Garland Texas shooting, handgun used

[X-Rap]

No doubt the cop deserves all the praise that he has received but I still caution what appears to be overconfidence and in some cases chest thumping with regards to this Jihad that we are under.
To date I don't think I've seen proof of an attack on US soil that was done by anyone other than brainwashed buffoons. It's important to remember that worldwide there are tens of thousands of much better trained and hardened terrorists than the ones we've seen radicalized here in the states.
The fact that they are out there and want us infidels dead is not at question IMO, when we will begin to see attacks by those more polished, equipped, and with better organization and funding is what concerns me.
We have many soft targets in this country and to depend upon authorities to ensure our safety at all points and times will break us as I've heard multiple time recently of how many people it takes to keep an eye on all these people of interest.

 

[moxie]

No doubt these two were "brainwashed buffoons." Nevertheless they were very deadly. Had they not been stopped at the point they were, they certainly could have accessed that building and caused a lot of damage.

Kudos to all security people involved and especially to the cool cop who took them out.
Textbook case!

 

[Dframe]

One lesson NOT to forget.....animals like this will learn from the mistakes these rubes made. They'll be back. Eternal Vigilance!

 

[lemaymiami]

for Magnun (and anyone else working at a range that restricts your targets) if it were me I'd make a visit to my local grocery store to pick up a package or two of paper plates... The ten inch plates work well for a center of mass target, smaller six or even five inch plates make great head or lower body (think of all that exposed area just south of a belt buckle...) aiming points. If you're truly in "politically correct" land resist the use of a Sharpie marker just mount those plates to the backing as they come from the package....

If I were designing a course of fire with those paper plates I'd have specific short sequences where you were encouraged not to aim center of mass - but go for the smaller targets just above and below the large plate.... An alternative is a voice command to go "high or low" during a firing sequence. The idea is to develop flexible shooters well able to adapt to changing circumstances in any confrontation. This sort of stuff should apply to every defensive shooter whether in police work or just an armed citizen dealing with a threat to him or herself and their families...

Since I was a training guy (and actually ran training for a 100 man department for three years...) your POST standards were always just a starting point for basic qualifications standards for any officer nationwide.... The only thing that prevents any competent police outfit from doing a bit more is their own rigidity and unwillingness to change. Ask any officer on the street nationwide and you'll rarely hear that their firearm training is very up to date or that they leave the range knowing they're ready for whatever comes their way.. Most police training is much more about minimum standards I'm afraid... None of this applies to specialized units which are usually very up to date and competent - but they're always just a tiny fraction of any police agency. That was the case during my career (we were very fortunate when we finally got a Chief willing to allow input from his training officers..... pretty sure though that it ended once he was gone after I retired).

Now that we seem to be regressing "back to the seventies" in major urban areas with the associated strong political forces being elected to oppose competent street work my guess is that many departments will learn just how well their officers are prepared for what they'll find in the street... Any armed citizen will be well advised to watch closely how encounters between police and shooters actually play out (whether we're talking urban bad guy or dedicated jihadi.....).

Most all of the citizens in our country will never even hear about this sort of stuff, though...

 

[Deaf Smith]

One lesson NOT to forget.....animals like this will learn from the mistakes these rubes made. They'll be back. Eternal Vigilance!

Amen.

They have a learning curve like anyone else.

Deaf

 

[hso]

they certainly could have accessed that building and caused a lot of damage.

Everyone seems to want to ignore the large number of other LE and Security present (and THOSE people were loaded for bear).

The traffic officer that shot the two terrorists performed phenomenally, but had the armed brainwashed buffoons gotten past him they would have faced these guys (who don't look like buffoons)-

 

[moxie]

Those are some tough guys, but were they in a position to stop the bad guys? It's a big building and the bad guys were at a secondary access point, not the "front door."

 

[Jeff White]

The traffic officer was in a position to stop them and he did. What else do you want?

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

I want a blockbuster Hollywood movie out of it.

 

[X-Rap]

Those guys with the M4's are likely just like all the others that one sees after TSHHTF, not being critical, it is the nature of our free society that we don't have guys like that at every corner and venue in America and I'm dam happy with that.
You can't look at those pictures and not understand what the Militarization of our police means.
If they were there as preemptive security than we are further gone than I thought.

 

[dogtown tom]

X-Rap .....You can't look at those pictures and not understand what the Militarization of our police means.....

Which doesn't bother me in the least.
I fully support the right of police officers to dress however they want and carry whatever firearms they need to do their job and go home at night.

I find the fairly recent "militarization of police" paranoia hysterically funny......cops have been carrying the same small arms, adopting military style uniforms and rank and using military surplus vehicles and weapons for DECADES. It ain't nothing new.

 

[hso]

moxie,

Remember that the organizers had paid a lot of money to put on extra security and that the facility had beefed up security as well. They all knew full well that they were could inspire lunatics to come there and make as big a show as possible of attacking the place. There were lots of officers with guns and the training to use them that the buffoons that did show up were going to be gunned down by before they got to attendees.

There was plenty of security present to deal with anything looking like a possible attack and that was the intent of the organizers and Garland. I'm glad to say that the only buffoons were the attackers and not Garland or the facility. While I may not like what the organizers were about (I don't like haters of any stripe) I am also glad to say they spent the extra money to ensure the safety of the attendees.

There is no need to exaggerate what took place nor minimize it. It was dealt with very professionally.

 

[Malamute]

You can't look at those pictures and not understand what the Militarization of our police means.
If they were there as preemptive security than we are further gone than I thought.

I think this is more misunderstanding of history and buying into a common mainstream media narrative.

Police have always have good weapons, in many cases, better than the military, such as the 20's-30's when many departments had Thompson submachine guns, when the military was using bolt action rifles. There are plenty of pictures of teens/20's era motorcycle sidecars with machine guns mounted, meaning real live, belt feed, rifle caliber machine guns. THAT used to be the riot and crowd control method in some places in earlier times. Other armed and armored vehicles were used also. To say that times have changed and its all going to heck in a handbasket because police use semi-auto (or even full auto) carbines and some departmens own bullet proof vehicles is rather silly.

The whole so-called "militarization of police" thing is pretty tiring.

There is no need to exaggerate what took place nor minimize it. It was dealt with professionally

Absolutely.

 

[old lady new shooter]

bearingarms has an article with a lot of specifics about how the traffic officer shot the terrorists, including detailed photographs, and the article appears to have been considerably updated. One point they stressed is that the officer was moving toward the terrorists as he was firing.
http://bearingarms.com/pushed-forwa...-officer-advanced-brought-garland-terrorists/

 

[Jeff White]

Bearing arms is guessing just like everyone else in the media. Making those assumptions based on news photographs of a crime scene is not any better journalism then you find in the mainstream media. Shell casings can bounce and roll when they land on a hard surface (like a parking lot). The squad car that the officer and security guard were in is not visible so we have no idea where they started from.

The SWAT team was there almost instantly and I'm sure they were responding tactically to shots fired and weren't exactly concerned about preserving the scene until they knew the fight was over and it was certain the tactical situation was secure.

I will wait for an official report.

 

[Snyper]

Quote:
X-Rap .....You can't look at those pictures and not understand what the Militarization of our police means.....

Those were private security people
I saw nothing that even hinted they were LEO's

 

[Lost Sheep]

I will wait for an official report.

Don't we all know by now that any event's early reports have a dismal accuracy record?

The first couple of days, all the popular news reports I heard or read specified the Garland Police Officer used a revolver. That is a very specific term. How could a reporter get THAT wrong? (edit: corrected "reported" to "reporter")

I, too will wait for vetted details. But I won't hold my breath. I know better.

Lost Sheep

 

[dogtown tom]

Snyper ....Those were private security people

Uh, no.
The guys in the photos above are Garland PD SWAT.

 

[Lost Sheep]

To date I don't think I've seen proof of an attack on US soil that was done by anyone other than brainwashed buffoons.

Well, just off the top of my head, I can think of one. They may have been brainwashed, but the "buffoons" carried out 75% of their mission successfully on 9/11. Two Towers, Pentagon, failed to hit the White House.

It's important to remember that worldwide there are tens of thousands of much better trained and hardened terrorists than the ones we've seen radicalized here in the states.
The fact that they are out there and want us infidels dead is not at question IMO, when we will begin to see attacks by those more polished, equipped, and with better organization and funding is what concerns me.

Yes, indeed.

Many of these Jihadists are determined, and dedicated. Many are competent and experienced. Do not discount the threat. To underestimate your enemy is foolhardy. If the Japanese WWII Kamikazi attacks were better timed, equipped and executed that war would have been a lot longer and more costly in Allied lives.

The only good thing to say is that suicide bombers do not get better with practice. They are a one-shot pistol. However, their trainers and leaders DO learn.

So, here we are, “Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty” (attributed to both Thomas Jefferson and John Philpot Curran, who were contemporaries and certainly knew of each other, if not actually met at some time in their lives).

Lost Sheep

 

[Deaf Smith]

Well actually the only real 'buffoon' to pull of terrorist attacks is the Maj. that capped all those people in Texas.

He was an amateur terrorist but he killed a lot of people.

The ones at 9/11 trained hard back in the Middle East before coming.

But still, yes their handlers and trainers do learn. Expect more attacks from wanna-be terrorist and some will have a better plan than these two did.

Deaf

 

[mp510]

The first couple of days, all the popular news reports I heard or read specified the Garland Police Officer used a revolver. That is a very specific term. How could a reported get THAT wrong?

Albeit anachronistic and technically inaccurate, the term "service revolver" is very commonly used to refer to any handgun carried by an LEO (and in some instances other professionals) for duty purposes, especially as a primary weapon.

 

[moxie]

hso,
Agree 100% with your post #62.

 

[PabloJ]

Everyone seems to want to ignore the large number of other LE and Security present (and THOSE people were loaded for bear).

The traffic officer that shot the two terrorists performed phenomenally, but had the armed brainwashed buffoons gotten past him they would have faced these guys (who don't look like buffoons)-

Not police or military but mercenaries for hire. One can have couple in front of their estate or gated community if they have money to pay for them.

 

[Jeff White]

Mercenaries for hire? Did Garland deputize them or are they impersonating peace officers by wearing POLICE on their body armor?

 

[dogtown tom]

mercenaries........please.

Why get upset at the media for the nonsense they report when you see the same thing in this thread?