Disney World and CCW

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I just got back from a family vacation in Orlando Florida and wanted to report on the CCW situation at the Disney and Universal studios theme parks.


First of all there are no signs or posted policies regarding concealed carry in the either the Disney or Universal parks.

Bags are subject to a cursory search and has been this way since 9/11

There are no metal detectors or wands being used.

I carried my S&W airlite the whole time without a problem.

Disney world also sells toy guns (cool ones made with metal and wood)

I'm not sure what the company policy is but from all outward appearances it looks like they don't want to mess with CCW holders.
 
I was there some years ago, and was concerned. I was carrying an M1911 in a fanny pack, and thought I'd stand out. Then I saw everyone had fanny packs -- there was one big fat woman with a fanny pack the size of a footlocker (and a fanny to match).

So I stopped worrying.
 
Carrying a gun in a fanny pack or other bag would not be a good idea, since the security people want to look in your bag.

Carry your weapon on your person until you get through security at the front gate.

The official policy at WDW is they don't want you carrying on their property. But the policy isn't posted anywhere, and if they catch you, they won't ask you to leave as long as you go put it in your car.

Disneyland in California is no different.
 
Disneys policy is NO GUNS

We were there in December. They are not YET using metal detector (They are thinking about installing them). If you have a gun in a fanny pack and they see it they will ask you to lock it up in lockers before entering the park. I carried my Colt Mustang in my pocket then switched it to the fanny pack in the mens room. I thought the fanny pack was safer than a holster or pocket carry since some the ride can be a little violent. The searchs are very cursory. We brought 3 or 4 bottles of water with us each day in a backpack. It could easily been gas or god knows what. I felt safe in the Disney parks but the parking lots are dark and only lightly patroled.
Universal gets a little scary after dark. Lots of groups for "Youths" hanging out and drinking in the bars.
 
I really wonder about the legalities of signs that say "No guns allowed." I have a feeling there are state laws covering that, but I'm ignorant of what it is (I live in Florida). I always ignore the signs and carry anyway unless it's stated in the concealed weapon carry laws that you can't carry (bars, sporting events, state and federal buildings, etc). Maybe a Florida lawyer will comment. In my ignorant and maybe wrong opinion, I have a right to carry by law. If a company is open to serve the public, they cannot override the state or federal law. It would be like asking me to leave because of my skin color. They are open to the public, they have to serve all unless a law is being broken ("no shirt, no shoes, no service" as posted in places to eat). If it's a business not open to serve the public, that's different. Glad to hear you can carry at Wally World in Florida. Ordinary people carrying concealed weapons is the best defense against a nut who starts a shooting spree from killing lots of people.
Allan Schisel
 
Allan, you are wrong. A company in Florida doesnt have to allow people to carry concealed, even if it is legal. They can't descriminate against race or religion, but they can certainly forbid people from carrying weapons.

Disney is private property. If they told you had to go barefooted, you would have to go barefooted or leave.
 
Is that the same Disney organization that poured millions of dollars into Michael Moore's leftist extremist "documentary"?

They refused to distribute his latest project, however, due the controversy surrounding the first... so while they are no doubt left leaning, they do listen to what people say.
 
They only listen when their wallet is at risk

They were afraid of a backlash of "Red" Americans skipping their trips to see The Mouse.
 
I really wonder about the legalities of signs that say "No guns allowed." I have a feeling there are state laws covering that, but I'm ignorant of what it is (I live in Florida).
They are absolutely meaningless in Florida. If the business catches you carrying, they can ask you to leave their property and have you arrested for tresspass if you refuse.
 
I have been to the Orlando area 3 times since obtaining my Florida non-res CCW. Each time I have been to either Disney, Universal Studios, or both. Each time I have carried, and at no time did I see a sign telling me that I wasn't welcome.

Since 9/11, Disney has had security guards checking bags, fanny packs etc. Once, it was all I could do to keep from laughing while the guard went through my fanny pack containing my wallet, cell phone, FRS radio, small 2 meter radio, etc. while my 642 resided less than 6" away in a pocket holster. He didn't ask if I was carrying, and I didn't offer to tell. After all, "concealed is concealed."
 
They are not YET using metal detector (They are thinking about installing them).

that's pretty funny .. it'll never happen .. I would love to know who you heard that from ...

as for carrying on property .. yea you can by Florida law .. and yes they can ask you to leave and tresspass you if you refuse and they will ...

for those who have actual carried while in the park let me ask this .. did you really feel the need to have your gun on you at any point while you where there ? did you think about the risk involved in discharging a firearm around that many people ? on the very off chance you need to fire your weapon it isn't exactly 7/11 where if you miss your gonna hit a Coke can .. your more likely to hit a small child or family ...

for the record .. I live about 5 minutes from WDW .. I'm an annual pass holder so I spend alot of time in the parks .. probably more than any of you together .. plus I've actually worked in the Magic Kingdom .. in all my years of spending time on property I have NEVER felt the need to have my gun .. I don't carry when I go in the parks .. the last thing I want is the extra weight on me when I'm walking around .. sitting on rides and standing in lines ...

I know there are some that say it's their right to carry and your a sheep if you don't bring your gun with you wherever you go and I'm a fool for not always carrying mine ...

in the unlikely situation that some nutjob brings a gun in and starts going to town I'm going to get the hell out of the way like everyone else I'm not going to try and shoot them .. I'd be to damn worried about what I might hit if I miss ...

this is just one of those subjects that gets brought up from time to time on different boards and it just annoys me ...

and btw .. if your from out of FL and comming here on vacation please don't drive .. take cabs or stay on Disney property and use their transportation .. I am just getting more and more tired of all the stupid tourists here .. and you will never understand till you live here and put up with it every day .. I think I'm done ranting now .. feel better now too .. thanks :)
 
There have been a couple of news articles where Disney has said they were testing metal detectors at the parks. I don't remember which park specifically, or if it was both, but it is something they looked into. I doubt they'll announce it if they decide against installing detectors though.
 
I am just getting more and more tired of all the stupid tourists here ..

You sure are a friendly sort of guy. You do realize FL has no state income tax because of the revenue generated from all the stupid tourists, right?

I am curious, are you a native Floridian or a Yankee that was transplanted down here?

By the way, I am a passholder too, and have never felt the need to use my weapon in the parks either, but then again, I have never had to use it anywhere else.

If I chose to carry only when I thought I would need it, then I guess I would never carry, now would I?
 
did you really feel the need to have your gun on you at any point while you where there ? did you think about the risk involved in discharging a firearm around that many people ? on the very off chance you need to fire your weapon it isn't exactly 7/11 where if you miss your gonna hit a Coke can .. your more likely to hit a small child or family ...

Yes. I feel the need to carry everywhere, not just WDW. Nope, didn't think about discharging a firearm around "that many people." There are small children and families walking around my local Walmart parking lot and at times it is more crowded than Main Street at WDW. Do you recommend not carrying there in the off chance the use of deadly force is needed, I miss the BG and possibly hit an innocent?
 
This is another one of those threads where it is asked Why do you need to ccw in X (church,movies,theme park, game, etc..) I don't carry a gun because I think I will need it. I carry a gun in case I need it. And the biggest threat going to WDW would most likely be buying gas on the way there, or in the parking lot, etc.

I don't wait until I see that I am going to be in a car wreck to put on my seat belt. Just read the current thread on puppy's home invasion. I am amazed at how often this stuff comes up, and I just don't understand the mentality.
 
FL.= hot, over priced, high crime , terrible drivers, but most of all its Gods waiting room. Yes I've been their and see no reason to go back.
 
FL.= hot, over priced, high crime , terrible drivers, but most of all its Gods waiting room. Yes I've been their and see no reason to go back.
Add rampant poverty and violent, lower class drug-crime to the equation, and you're describing Jacksonville perfectly. That's why I moved to Georgia :barf:
 
and btw .. if your from out of FL and comming here on vacation please don't drive .. take cabs or stay on Disney property and use their transportation .. I am just getting more and more tired of all the stupid tourists here .. and you will never understand till you live here and put up with it every day .. I think I'm done ranting now .. feel better now too .. thanks

Maybe you should reconsider ever carrying a firearm.... Yep Florida BTDT and have to go back again. :( Only 2 weeks this time. Drivers in FL don't understand a YELLOW light means prepare to STOP for red. NOT (Drive faster and if it turns red/faster yet) They road rage you because you are stuck in traffic. (car ahead/beside me going 2mph under limt) So he pulls into center left turn lane and trys to smash me into other traffic. 3x.
Florida drives are the WORST. They beat Kalif and any college town during openeing week of classes. It is raining (normal daily thing in winter) Florida folks still drive 75+ and wipe out. I was following a FLoridian who was doing over 75+ in rain and said heck with it. I still BEAT HIM home because I had his address/wife had map we drove strait he stayed on interstate and major accident ahead. Ha ha. (on speeder not on injured people)
Yep FLorida where neighbor of wife was the 6th person in her church to be carjacked in broad daylight at grocery store.
I had a gun prepositioned there but now have to decide if its worth it (fly tsa/ I will have to wait in secure area for over a hour so bags will be unattended)for two weeks or just pick up one locally.
 
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They are absolutely meaningless in Florida. If the business catches you carrying, they can ask you to leave their property and have you arrested for tresspass if you refuse.

Same applies in Oklahoma. If a business catches you then personally you shouldn't be packing and probably need more training in the area of concealment. :rolleyes:
 
I'll bet Disneyworld in Anaheim CA, is not nearly as friendly to CCW.

The thing about California is, if you're lucky enough to get a CCW Permit, you can carry it almost anywhere. CA isn't shall-issue, so no businesses expect anyone to be carrying-thus no need to post signs/have an anti-CCW policy.
 
I really wonder about the legalities of signs that say "No guns allowed." I have a feeling there are state laws covering that, but I'm ignorant of what it is (I live in Florida). I always ignore the signs and carry anyway unless it's stated in the concealed weapon carry laws that you can't carry (bars, sporting events, state and federal buildings, etc). Maybe a Florida lawyer will comment. In my ignorant and maybe wrong opinion, I have a right to carry by law. If a company is open to serve the public, they cannot override the state or federal law. It would be like asking me to leave because of my skin color. They are open to the public, they have to serve all unless a law is being broken ("no shirt, no shoes, no service" as posted in places to eat). If it's a business not open to serve the public, that's different. Glad to hear you can carry at Wally World in Florida. Ordinary people carrying concealed weapons is the best defense against a nut who starts a shooting spree from killing lots of people.
Allan Schisel

Allan, I would like to politely correct you on one point, since it falls within my area of knowledge:

There is NO LAW or health department requirement (or anything else) requiring patrons to wear shoes or shirts in eating establishments or any other business.

This is a commonly believed myth, which unfortunately has a detrimental effect on those of us who choose, as a lifestyle, comfort, and health issue to be barefoot much of the time. I have come across a website for the Society for Barefoot Living www.barefooters.org that does a lot to dispel many myths about going barefoot. They have solicited replies from the health departments of all 50 states (plus territories, I think), and not one has responded with anything but words to the effect of "there is no law against bare feet." The site lays out why this is not unreasonable.

Now, as regards guns on Disney property, there are still stores in Florida that post "no guns" on signs. I know that The Sports Authority did, and probably still does. I have never failed to carry when going there, because of the absurdity of the notion that barring licensed CCW holders from having guns there makes anyone safer. What I have come to know is that although they may have a rule against guns, there is no penalty at law for breaking their rule, unless you are found to have a gun there, asked to leave, and then refuse to. That becomes trespassing. If a cop shows up and in his presence you are asked to leave and you won't, he'll get you on that. But as far as I know, not on any firearms crime. (Although, I have to wonder if that would be "armed trespass" or something?)

Some people have posted that Disney would ask you to put your gun in your car, or in a locker. WHAT?! PLEASE tell me that no one here would DO that! First, there's the chance of you having your gun stolen! Second, WE NEED TO TELL THEM, WITH OUR BOYCOTTED DOLLARS, THAT WE DEMAND OUR RIGHTS BE RESPECTED. Putting the gun in the car tells them that we're kowtowing to their anti-gun-rights policy. Walking away even though it "ruins" our vacation sends a clear, strong message to management, that we won't be abused without repercussions.

Blue skies,
-Jeffrey
 
as for carrying on property .. yea you can by Florida law .. and yes they can ask you to leave and tresspass you if you refuse and they will ...

for those who have actual carried while in the park let me ask this .. did you really feel the need to have your gun on you at any point while you where there ? did you think about the risk involved in discharging a firearm around that many people ? on the very off chance you need to fire your weapon it isn't exactly 7/11 where if you miss your gonna hit a Coke can .. your more likely to hit a small child or family ...

Nightwolfe,
The first part of what I quoted here is absolutely true, to my knowledge.

The second part is what I take issue with.

Others have already posted to the effect of "you don't carry a gun because you think you'll need it; but in case you'll need it."

It is not unreasonable to wish to carry a gun for protection on the drive to and from Disney; while shopping around town; while gassing up your car... etc. First of all, there is no guarantee that one won't be victimized and need his gun somewhere within Disney. Life does not always imitate a Disney commercial where everyone is happy and the place is safe and peaceful. Nuts can go crazy anywhere. Not every location in the park will render it unsafe to discharge a firearm at a violent criminal, endangering children and families. It's far too simplistic to paint a picture of that and use it as an argument against carrying at all in Disney. Carrying a gun does not necessitate using a gun. One still has one's discretion. If it were too dangerous to use the gun because I'd risk hitting bystanders behind the perp, well, duh, I wouldn't.

But if one will be around town in seven different places during the day, how can one have his gun with him for places 1, 2, 3, 6, and 7, but somehow leave it behind for places 4 & 5?? That would require him to leave it in his car, where it is out of his sight and may possibly be stolen (by exactly the kind of character you don't want to have it, axiomatically and tautologically).

The reasonable alternative is to carry it full-time. If, say, one were going to the library and they barred CCW in the library, that would mean that if you wanted to obey the library rule, you'd have to leave your gun at home. If your errands took you from the library to the supermarket and other places, you'd be unarmed the whole time. I find that unreasonable and I won't do it.

-Jeffrey
 
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