder, and is not concerned with their own safety.
If that did happen, a CCW holder could save a considerable number of lives.
Disney wants to prevent that situation by keeping all firearms out, unless they're in the hands of security or law enforcment. If they could keep all guns out (including from employees and delivery people) then it might be effective.
However, their policy is only really likely to disarm law abiding people who will follow their rules. Criminals who really want to get guns inside the park won't likely have a lot of trouble doing so.
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Logistar
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Thanks PaladinVC, that was it.
- I was on Bourbon Street not long ago. MOST of the time I could not have fired a shot without a real chance of hitting innocent people. But occasionally you might get a shot AND what about getting TO and FROM the "impractical to shoot" location?
When I walked down to the Mississippi River from Bourbon Street it got kinda lonely. (I wished there were a few more people around.) No problem if I needed a shot there. So should I leave it in the room because I might not be able to use it in "some"of the locations I will be visiting?
Sorry, I'll be quiet for awhile!
- I was on Bourbon Street not long ago. MOST of the time I could not have fired a shot without a real chance of hitting innocent people. But occasionally you might get a shot AND what about getting TO and FROM the "impractical to shoot" location?
When I walked down to the Mississippi River from Bourbon Street it got kinda lonely. (I wished there were a few more people around.) No problem if I needed a shot there. So should I leave it in the room because I might not be able to use it in "some"of the locations I will be visiting?
Sorry, I'll be quiet for awhile!
cidirkona
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Sounds like it would be a good idea for the 'more likely to not come out the back even from close quarters' firestorm .380 with expanding hydroshocks!
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If a group of people want to commit mass murder at Disney and are willing to invest some time planning, I doubt they'd have trouble bypassing the metal detectors. They're just another line of defense against stupid criminals, and otherwise law abiding people.
True security costs a lot in time and money. It also makes for bad customer, vendor, and contractor relations. They'll very likely do enough to disarm their customers, but if terrorists decide to kill a lot of people at Disney I don't have a lot of faith that Disney is up to the task of catching them.
Flatrock, if hardcore terrorists decide to go to war with the patrons of Walt Disney World, I doubt that a Glock 26 will be enough to prevent them from doing so. Even in the unlikely event that the attack takes a form that you can shoot at (people with small arms as opposed to a truck full of explosives or a crashing airplane or a few vials of Sarin), there is almost no chance that I and my H&K can make a meaningful contribution to the fight.
For one thing, if they've got the planning, training and evil intent to killa bunch of children in the most magical place on Earth, a CCW is no match for them. If there are multiple CCWs, they won't have any organization at all, and there's a good chance that they will just shoot anyone with a gun, including each other. It would be absolute chaos.
It's careless and narrow-minded to think that anyone with a CCW in Florida will have the training, mindset and skill-at-arms to repel an armed and determined attack by trained soldiers or terrorists. Maybe you have the hardware and capability to do it, but just having a CCW isn't enough to guarantee the safety of yourself and the other patrons. Disney is looking for the greatest net safety (not to be confused with a safety net), and if taking guns out of the hands of law-abiding citizens inside the park achieves that, then they are well within the bounds of reason to do so.
Having firearms with which to resist oppression is a constitutional right. Carrying firearms when you drive down to the store or walk your dog is an act of prudence, a safeguard against danger. If, in the final analysis, greater safety can be had by NOT carrying a gun, then it becomes prudent to leave it at home. Disney has reached the conclusion that the general armed populace cannot be trusted to safely and reliably neutralize armed and organized terrorist cells. Can you blame them? Disney takes responsibility for keeping casual criminals from bringing their pistols into the park. If you can't trust them to do that, then feel free to avoid that dangerous area. Part of the sacial contract is sacrificing a little bit of your sovereignty now and again. You are free to carry a gun and you are free to go to Disney World, but you can't do both at the same time.
For one thing, if they've got the planning, training and evil intent to killa bunch of children in the most magical place on Earth, a CCW is no match for them. If there are multiple CCWs, they won't have any organization at all, and there's a good chance that they will just shoot anyone with a gun, including each other. It would be absolute chaos.
It's careless and narrow-minded to think that anyone with a CCW in Florida will have the training, mindset and skill-at-arms to repel an armed and determined attack by trained soldiers or terrorists. Maybe you have the hardware and capability to do it, but just having a CCW isn't enough to guarantee the safety of yourself and the other patrons. Disney is looking for the greatest net safety (not to be confused with a safety net), and if taking guns out of the hands of law-abiding citizens inside the park achieves that, then they are well within the bounds of reason to do so.
Having firearms with which to resist oppression is a constitutional right. Carrying firearms when you drive down to the store or walk your dog is an act of prudence, a safeguard against danger. If, in the final analysis, greater safety can be had by NOT carrying a gun, then it becomes prudent to leave it at home. Disney has reached the conclusion that the general armed populace cannot be trusted to safely and reliably neutralize armed and organized terrorist cells. Can you blame them? Disney takes responsibility for keeping casual criminals from bringing their pistols into the park. If you can't trust them to do that, then feel free to avoid that dangerous area. Part of the sacial contract is sacrificing a little bit of your sovereignty now and again. You are free to carry a gun and you are free to go to Disney World, but you can't do both at the same time.
Diggler
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The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
Disney doesn't care about YOUR safety. They care about their image.
Disney doesn't care about YOUR safety. They care about their image.
Just wanted to let you know the family just got back from 4 expensive days at Disney and no metal detectors in sight. There were bag searches but I thought they were rather lame. If you didn't have a bag you could walk right through the gate. One interesting point although someone else may have brought it up was the use of biometrics there. When you run your pass thru the scanner you have to put your index and middle finger into a biometrics scanner I guess for you finger print. Each subsequent time you use the pass it compares the fingerprint. Big brother again?
yy
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Just in case this point hasn't been raised:
It makes sense, if you consider Disney's clients. The management want European and Asian tourists. So presumably the target audience is used to gun-confiscation, enjoys higher euro-to-dollar conversion, and feels comfortable with disarmament.
Some might even praise disney for creating a safe enviroment.
Now I think metal detectors make sense. Now that disney is assuming full responsibility of everyone's well being...
(note to self, dump disney stock before the libility suits hit the papers...)
It makes sense, if you consider Disney's clients. The management want European and Asian tourists. So presumably the target audience is used to gun-confiscation, enjoys higher euro-to-dollar conversion, and feels comfortable with disarmament.
Some might even praise disney for creating a safe enviroment.
Now I think metal detectors make sense. Now that disney is assuming full responsibility of everyone's well being...
(note to self, dump disney stock before the libility suits hit the papers...)
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