Energy fears looming, new survivalists prepare

[762 shooter]

This will all work out.

Populations will do nothing to fix any problems untill they become uncomfortable, (read starving, cold, thirsty, sick, or poor).

At the low point of these economic cycles an individual has the responsibility to keep his family and his self alive until the cycle corrects. This could be hours or months or years.

Humans will achieve equilibrium because, and I don't care what you say, no one likes to just survive any longer than they have to. The world works by people making life easier for other people which in turn makes their life easier.

Dictators and tyrants work for a while but have no staying power.

Serenity Now. Bad A$$ Later

Learn your skills now do not wait.

This has nothing to do with the OP. My bad. I guess this post will cycle into nothingness as cycles go.

+1 Mr Rogers electricity post.

 

[sacp81170a]

Learn your skills now do not wait.

This has nothing to do with the OP. My bad. I guess this post will cycle into nothingness as cycles go.

Actually, it has more to do with my OP than quite a few. Firearms and the skill to use them have a value that generally those on this forum accept. It's the masses of fence sitters who the anti's are desparately trying to convince that "guns are only good for killing" that we need to enlighten. Firearms are essential tools. They aren't the only tools we need, but when we need them there's no good substitute. Preparedness covers a broad spectrum of skills but more importantly it includes the mindset that comes from being ready to rely on oneself and one's neighbors and friends more than the government for basic necessities.

 

[yokel]

Dictators and tyrants work for a while but have no staying power.

Burma's brutal military junta rulers, who seized power in 1962, have weathered widespread outside ostracism for decades and will remain in absolute power so long as they remain united.

Not to mention North Korea's Dear Leader Kim Jong-il and his father Kim Il-sung.

 

[Checkman]

The Tourist Quote:

I agree with most of your post. I also see the need to live without senselessly wasting items. I cast bullets and reload. My wife uses every coupon we can find.

The problem with your post is the idea that answers to American problems must come from outside the country. For example, I haven't read a post yet from a foreigner on a hobbyist forum where they don't take the opportunity to tell us what's wrong with America.

(And all of the time they sit in front of an American computer, in American blue jeans drinking Coca Cola.)

The reason I say this is that I went to college on one of the liberal campuses during the Vietnam War, clearly one of the most divisive among our people.

Yes, it probably was a good experience for me, but only to examine and validate my own core beliefs on right and wrong.

Oh heck no I'm not saying that the only good ideas come from outside of the United States. However sometimes it doesn't hurt to see what others are doing and then adapt those practices or ideas. Perhaps even improve on them.

I'm a great believe in the United States and I know that this country is very flexible. We are actually very good at making oursleves over and it seems to me that we are at our best when facing adversity. But I don't believe in the If it wasn't invented here it's no good school of thought.

Like you I also went to college and experimented with different ideas. However when the four years were all said and done with (and I had my piece of paper) I was a more solid and confident conservative then before I went into college. I believe it's because college put me into a different enviroment and made me actually think about my ideas and beliefs.

I have no problem in immersing myself in a culture. The idea is how this added knowledge enhances my life, not on how someone else recruits another voice.

I agree with you again. At the end of my three years in Germany I was not a memeber of the Green Party and I would hardly consider myself a Socialist. After Germany we were stationed in New York for 3.5 years. When we returned to Idaho I was still a solid Conservative and I actually re-joined the NRA after a ten year lapse while in New York. Nothing like living behind enemy lines to make you appreciate what you have.

I was just pointing out that the Germans did some things that I thought made alot of sense. Also we did not live among the wealthy Liberal elite of Germany. Our landlord and neighbors were farmers. Real salt of the Earth types who butchered and cleaned their own pigs and horses in the Fall and used Geothermal power to heat the house that we lived in. They had their own lift to work on the vehicles and would go hunting for Wild Pig and Deer in the nearby woods. They were good people and I liked them.

Yes I said horse. It's a strong tasting meat, but not to bad once you get past the idea that you're eating Flicka.

 

[mbt2001]

uhhhhh

Listen, what concerns me and should concern everyone at the moment isn't peak oil or the latest disaster theory but the below, which is virtually sure to happen in the next 5 years as we are virtually locked in to this course.

1.) Gas prices continue to go up, putting strain on budgets, commodity prices continue to go up, and combined with fuel prices and declining dollar rise even more than they would normally in "boom" circumstances.

2.) Police, city, state budgets are squeezed by utility bills, gas bills and inflation of commodities / building materials

2b.) They cannot just tax more as we are in the same boat they are.

3.) More people "cut" their expenses to deal with the higher CORE expenses. That leads to diners closing, fast food joints losing money, car dealerships, furniture stores et cetera. My guess is that cities, states, fed start cutting entitlement / charity programs...

4.) Lay offs and crime go up respectively

Problems become more accute...

Guns and Ammo are more affordable today than they will be tomorrow.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080526/ap_on_re_us/bike_police_gas

 

[sacp81170a]

Precisely.

4.) Lay offs and crime go up respectively

5.) Fence sitters wake up too late and realize that they're restricted from obtaining the best tools to defend themselves because they failed to take an active role in protecting their RKBA.

This is the nightmare scenario. 5 years ago, someone outlining this situation would have been accused of needing a tinfoil hat. Now it ain't so far fetched.

I'm not saying we should try to take advantage of other people's panic. I am saying that we should calmly point out that their ability to make adequate preparations for the hard times that may be coming is being jeopardized by the mindless nanny-staters and their desire to ban anything more dangerous than a nerf bat.

 

[walking arsenal]

Burma's brutal military junta rulers, who seized power in 1962, have weathered widespread outside ostracism for decades and will remain in absolute power so long as they remain united.

Not to mention North Korea's Dear Leader Kim Jong-il and his father Kim Il-sung.

Thats because they don't have anything our government wants.

 

[lacoochee]

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Burma's brutal military junta rulers, who seized power in 1962, have weathered widespread outside ostracism for decades and will remain in absolute power so long as they remain united.

Not to mention North Korea's Dear Leader Kim Jong-il and his father Kim Il-sung.
Thats because they don't have anything our government wants.

Funny, I always felt it is the opposite situation that allows regimes like this to continue. If you have something we (being the rest of the world not just the U.S.) want, e.g. oil, then you are very likely to be able to do anything you want to your own people as long as you keep whatever it is we want flowing. Which makes sense, since countries act in their own best self-interest (most of the time) just as people do.

I suppose it is both ways, if a country is not vital to a nations well being, it is ignored for the most part regardless of that country's excesses.

Personally, for my part I feel for the oppressed, I just don't believe it is our duty as a nation to police them.

 

[Mr_Rogers]

Which makes sense, since countries act in their own best self-interest (most of the time) just as people do.

Which makes sense, since the ruling parties in countries act in their own best self-interest (most of the time) just as people do.

Fixed it for you.

 

[The Tourist]

But I don't believe in the If it wasn't invented here it's no good school of thought.

I had a client over to my house last night, and we touched on several of these principles. I mentioned that I didn't understand on why we bothered re-establishing the royal family in Kuwait--which was a really big favor, considering what we got in return, nothing--but they demanded our women wear long sleeves.

My position is that if it wasn't invented here, it doesn't fit. I say this after purchasing mechanical parts through the mail. Finally, I just blew off the practice. I now only go to the "bar and shield."

What does a Chinese peasant and a French waiter know, embrace or care about my problems? Literally, nothing. Perhaps the foreigh aid.

Now, at the same moment these foreign powers are quick to tell us to spend less and live more "green," I don't see them also proffer that we fight fewer of their wars and export less charity and hard currency.

As I have told you, my Father pointed out the two-faced attitude of asking a foreigner for any help inside the USA. While the Vichy were dining with Nazis inside their own country some 9,000 American boys died inside their country for ideals they have never respected.

And now I'm supposed to sit down and discuss "global issues" on manufacturing, immigration and energy with people who truly view our people as a nation that uses too much fuel, but needs to send them an airline ticket to the good life.

If an answer to energy problems, commerce and domestic well-being are to be found, invented and implemented, it will be done by an American.

And like American drugs for AIDS, the moment a new technology in energy is discovered, these same nations will consider us selfishly stockpiling it.

I'm not convinced in the canard "no man is an island." We should cut back--and I mean way back--in any soldiers, technology and funding earmarked for overseas. Re-direct it into the search for new fuels and the repair of our own infrastructures.

I can deal with a mouthy French waiter, but I'd like cheaper fuel and American bridges that don't fall down from age.

 

[992]

After working that team of mules all day,and using a crosscut saw till dark to cut wood for the fire,you might not get spend much time at the gym,to workout and all.
I grew up with a outhouse,and carried water from the spring in a waterbucket,drank from that same bucketwith a dipper,too.
My grandfather was a Game Warden in the early 30's,and rode a horse all over these moutains of S.W. Virginia,up until a few years before his death in 1964.The last 4 years of his life he had an old jeep,that the Gov't gave him to ride.I got to ride with him on the horse when I was a kid in diapers,and rode the jeep too.
I woud not take anything for those memories,but don't kid yourself,it was a very hard life then,and I don't think many people today have it in them to live that way.

992

 

[PaulV]

It's a bit disturbing to see so many people who claim to be friends of freedom advocating a facist policy like population control.

There's more than enough nuclear fuel to meet our energy needs for thousands of years. If ever TV sets go dark you'll quickly see the "No Nukes" signs disappear.

 

[Lashlarue]

Anyone watch our illustrious congress give five oil execs the third degree last week.It seemed like the fox questionling the rooster about the chicken shortage.Who has blocked exploration on the Atlantic shelf, the Pacific shelf, ANWR, and the Florids straits.Who has voted against all 32 nuclear applications pending at the NRC. Who is sitting with their heads in the sand as the Chinese prepare to drill for oil 50 miles off the Florida coast.It damn sure ain't the oil companies.Our congress thinks we are all idiots and so far they are right as we havent voted the bastards out yet!

 

[hso]

We left the gun content a while back so this one can take a breather.