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An article in the latest edition of Handloader magazine says that Sig is considering making primers but nothing solid in the works yet.
Nothing from SIG USA is cheap...
An article in the latest edition of Handloader magazine says that Sig is considering making primers but nothing solid in the works yet.
My take also was the $100M was what spent by someone else previously.When the news broke a few months ago, I did a bit of research. It seems that plant was designated 'surplus' and abandoned by the government. That tells me the equipment is worn out. It's also sat idle for quite a while, so anything that worked has been removed, such as forklifts or other equipment that isn't specifically related to making ammunition. Frankly, if I was starting a new business, buying another company's worn out equipment is not the first thing I would do.
I have wondered about the $100 million figure, and I still think that is what the US Government invested originally.
How do you know they aren't doing this?Run existing lines at 100% plus capacity, 24/7.
Hmmm. So this “online vendor” says next spring but good ole Lucas says 2-3 months. And several posts above we have a buddy performing earth moving on site. I’m calling it all bogus. Nothing personal.I emailed an online vendor that advertises Expansion Industries primers.
They are said they toured the facility and expect there won't be any primers until the Spring of 2023.
I contacted the vendor after receiving an email from Lucas Smissen in mid August. He was replying to an email inquiry from me. In his email, he said they were going live on their website in the next 30-60 days with primers.
Also, in what I've seen, Expansion is using the existing buildings but different equipment.
BOATING? Hahahaha..Boating cheaper than shooting? never thought I would have heard that....Yes. But that doesn’t mean they will be any less expensive. Buy what you need when you need it and if you can afford it. If you can’t afford shooting, take up a cheaper hobby - like golf or boating.
Well said, but one nit. Please stop saying “federal money” as though it falls like manna from above…it’s my money (and yours).Okay, let’s go there to get some perspective. Intel is a multi-billion dollar corporation. They have the full support of the Federal, State and Local governments. Congress passed a spending bill to pay for a large chunk of the project and waive environmental regulations. The labor unions are paying skilled and unskilled union members to move to the project site. That’s a pretty big chunk of support - I’m almost tempted to call it an uprising - and it still has been stalled by a lack of labor. It might be finished by 2025 if the contractors show up, housing gets built and the EPA doesn’t shut the site down for light metals pollution after the waiver expires. Those forward thinking businessmen have more support than the drug companies did developing covid vaccines and they are getting billions in federal money to pay for it.
No. The huckster told the Texarkana Gazette they had invested $100 million. And someone here said the huckster later backtracked and said they are prepared to invest $100 million.My take also was the $100M was what spent by someone else previously.
FYI. Here's google maps satellite pic of their site. https://www.google.com/maps/place/E...787f0b62fbb9fb!8m2!3d33.4495484!4d-94.2469889
When the news broke a few months ago, I did a bit of research. It seems that plant was designated 'surplus' and abandoned by the government. That tells me the equipment is worn out. It's also sat idle for quite a while, so anything that worked has been removed, such as forklifts or other equipment that isn't specifically related to making ammunition. Frankly, if I was starting a new business, buying another company's worn out equipment is not the first thing I would do.
I have wondered about the $100 million figure, and I still think that is what the US Government invested originally.
Lucas said 30-60 days - 1-2 months, not 2-3.Hmmm. So this “online vendor” says next spring but good ole Lucas says 2-3 months. And several posts above we have a buddy performing earth moving on site. I’m calling it all bogus. Nothing personal.
what’s name of online vendor? I haven’t seen anyone advertise for expansion primers—including expansion themselves.
Bad mathLucas said 30-60 days - 1-2 months, not 2-3.
You can find the vendor if you do a google search 'expansion industries primers'. Because the person at the vendor replied to my email and because they are relying on getting primers from Expansion [I'm guessing they provided some funding], I'm uncomfortable naming them in an open forum.
All that said, I'm not convinced what they are up to. As mentioned, the Smissen's business background doesn't appear to support getting a $100M funding. The on going promise that primers are 'just around the corner' is typical of a scam. But, they appear to be occupying the site they said.
I'm watching the situation because it would be neat if primer capacity did come on line but I'm not planning to put out any cash to hold my place in line.
You beat me to it. Congress passed the semiconductor industry support bill giving trillions of dollars - directly and in-kind, combined - to build those plants. Including billions to Chinese firms to compete on US Soil. I guess I was wrong about there not being an uprising.
You know, since my early adulthood I’ve been an ultra free marketeer, or so I thought. Milton & Rose Friedman’s Free to Choose should be required reading in high school. (And if I weren’t a Christian believer, maybe Ayn Rand too.)Congresses passed, right AFTER Pukelosi hubs bought up massive blocks of stock shares!
Nothing to see here, nevermind.
Nice response....totally ignoring the fact that these plants were in progress long before the new government throwaways were passed. Taiwan Semi broke ground last year, Intel's new plant was announced in January. Sure...Biteme showed up for the Ohio groundbreaking...but it was a done deal with no federal involvement. Can't speak to the Micron development.Okay, let’s go there to get some perspective. Intel is a multi-billion dollar corporation. They have the full support of the Federal, State and Local governments. Congress passed a spending bill to pay for a large chunk of the project and waive environmental regulations. The labor unions are paying skilled and unskilled union members to move to the project site. That’s a pretty big chunk of support - I’m almost tempted to call it an uprising - and it still has been stalled by a lack of labor. It might be finished by 2025 if the contractors show up, housing gets built and the EPA doesn’t shut the site down for light metals pollution after the waiver expires. Those forward thinking businessmen have more support than the drug companies did developing covid vaccines and they are getting billions in federal money to pay for it.
Not since your last post.Just to get this thread off of socio-economic-political debates and back on topic before it gets shut down, I’ll ask has anyone heard any late news about Expansion Industries?
Hunh? What is bad math?Bad math
I’ve done more searches for this bogus story than I care to admit, but must be “dual wield supply”. They look sketchy too
Me…not being able to convert days to months Guess it should’ve been “bad AT math.”Hunh? What is bad math?
Looking at the decline in ammunition prices, one might wonder if primers will follow and that be the case.
It was during the previous politically driven hoarding/shortages.
Starting and maintaining a business can be tough no doubt but Vista is a publicly traded company and has a responsibility to it’s shareholders not someone else’s business.
Expecting Vista to enter into a contract and tie up funds for some possible, maybe, future, could be, doesn’t seem to be in their shareholders interest. Now you can add any sort of ulterior motive you want (and it may be true) but it’s only bidness.
Where have you been?There are no doubt many sitting on a stockpile of 22LR, but there are also many, or perhaps even more, buying 22LR right now. Otherwise the price would be less than $.08 to $.10 per round.
There are no doubt many sitting on a stockpile of 22LR, but there are also many, or perhaps even more, buying 22LR right now. Otherwise the price would be less than $.08 to $.10 per round.
Much the same situation with primers. But the good news there is the large quantities of ammo now available. That tells me there are less primers being used to load commercial ammo and there will soon be even more available to reloaders.
Where have you been?
We have been below $0.08/round shipped since April - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...t-shipped-pricing.902560/page-3#post-12277076
And currently we are looking to break below $0.06/round shipped - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...t-shipped-pricing.902560/page-9#post-12405553