Give me a polymer pistol with no safety...and I'll be happy.

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As I said yes it's a ability I like having. Besides I quit worrying about missing/forgeting the safety on my draw before Gaston made poly/striker/safetyless popular. As you said options are good I do like DAOs but I prefer they have enough room for me to stick the end of my finger behind the trigger.IE Kahr or a DAO revolver.
I don't care what you shoot as long as we're shooting the same direction lol.
 
In my view, striker-fired pistols are the way to go.

For a lot of reasons, I go with GLOCK. Love my Glocks.
 
I do have a couple of Kydex holsters that I can holster my glocks without issue or looking at them. The gun only fits in the "right" way and the kydex doesn't fold or bunch over like leather.
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Right up until the time the corner of your jacket catches on the trigger, I'd think about keeping an eye on it, from what I've seen Glock leg looks mighty uncomfortable.
 
The Walther PPQ works very well for me.
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I've always admired Walther products, but I would never carry a PPQ for SD. For me the deal killer is the odd-ball mag release. I suppose if that was the only gun you carried and practiced with it might not matter, but when every other gun I own has the standard button-on-the-side mag release I don't want to be fumbling in an emergency situation trying to remember which kind is on the gun I'm carrying today.

I love my Glocks, like what I've seen of M&Ps & Kahrs, most others I can find one thing or another on them I don't care for. YMMV.
 
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Right up until the time the corner of your jacket catches on the trigger, I'd think about keeping an eye on it, from what I've seen Glock leg looks mighty uncomfortable.
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I understand your hesitation, but I'm just making a point that certain holsters make holstering the gun "safer" than traditional leather. My Kydex holsters are usually for range use since they are light and comfortable. Range use is OWB, shirt tucked in. However, all things being equal they do offer a more positive click and less variables than leather, especially well-worn leather.

I have a sneaking suspicion that most acts of Glock leg are due to poor handling and not the holster choice or foreign material/clothing getting caught. I used to be very, very nervous about handling a cocked Glock until I TRIED to pull the trigger (unloaded gun of course) without actively pulling the trigger. I jammed the gun in the holster, tried to get the trigger blade to hook on the side of the holster's lip, I mock dropped the gun and tried to catch it poorly, etc. I even took the corner of my jacket and tried to get the trigger to fire by inserting it through the trigger guard and out the other side. Just a little bit of corner slid right out. I had to literally pull it all the way through across the trigger face, then press the gun hard enough into the holster that not only did the gun not obviously fit due to all the material but it actually pulled my shoulders sideways before the Glock would FINALLY have enough tension against the trigger to fire. I'm not saying that it's foolproof or that Glocks don't require careful handling. I just feel that people who make them go off when they don't mean for them to probably weren't being careful with their finger placement. A 5.5# trigger isn't heavy, but it's not hair either.

In short, I totally understand that "stuff happens". My jacket zipper might get caught in there at just the right angle to cause the trigger to fire 1 time out of 1000. I'll just have to hope that 1/1000 is the time when I need to holster my gun without looking. I feel that the benefits of a Glock far outweigh not having a manual safety to mess with even if I might want to babysit it into its holster.
 
I would never carry a PPQ for SD. For me the deal killer is the odd-ball mag release.
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The Walther/H&K style mag release is actually a superior design for carrying. It's impossible to accidentally depress it accidentally in a holster, as is the case with just about every push-button release design.

Using the mag release is just a question of training. You will pick it up in no time if you try it. If you can get used to shooting with a Glock trigger, you can get used to using a Walther/H&K style mag release.
 
That means that even if you never ever ever ever apply it, if you carry a gun with a safety, flicking off the safety needs to be part of your draw. That's more stuff to worry about.
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Fortunately, I learned to walk and chew gum (simultaneously) at an early age.
 
Fortunately, I learned to walk and chew gum (simultaneously) at an early age.
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Well, then go walk and chew it somewhere else. A lot of us don't like, need or want guns with safeties.
 
I'm not going to sit here and tell you to buy a gun with a manual safety and a hammer, nor will I claim a 1911 is somehow objectively better than a glock. That said, I think your inability to shoot a 1911 is really in your head more than anything, and this fixation on striker fired guns may be negatively affecting your shooting ability. A tuned 1911 with a light trigger is one of the easiest guns for any shooter to pick up and shoot accurately. .45acp is a soft shooting round, and it's difficult for a new shooter to really develop a flinch when using a very light trigger. Even if you're a glock person, if you can't pick up a 1911 and shoot it better than "poop", you should really evaluate your fundamentals and figure out what's wrong. It's fine to have preferences, but when your fixation with a design starts impacting your ability to use other designs properly, it's time to rethink things.
 
That's one of the things I like about the XDm. I have the 4.5 in .45 ACP and I can check the status of my pistol in complete darkness with the loaded chamber indicator and the cocked status indicator. Some people don't like the grip safety, but I do, I don't think they realize that a big reason it's there is so that you can holster the weapon and not have to worry about it going out of battery.

StrikeFire83, if you want to improve the trigger pull on your XDm 3.8, I highly recommend the trigger kits from Powder River Precision. I installed the kit I bought, the "Match Easy Fit" and my trigger is outstanding for a polymer framed striker fired pistol. Take-up is almost non existent, weight of pull is about 4 lbs with no overtravel. Their newer "Ultimate" kit also includes their new sear and has the trigger stop on the rear of the trigger which you sand down until the trigger breaks. Probably an easier install than my "Match Easy" but I sure don't have any complaints about mine. It help make my XDm a TACkdriver. ;)
 
Well, then go walk and chew it somewhere else. A lot of us don't like, need or want guns with safeties.
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Sorry, didn't mean to walk on your self-esteem.
 
Thanks for the condesention, Bozwell, but I shoot .45 caliber guns just fine, thankyouverymuch. Here's my most recent target with my Xdm-45 Compact @ 7 yards.

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I'm not going to win any shooting competitions, but I think this demonstrates decent combat accuracy after firing less 300 rounds through the gun.

Years ago, I had a Kimber Custom II that I shot reasonably well. I sold it because it was an unreliable piece of junkola. As for 1911 triggers being inherently "easier" for any new user to pick up and shoot well, I don't buy that. The S&W 1911, my friend called it an "E-series," the trigger had a LOT of travel and though I only shot 2 mags it was difficult to tell when the damn thing was going to break.
 
I fail to see your point. If you can't do the same at 7 yards with a quality 1911, having put that many rounds downrange, something's wrong. If a gun having a striker in it magically makes you a better shooter, you're psyching yourself out and fooling yourself into thinking you can't shoot a hammer-fired gun.
 
Yes there's a difference between "I don't like chewing gum" and "I don't chew gum because I'm worried it'll interfere with my ability to walk"
 
Give me a polymer pistol with no safety...and I'll be happy.
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As the old saying goes... "Whatever blows your dress up."

Personally I prefer metal guns with crisp SA triggers and safeties.
I am beginning to think the Metal/ SA trigger VS plastic and DA triggers can
pretty much be followed right down some other demographic lines, with the occasional meander of course..........
 
To each his or her own, I guess. As mentioned, the M&Pc does have the option to go without a safety. Or, you could just leave it off, your call.
 
I don't like plastic guns, but I can tolerate ones with normal triggers on them, the odd glock triggers annoy the hell out of me. I like the feel and weight of steel or steel and aluminum. I don't like striker fired guns, every one I've ever had was a dud, so I'll pass on any future ones. Don't like the looks of them anyway. Safeties don't bother me at all.

My ideal gun is pretty much a CZ SP-01, but any of the CZ-75 clones are great too, along with the Beretta 92FS, and I really like the S&W 3rd generation guns too. Give me steel, a hammer, and as long as it's not a 1911, I'm ok with it.
 
Right up until the time the corner of your jacket catches on the trigger, I'd think about keeping an eye on it, from what I've seen Glock leg looks mighty uncomfortable.
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You're right! Neither Gaston, nor anybody else, can fix stupid! :rolleyes:
 
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