When the rioting began, Ford tried to negotiate with those involved, but "they weren't interested in that."
Rioters NOT interested in negotiating a peace - no kiddin'?
junyo, great post - here, here! (or is it "hear, hear"?)
When the rioting began, Ford tried to negotiate with those involved, but "they weren't interested in that."
You said it yourself, you are not black America. You are American. So it is not your problem. However, there are plenty of black Americans who are black Americans who like to get their panties in an uproar when William Bennett says aborting black babies is impossible, ridiculous, and morally reprehensible. That black America follows their leaders without fail and continues to be victims of society and they continue to riot and loot when ever they get a chance. Maybe someday they will just be plain old Americans, but right now, they continue to claim the title of "black America" and follow their "black leaders" down the continued path of slavery. So yeah, my statement stands, black America needs to pull their heads out. Has anyone heard Jesse, Louis, or Al denounce these riots and call for their people to act like responsible adults? Of course not.This part of black America was 500 miles away, shot a round of clays that morning and then watched "Jeeves and Wooster" videos with his girlfriend - how is this vaguely my problem?
Take everything you said above and replace the "Nazis" with "Jews". How would you sound any different than a Nazi? I mean if you think about it, those Jews killed Jesus and wanted the Christians dead for trying to spread something counter to what they believed.
That is a good way to look at it I suppose. However, I still don't know if I buy into this black America isn't all listening and following the leaders I mistakenly thought were leaders. Race is a strong bond within the black community. Just last week we were looking at the William Bennett comments in my class and a few black students just couldn't accept anything other than what he said was wrong. Then again, there were a few who seemed to get it.They are selected for being controversial not for being representative. Are we also to believe that the shirtless trailer dwellers on COPS are "White America" and Ted Kennedy and David Dukes "White Leaders"?
If I ever see a neo nazi parade, I'll be hard pressed to avoid getting out my best Mosin, securing a rooftop and blowing their faces through the backs of their heads. Laws aside, nazis have no right to breath air and should be killed on sight. Just because the government can't do it doesn't mean it's not the citizen's obligation.
And when did the Jews riot or march or herd millions of Christians and Muslums into camps and exterminate them, I must have missed it while I was in Hebrew school?????
STAGE 2 said:All of this is bogus. From a constitutional perspective, there isn't ANY freedom that is absolute. Denying these skinheaded, swastika wearing, dirtbags the freedom of pubic assembly is well within the confines of the first amendment. If they want to sit around and heil hitler within the confines of their basements then fine, just don't do it on mainstreet usa.
I'm all for free speech, stupid speech, hateful speech and just about any speech that the constitution allows. However, my granddad didn't kick ass at normandy some 60 years ago just so some snotty ACLU attorney can give a wannabe adolf his 15 minutes of fame.
it is easy to imagine a lit torch or a molotov cocktail being thrown through an broken window
Here Here Cosmo. We agree on something. If a large group of elephants were marching in my neighborhood, that would be an action. I would gear up, Nagant a blazing. 20 guys dressed up like busboys with armbands doesn't bother me.
Powderman said:On the contrary--
that is EXACTLY why your grandfather went to Normandy. That's why Americans have fought, bled and died over the years--so that ANYONE within the borders of our Nation can freely speak their mind, and speak their view--freely, without fear and without hesitation.
QuickDraw said:"I hate them worse than antis, worse than Californians, worse than poison. THEY MUST DIE."
Crimanny!!
Don't shoot,I'm one of the good guys!
I'm guilty for the state I live in?!
Blind hatred is never a good thing.
QuickDraw
Cosmo, thank god you are in alaska.
Hey Cosmoline, the dry-cleaners called, your Brown Shirt is ready. The SA has made you an honorary member. They applaud your deep understanding of the need for citizens to take action against undersirables. They only disagree with you over who the 'undesirables' are.
So am I!QuickDraw said:"I hate them worse than antis, worse than Californians, worse than poison. THEY MUST DIE."
Crimanny!!
Don't shoot,I'm one of the good guys!
I'm guilty for the state I live in?!
Blind hatred is never a good thing.
QuickDraw
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1221169In the days leading up to a white supremacist march, ministers pleaded with residents to stay calm and community leaders organized peace rallies.
http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051006/NEWS16/510060396Ms. Moore said the NAACP is urging black youths to not even dignify the group's event.
"I have already talked with some of the members of the religious community and the regional director of the Ohio Civil Rights Commission and we will be doing something proactive so this doesn't turn into some kind of race war," she said.
Race relations in LaGrange had been tense recently. African-Americans had moved into the historically Polish neighborhood north of downtown Toledo for years without much visible tension. Last year, however, when organizers of the annual Polish Fest required that minors be accompanied by parents, many people noticed that only black kids were turned away while white kids were allowed in by themselves. It was an incident that still upsets many local African-Americans, says Toledo City Councilman Frank Szollosi. This summer, an argument over gang activity erupted when LaGrange resident Thomas Szych, who is white, complained that local African-American children were dealing drugs and made hundreds of calls of complaints to local police. In interviews with Toledo media, Szych described two African-American police officers as "gorillas with guns." But the police found little evidence of gangs in the neighborhood.
Many in LaGrange, including members of the police, now believe Szych may have had something to do with the Roanoke Nazis deciding to visit Toledo. Szych denies any involvement. But soon after the police cordon began pushing back against the Saturday crowds, sending mobs of people through the neighborhood, one of the first buildings attacked was Szych's house, about three blocks away. Rocks and bricks were hurled through the windows and Szych appeared on his porch, firing warning shots into the air, according to news reports by the Toledo Blade.
The release gave this information, it said, "uniformed members of the National Socialist Movement will march through a gang ridden North Toledo neighborhood October 15th in brown shirts and swastikas and challenge two local black gangs that have made racial threats against white residents to come out and stop them."
Toledo Police Chief Mike Navarre said in a news conference addressing the release that they are well aware of the gang problem in Toledo. He also described the complaints of gang activity in the Bronson Street area as "exaggerated."
Over on Bronson Avenue, John Szych had just spent 40 minutes telling a Blade reporter that he held the neo-Nazis in contempt for the way he and his son, Thomas Szych, felt they had been used by them.
Yes, the Szychs had an ongoing feud with reputed gang members in North Toledo. But Mr. Szych was emphatic that he in no way encouraged the neo-Nazis to intervene and gather here on their behalf.
Around 11:55 a.m., everyone in the neighborhood heard the same thing: A loud boom.
Police had just fired the first of what eventually would become a countless number of tear gas canisters deployed on Mulberry Street to break up hostile mobs.
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"I ain't takin' this," he fumed, making a beeline for a back room where he said he had been storing a handgun. He returned to the porch, which by then had been trashed by the mob, and fired six warning shots.
"You want more?" he yelled.
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At one point, a white passer-by sneered as the melee gained momentum.
"Got what you wanted, John?" asked the man, who refused to give his name.
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Three or four neighbors came over while Mr. Szych was being interviewed, backing up what he said about past violence.
Those who gathered on Mr. Szych's lawn prior to yesterday's riots claimed the problems go beyond reputed gang activity. They said there has been prostitution, break-ins, graffiti involving racial slurs, and daylight beatings and robberies of women.
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Mr. Szych said he has had absolutely no contact with the neo-Nazis and is willing to do whatever it takes to prove it to authorities. He said he has offered to let the FBI examine his telephone records and his computer.
He said he met privately with area preachers at the Erase the Hate event at the Zablocki Center on Lagrange Street.
"I explicitly told them this was not our doing," he said.