Do I need a .45GAP?
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Ash
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Well, 41 AE and 41 Colt are both gone.
Hometeached1
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I say if you have the funds and want it, go for it, if just for the fun of having people on the range trying to figure out how you have .45 cal brass coming out of your 9mm frame Glock!
For those of you who insist the 45 GAP is a solution to a non existent problem, I disagree.
I am not new to handguns. I've had a PA LTCF for 40 yrs. and for 30 of those carried some type of 1911 (mostly Colts).
I have small hands for a man, and the G21/G30 platform was def like a brick. When the G30SF came out I went for it. Best shooting 45ACP out of the box that I have ever owned.
Then I started reading about the 45GAP. I started with the G37, but found it a bit big for EDC. I traded it and got my first G38. Love at first grasp for me. Excellent accuracy, minimal recoil for a 45. A 200 gr Speer GDHP with 50 to 75 fps faster than the same in 45ACP, what's not to like? I have 3 of them now and 1 G39. (Yes, I pocket carry it in a Remora.) I just ordered my 2nd G39 today, should be in later this week.
I placed an order for 500 rounds 2 months ago and it was $20 less then the 45ACP. I don't think $185 for 500 rounds is too much to pay for such a great round. The fact that it is equal to std. pressure 45 ACP in a 9mm size frame, for those of us who do have smaller hands isn't such a bad thing.
Is the GAP going to replace the ACP, no not ever, nor was that the intention of Glock to that. It was simply to provide those who couldn't handle the thick blocky grips of the 45 Glocks to be able to still shoot a 45 caliber round. It has met that purpose IMHO.
If you want to own one, I can highly recommend it. For those of you who seem to have no use for it, do yourself a favor and borrow or rent one and at least try it for yourself.
You might be pleasantly surprised at the excellent handling, low recoil and high accuracy of the 45 GAP.
As always, stay safe.
I am not new to handguns. I've had a PA LTCF for 40 yrs. and for 30 of those carried some type of 1911 (mostly Colts).
I have small hands for a man, and the G21/G30 platform was def like a brick. When the G30SF came out I went for it. Best shooting 45ACP out of the box that I have ever owned.
Then I started reading about the 45GAP. I started with the G37, but found it a bit big for EDC. I traded it and got my first G38. Love at first grasp for me. Excellent accuracy, minimal recoil for a 45. A 200 gr Speer GDHP with 50 to 75 fps faster than the same in 45ACP, what's not to like? I have 3 of them now and 1 G39. (Yes, I pocket carry it in a Remora.) I just ordered my 2nd G39 today, should be in later this week.
I placed an order for 500 rounds 2 months ago and it was $20 less then the 45ACP. I don't think $185 for 500 rounds is too much to pay for such a great round. The fact that it is equal to std. pressure 45 ACP in a 9mm size frame, for those of us who do have smaller hands isn't such a bad thing.
Is the GAP going to replace the ACP, no not ever, nor was that the intention of Glock to that. It was simply to provide those who couldn't handle the thick blocky grips of the 45 Glocks to be able to still shoot a 45 caliber round. It has met that purpose IMHO.
If you want to own one, I can highly recommend it. For those of you who seem to have no use for it, do yourself a favor and borrow or rent one and at least try it for yourself.
You might be pleasantly surprised at the excellent handling, low recoil and high accuracy of the 45 GAP.
As always, stay safe.
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Good post MrGlock45.
Very actually realize that 45gap was never intended to replace any other cartridge. It was a solution for those with smaller hands or built who want to carry or conceal a 45 caliber yet not compromising on capacity. Good show indeed.
Most likely I will get one with handsome amount of rounds to occasionally shoot and for collections sake. Why the hell not. I have so much other metal laying around with no justification anymore.
Very actually realize that 45gap was never intended to replace any other cartridge. It was a solution for those with smaller hands or built who want to carry or conceal a 45 caliber yet not compromising on capacity. Good show indeed.
Most likely I will get one with handsome amount of rounds to occasionally shoot and for collections sake. Why the hell not. I have so much other metal laying around with no justification anymore.
Ash
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Yeah, but early and vocal supporters of the GAP seemed to make the biggest mistake as they were the ones crowing that the 45ACP was going to go away. Even so, Glock could have redesigned their pistols for the ACP round, Springfield Armory showed it could be done. Needlessly thick magazines and a cavernous gap behind the grip well contributed more to blocky 45acp Glocks than the ACP round itself. Instead, Glock copied the .45 Truvelo. The latter failed, as the former is on that way.
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I've got a 37, and it's the only .45 anything Glock I've ever been able to get my hands around. Folks whose hands aren't too small for a 21 will never see the point, hence all the 'answer to a question nobody asked' responses.
It's not merely marketing that put GAP's in the hands of so many LE agencies, either; agencies that wanted a .45 and had a number of female officers have always struggled with the 21 size frame, and had to either allow alternate models or make officers shoot guns physically too large for their hands. With the GAP models, they could have one .45 that didn't put any officer at a disadvantage.
I for one would LOVE to get an SA EMP in .45 GAP.
Larry
It's not merely marketing that put GAP's in the hands of so many LE agencies, either; agencies that wanted a .45 and had a number of female officers have always struggled with the 21 size frame, and had to either allow alternate models or make officers shoot guns physically too large for their hands. With the GAP models, they could have one .45 that didn't put any officer at a disadvantage.
I for one would LOVE to get an SA EMP in .45 GAP.
Larry
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So what is it that has the agencies getting rid of them?
I'm not sure why either NY or PA State Police are transitioning away from the GAP. What I do know is that more PA troopers shot Marksman with the GAP than they had with any previous weapons. I also know that all of the officer involved shootings that took place in both NY and PA ended with the perps going down quickly, when the GAP was used. To me that says the round works. Isn't that what we all are looking for in a handgun?
A weapon that stops the threat as quickly as possible without any injury to the good guy.
I qualified with 3 different models of Colt 45ACP back in the 90's. when I was ACT 235 lethal weapons certified. My score was 149/150, so I know the ACP is a very formidable caliber. Having that kind of accuracy, and (knock down power, if there is such a thing,) in a more user friendly pkg. (the GAP) to me is worth it. YMMV as well as your opinions. For me the GAP is the perfect combo of ergonomics and usefulness as a self-defense caliber.
Those of you who constantly berate the GAP for the most part, have never shot a gun in that caliber. Try it, you might just like it.
A weapon that stops the threat as quickly as possible without any injury to the good guy.
I qualified with 3 different models of Colt 45ACP back in the 90's. when I was ACT 235 lethal weapons certified. My score was 149/150, so I know the ACP is a very formidable caliber. Having that kind of accuracy, and (knock down power, if there is such a thing,) in a more user friendly pkg. (the GAP) to me is worth it. YMMV as well as your opinions. For me the GAP is the perfect combo of ergonomics and usefulness as a self-defense caliber.
Those of you who constantly berate the GAP for the most part, have never shot a gun in that caliber. Try it, you might just like it.
I don't understand why they can't squeeze in an extra mm and have .45 ACP coming out of the same glock.
Ash
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I certainly don't dislike it, but since a Springfield P9 in 45acp fits my hand like a glove and provides superb reliability and accuracy, I never saw a need to replace it.
Walt Sherrill
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Is there a newer P9 in .45 that I'm not familiar with, or did Springfield and Tanfoglio sneak out a race gun in .45 based on the CZ pattern in years past?
The only P9s I've seen were in 9mm, but in looking through the Fjestad Blue Book, I see vague references to some versions in .40 and .38 super, based on the 9mm P9 race gun. No mention of .45 however.
Got photos you can share? Or is this an Xd variant?
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Ash
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Walt, I have the knack for getting the unusual variants. He it is. You'll notice the P9 frame contours (which are the same as the AT-84s). I also have a Tanfoglio P-45 steel gun with the Tanfoglio machining contours.
As to needs and problems, I would agree with Test Pilot. Those who have hands too small for a full-size Glock 45acp who do not want 9mm or 40S&W but want to retain the Glock platform instead of transitioning to the SA XD would have to go with the GAP. The trouble is that number is too small. Glock had to know this, though, and I suspect a bit of hubris was at play and they thought they might rob quite a bit of market share from ACP platforms directly. Certainly some ACP shooters here went for it. But it remained too few, and law enforcement could not be enticed to go with it (law enforcement still seems to prefer higher round counts over higher bullet diameter).
As to needs and problems, I would agree with Test Pilot. Those who have hands too small for a full-size Glock 45acp who do not want 9mm or 40S&W but want to retain the Glock platform instead of transitioning to the SA XD would have to go with the GAP. The trouble is that number is too small. Glock had to know this, though, and I suspect a bit of hubris was at play and they thought they might rob quite a bit of market share from ACP platforms directly. Certainly some ACP shooters here went for it. But it remained too few, and law enforcement could not be enticed to go with it (law enforcement still seems to prefer higher round counts over higher bullet diameter).
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ASH said:
I'm envious. I have a custom AT-84s, which may be my favorite gun. I once had an ASAI ONE-PRO and foolishly let it go. (The factory trigger was TOO light for me, and very slick... never had the sense to put in heavier springs!! I will, eventually, have another.) I've now got another gun to keep my eye open for...
I found the Tanfoglio .45s to be a far better fit for me than the CZ-97B, which I owned later, and better than some other .45s, too.
It's a shame that EAA can't get it's corporate head out of it's warm, dark place and improve customer service, or I'd have a NEW Witness from their top line.
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