FN Five seven is a cop killer gun...

[GregGry]

Its a late night tonight, so I figured I would see what the brady campaign is up to now days. I loaded their homepage, and was surprised to see the FN Five seven as a "hot cop killer" item. What I am really wondering about, is doesn't something have to be used to kill a cop, before it can be labeled a "cop killer" ? Not to mention, has the Five seven even been used in a self defense situation yet, that's made it to the paper? This video is great too: http://www.bradycampaign.org/ler/fnh/fnh_full.mov..

The guys compare the 5.7 round to a ak47, sks, and m-16 rifle rounds. They call it a concealable assault weapon too. Considering how dangerous they say it is, and how they say its such a threat to public safety, you would think that 1,000 people would have died in the first week it was out. Just like with the AWB being over with, you would l think that 1,000s of shootouts would be going on right now. Stupid brady campaign The video has a lot of other great moments, like when the guy tries firing it, only to find a round wasn't in the chamber. Not to mention claiming the bullet "expanded" when they are supposedly using armor piercing ammo.

EDIT: With all the talk about how the 5.7 is simillar to a .223, why not compare the .45 acp to the .50bmg? After all, the rounds ar so close to the same diamater

 

[Kurush]

Thanks for the heads up, if I ever get one I'll be sure to keep an eye on it to make sure it doesn't kill any cops.

 

[Clusive]

I swear, I'm going to buy one just to piss the nutballs off.

 

[GregGry]

I swear, I'm going to buy one just to piss the nutballs off.

Exactly what I was thinking. IF CCW passes in Wisconsin, its safe to say I will carry something like a USP-T for a main carry gun, and why not have the five seven as a SHTF backup.. I could have 40 rounds of 5.7mm ammo, and 24 rounds of .45acp. I wonder if that would make me a walking arsenal, or a deadly assault person according to the brady campaign

 

[jsalcedo]

Everyone needs to watch that video!

I wonder if the FN 5.7 they are using came from their personal collection.
Actually, I learned quite a bit about the 5.7 from that segment and I think
that will be the next gun in my collection.

As a side note: It looks like they dug up George Wendt from Cheers for that video.

 

[mindpilot]

yep that is mine for sure! I am gonna get one...wonder where they are selling them so far.

 

[Clusive]

When I do get the Five-seveN, I'll also need the P90 for the matching set.

 

[GregGry]

yep that is mine for sure! I am gonna get one...wonder where they are selling them so far.

The local gun shop here has them, although the ammo is hard to get.

When I do get the Five-seveN, I'll also need the P90 for the matching set.

Sounds good.. Nothing like a good matched combo .

Also, and the tail end of the video, they go off camera, and then manage to come up with a shot gun slug. That seemed a bit suspicious.

 

[bigun15]

Forget watching the video. I'm downloading it.
Also, after watching the video, can you say REPETITIVE? I should count how many times he said "penetrate police body armor."

 

[GregGry]

I wonder if the FN 5.7 they are using came from their personal collection.
Actually, I learned quite a bit about the 5.7 from that segment and I think
that will be the next gun in my collection

It was very informative lol. I wondered were they got it as well. It probably is from their collection, after all they are ex officers, they can handle such things . I am not afraid of a law abiding citizen owning one of thoes, and I am going to be a officer in the near future. I fear the crack addict with the .22 and the balls to pull the trigger thats robbing someplace, and nobody is armed to take him out.

EDIT: Check this site out, I can't believe how much info they have on the 5.7.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.7mm

 

[ZenMasterJG]

penetrate police body armor

:banghead: It's not designed to penetrate POLICE body armor, it penetrates BODY ARMOR. Its an object, a thing. Illegal intent was not built into it. Criminals and civilians can get body armor too, you know. :banghead:

Isn't the FiveseveN a little expensive for criminals too? Theres one on gunbroker for almost $900. Why buy that when you can get a used glock for like $400 less?

A pistol is a pistol and a rifle is a rifle. Did anyone tell the brady people that darn near any rifle will penetrate body armor too?



...I really hope nobody from the Brady Campaign reads that.
(I can see it now... "The Remington 700 rifle is a cop-killer! It was designed and built to penetrate police body armor!" *shudder*)

 

[Ryder]

Probably maybe, uhm, I think, uhmmm... Going to the dentist was more fun that watching that. Most videos I watch twice. This I couldn't even finish the first time through.

I've read ammo for that gun which is capable of penetrating vests is highly regulated and not even for sale in this country. That which is for sale in this country won't penetrate a vest. True or not? If it is true then these guys were breaking the law (and lying out their pie holes at the same time)?

I've seen the specs for the various vests. Wonder why they didn't try backing up their little claim about that vest stopping a 44 mag? And while we are on the subject why don't they even mention the 357? Gee I guess if those will get through then the fiveseven isn't so special after all.

I sure do wonder about a lot of things. I wonder how much they got paid? And I wonder why that one guy was grunting like a cow in labor with every breath that he took? Never mind, I really don't want to know

 

[GregGry]

They clamied to be using ss192 rounds, which are legal for sale (although discontinued and replaced by the ss195 I believe). The SS190 is the one with steel, that one is what you can't buy over the counter at your friendly neighborhood gun store.

 

[2k5Adam]

What an asshat. If you watched it till the end with the Mossberg 590 pistol-grip pump...did you hear him say it's "a gun thats used by alot of police officers on the street...". Now, personally I've never seen an LEO carry a pistol-grip pump on the street..what about you?

 

[Kurush]

If the cops were smart they'd be subsidizing the 5.7. It doesn't penetrate soft body armor any better than 9mm bullets of similar construction and has very poor terminal characteristics.

 

[Medusa]

Kurush I dare to disagree, FiveseveN is very potential weapon and effective as pistol, if FN is a cop killer and should be banned, what about 5.56, 7.62 and many other calibers that definitely shoot through most vests. SS190 and SS192 are marked as LEO/Military only, civilians get the ammo that doesn't penetrate vest. Terminal characteristics are, how to say, enough to matter (no point in shooting through the BG, 9mm looses only ~30% energy)

And how many military-duty .44 mag and .357 have you seen, Ryder?

I prefer FN to 9mm in self defence situation 24/7/365

 

[Kurush]

Kurush I dare to disagree

Medusa I'm impressed, I wasn't expecting you to bite on my little troll until morning at the earliest LOL!

P.S. 10mm is for pansies and is useless against zombies!

OK I'm going to bed now, 5.7 and 10mm fans please send me hate mail by PM and I'll peruse it in the morning.

 

[Creeping Incrementalism]

Kurush I dare to disagree, FiveseveN is very potential weapon and effective as pistol,

I prefer FN to 9mm in self defence situation 24/7/365

That big blob in the middle is a temporary wound cavity (cracked ballisic gelatin)--muscle that stretches, then bounces back. It doesn't represent damaged tissue. Furthermore, I don't see a BB track in it, indicating that the gelatin might not have been calibrated.

Stick a FMJ in a 22 Hornet and you get the same thing and 5.7, just rimmed.

Anyway, if our soldiers in Iraq wear hard body armor in Arizona-type heat, than so can U.S. cops, thus you can't call anything cop killer till you get past AP 30-06.

Has anyone seen The Devil's Rejects. The shootout scene at the beginning is great. Some crook with a BAR puts on steel plate armor and blasts away throgh a window...

(Click the pic for a bigger picture)

 

[chopinbloc]

i wonder if reloading equipment is available yet....

i know it's illegal to buy armor piercing handgun ammo, but would it be illegal to make it myself?

 

[HighVelocity]

When I do get the Five-seveN, I'll also need the P90 for the matching set.

That's exactly what I was thinking.

My FFL bought a five seven as his carry gun and he just raves about how easy it is to carry since it's so light weight and how much fun it is to shoot. It's very tempting. I wish the ammo was cheaper.


One thing I noticed in this video is that the guy in the Redskins garb was talking at a normal volume but after he fired two rounds WITHOUT hearing protection, his voice got a lot louder.

 

[Matthew748]

Run for it Chicken Little, the sky is falling! A handgun capable of firing light weight bullets at very high velocities has been available for a long time. It is called the Ruger Blackhawk in 30 carbine. There are also a few double action revolvers available from Taurus in 218 Bee and 22 Hornet, I imagine those would qualify as "cop killer capable" also.

 

[The Crazy Gobbo]

Apologies

Apologies if this is diverging from the topic at hand, but for some time I've been meaning to ask this question. How far behind the 5.7mm round is the 7.62x25mm round when it comes to penetrating armor?

Is it in all cases? I've seen only the claim that the 5.7mm will penetrate a IIIA vest, whereas that vest will stop a 7.62X25mm steel case lead core round fired under ~1500 fps. I believe that the CZ-52 fires a faster 7.62x25mm round taken from a submachine gun, would this go thorugh IIIA? I have heard that Asian police departments have their vests "Tokarev proofed" but I don't know what their vest is originally rated for, if it works, or even if that is true at all.

 

[G36-UK]

Just curious, but is the semiauto P90 still coming out over there?

When's the release date?

 

[waterhouse]

I love the 12 gauge slug, which "blew some material out of the back of the vest, and it isn't in the vest. It didn't penetrate the vest though, it must have bounced off and be on the ground somewhere."

 

[SomeKid]

Complete lie.

IIA is NOT certified to stop .44 mag. You need IIIA for that.

Secondly, I do not ever recall hearing it advertised as being able to bypass 'police body armor'.

Thirdly, they never get detailed about the types of ammo used. To bounce a 9mm off body armor, I am thinking low power loads, or else he is just an idiot and the bullets weren't actually bounced off.

Also of interest, only the two 5.7 shots went for the heart. The rest were only bruiser shots.

Funny how later when he opened it up, he found the 9mm, which had bounced off...then the 12g slug had bounced off. Later, it was pulled from the vest.

FNH should sue for defamation.

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http://matrix.dumpshock.com/raygun/armor/nij_lev.html

http://www.bulletproofme.com/Ballistic_Protection_Levels.shtml