I'm sorry if I appeared to be flaming you on the issue of the environment, but no matter how passionate you are on the polar ice caps melting...this is a gun forum.
What do people expect? Should the mods or the members here hold a big poll/vote so that we can all just say forget gun-issues, we need to worry about the border/immigration or global warming? This is a gun forum, not a place to suggest we worry about other issues.
That was my point, maybe I didn't send it across very well. I've whined about it in other threads, how we're not being focused here at all.
There's no focus. Morale is low. There is panic. We've been knocked off balance. Because of what? A lost election? GET IT BACK.
Yes, it is likely a Democrat president might win in 2008, however --- the BEST defense to AWB's has always, always, ALWAYS been control of the House. We can come out in 2008 and win back that house.
Of course "win back the house" doesn't mean much to people, when they are Democrats and to them, they already "have it" ...
So now we've come to the meat of the matter. The quintessential question. When will the gun movement go back to supporting and viewing the GOP as the party of gun rights? When will this little social-experiment in supporting the libertarian party be seen as a miserable failure? When will this social experiment of "punishing" the Republicans for not repealing the 34,68,89 bans be viewed as foolish and unrealistic?
I'll tell you when, when the majority of gun owners feel the painful sting of a ban. I hate to say it, but the masses sometimes only learn the hard way.
That's what has to change. Even with a Democrat victory, even with all this panicking and AWB doomsday talk...people still don't see any viable option. Just defeatism. Just a concession that all is lost - screw the cause, and go out and buy all the mags and EBR's you can!!!! Yay!
What good is your AR and magazines going to do if we give up? You think you guys are going to save the country by stocking up on pre-ban lowers and magazines? Pure BS. It's just a selfish desire to personally own something that won't be legal down the road. Again, which is why it is pointless to go panic buying.
Wouldn't it be better to stop being a defeatist and start changing the SUBJECT of discussion within our own movement? Wouldn't it be better to defeat a ban so you don't have to go panic shopping in an effort to secure 30rd magazines so that you can be 90 years old and say you have one of these taboo items?
Don't confuse this with outside people. I don't accuse anyone of misrepresenting the cause to moderates. However, within our ranks, within the pro-gun community, the atmosphere is pretty dismal.
Remember something, those anti-gun scumbags won most of their seats by 1%...many with less than 1,000 votes. They won in what is traditionally a bad year for incumbents. They won in a year when 100 other extremely damaging issues were on the public's mind . They won in a time where our president is extremely hated.
Despite this MASSIVE disadvantage of literally epic proportions, they only managed to win individual seats by a few percentage points. Few people got blown out.
They are weak. We can take it back. The #1 defense against bans is ownership of the House. The Senate is too moderate/liberal due to the fact they are elected by whole states which include urban areas, presidents are scum.....the House is where its at. And not only that, but House seats are the easiest to win...
We need the House back with someone like Tom Delay to come out on TV, and say "we're not going to bring the AWB to the floor for a vote"...bold, in your face. The House GOP leadership openly said forget it, it's not going to happen, there will be no floor vote. AWB renewal - dead. That's what they did in 2004. They said it openly - no floor vote. A clear NO.
Unfortunately, that wasn't good enough for some people.
Like OLEG says, it is time to start beating back gun control ideas right now. We have 2 years to go till we have another political shot. For now, it is defeat gun control ideas. A good start to that is being more constructive, and less hysterical around here.