General wisdom: If a pistol is what you use until you get to your rifle..

[Warp]

They aren't quite as rare as all that. I live near a city that has had 2 race riots in recent decades and both times pale skin types were dragged from their vehicles and beaten extremely bad.

A handgun would have fixed that.

I don't see what you are talking about...nobody there fought there way to a rifle, nor would they have in that scenario. A handgun beats the heck out of a "rifle" (16"+ barrel) inside of a car anyway.

 

[Warp]

Yeah. It used to be that very few soldiers or Marines were issued sidearms, but I think I'm to understand that it has become more common recently. However, the few instances I've read of which involved a soldier actually drawing and firing their pistol were all cases of primary weapon malfunction so s/he was transitioning TO the pistol, not to the rifle.

And that's the sequence that I've always seen in training classes, too. Can't recall ever having been run through the sequence of firing the pistol and then transitioning to the long-gun. (Though I have set up a few IDPA scenarios that ran something like that back in the day. )

I've done pistol-to-rifle in a match. The scenario was set up as if driving a vehicle when for whatever reason the vehicle was disabled and you were surrounded by threats. The closest threats were taken with the pistol and then the the rifle was retrieved and used on additional threats while existing the vehicle and moving to cover elsewhere.

Real world practicality, for a private citizen? Not much, I'd say...for most people probably only an extraordinary circumstance such as driving through a known problem area because you have no better option, at a time like yesterday/today, or after a disaster or whatever.

 

[Sam1911]

My favorite stage like that I ever set up was along the lines of you being someplace overseas (where rifle-armed guards would be common) and running your pistol empty, just as you stumble upon a downed "guard" (dummy) with his (my, actually) AKS-74 empty and a fresh mag half-inserted. Retrieve his rifle, seat the mag, chamber a round, and finish the stage.

Very fun stage, not totally implausible, also not terribly likely.

 

[Warp]

Truth is if we only did the most likely scenarios it would be a bunch of drawing without firing, or drawing and firing a handful of rounds at one target, and that's it. Though you would want the shooter and target both moving...not so easy to do.

 

[Sam1911]

LOL!

I once proposed a series of entirely realistic IDPA scenarios.

"At the signal, the shooter will draw and retreat to cover. At cover, shooter will observe threat targets, scan for additional threats, and then retreat to the parking area. Scan to ensure the immediate area is safe, holster, get in your car and drive to a safe spot. Dial 911 and report the incident..."



I didn't have any takers...

 

[Teachu2]

LOL!

I once proposed a series of entirely realistic IDPA scenarios.

"At the signal, the shooter will draw and retreat to cover. At cover, shooter will observe threat targets, scan for additional threats, and then retreat to the parking area. Scan to ensure the immediate area is safe, holster, get in your car and drive to a safe spot. Dial 911 and report the incident..."



I didn't have any takers...

Maybe it was timing - probably would have flown last year when nobody had ammo!

 

[Cee Zee]

A handgun would have fixed that. I don't see what you are talking about...nobody there fought there way to a rifle

Come on guys. This is the 3rd time I've explained that I wasn't taking a position on the deal of fighting to a rifle. I was "just" pointing out that situations where a gun (any gun) is a good idea are more common than some seem to think. When people say it will never happen I just point out that it does happen and if last night didn't convince people that it can happen again at any time I don't know what would. Hundreds, maybe thousands of rounds could be heard being fired if you were watching Fox News and their coverage of the event. It was clearly racial which means if you're the wrong color at the wrong place at the wrong time you can be a target.

Look back at #64 where I said, " I didn't mean to imply it was a good reason for carrying a long gun. I was just trying to make the point that things do happen sometimes." That was in direct response to #56 where the same point you made was made earlier. And in #55 I actually thought I made it clear that I was "only" responding to the earlier statement that, "These are extremely isolated and rare cases," which was a reference to all situations that might lead to a person needing a gun of any kind. I said specifically to that point, "They aren't quite as rare as all that." They in this sentence refers to cases which were said to be extremely isolated and rare. I said nothing about fighting your way back to a rifle. I have never said that here.

Please try to read what is written if you wish to find fault. You might well find fault with something I've said but it doesn't make much sense to clamor about things I didn't say.

 

[Warp]

Come on guys. This is the 3rd time I've explained that I wasn't taking a position on the deal of fighting to a rifle. I was "just" pointing out that situations where a gun (any gun) is a good idea are more common than some seem to think. When people say it will never happen I just point out that it does happen and if last night didn't convince people that it can happen again at any time I don't know what would. Hundreds, maybe thousands of rounds could be heard being fired if you were watching Fox News and their coverage of the event. It was clearly racial which means if you're the wrong color at the wrong place at the wrong time you can be a target.

Look back at #64 where I said, " I didn't mean to imply it was a good reason for carrying a long gun. I was just trying to make the point that things do happen sometimes." That was in direct response to #56 where the same point you made was made earlier. And in #55 I actually thought I made it clear that I was "only" responding to the earlier statement that, "These are extremely isolated and rare cases," which was a reference to all situations that might lead to a person needing a gun of any kind. I said specifically to that point, "They aren't quite as rare as all that." They in this sentence refers to cases which were said to be extremely isolated and rare. I said nothing about fighting your way back to a rifle. I have never said that here.

Please try to read what is written if you wish to find fault. You might well find fault with something I've said but it doesn't make much sense to clamor about things I didn't say.

This thread is about using a handgun to fight your way to a rifle.

I think we are all probably aware that firearms are sometimes used defensively, and that people sometimes are attacked and don't have a firearm to defend themselves. That is totally unrelated to the topic at hand.

 

[GEM]

Coming in late - I know a person who said, that if he hears a break-in, he will empty his magazine of 45 ACP in the general direction of the noise and run for his shotgun.

Sounds like a great plan to me. I suggested being able to to hit one's target.

Spouting phrases can come back to haunt you in court and you shouldn't believe them as the laws of the universe.

 

[Nom de Forum]

Coming in late - I know a person who said, that if he hears a break-in, he will empty his magazine of 45 ACP in the general direction of the noise and run for his shotgun.

Sounds like a great plan to me. I suggested being able to to hit one's target.

Spouting phrases can come back to haunt you in court and you shouldn't believe them as the laws of the universe.

I hope that person lives alone and never has a friend, family member, or LEO enter his home without his knowledge. I hope even more he rethinks his plan and finds a less perilous one.

The pithy phrases of past and present firearms experts frequently transform into banal phrases with the passage of time and when analyzed.

 

[Cee Zee]

I think we are all probably aware that firearms are sometimes used defensively, and that people sometimes are attacked and don't have a firearm to defend themselves. That is totally unrelated to the topic at hand.

But the above is on topic?

 

[Warp]

They aren't quite as rare as all that. I live near a city that has had 2 race riots in recent decades and both times pale skin types were dragged from their vehicles and beaten extremely bad.

A handgun would have fixed that. There would be no using a handgun to fight your way to a rifle.

 

[Robert]

As we seem to just be going around in circles let's call this one done.