Hey Cops! Why M&P and not XD(m)'s?

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Swear I saw a cop with a 2 tone XD once. But I know for sure that I saw a bank's money transporters have XDs.
 
I did NOT like my M&Pc, too small for me to get a good grip on it, it was my first .40 and I haven't owned a .40 since so maybe that had something to do with it.
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I find that odd being that there is a large grip included with the gun, and even a grip extension on one of the magazines included.
 
Law enforcement and smith & wesson go far back... but I agree. The m&p, while a good gun just has a TERRIBLE trigger and I can't get over it. The xdm's are good guns.
 
Law enforcement and smith & wesson go far back... but I agree. The m&p, while a good gun just has a TERRIBLE trigger and I can't get over it. The xdm's are good guns.
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this is why i just don't get the people who say the m&p has a good trigger. i want to hit them over the head with a 1911 :eek:

the XD trigger works the best for me of the striker triggers, i think because it's easy to stage.
 
I see people saying the M&P has a good trigger as well.

I figure they either have no handgun experience, or their mom doesn't know they are on the internet. :)

My other favorite is the M&P kool-aid drinkers who admit that the M&P has a lousy trigger - BUT - "alls you have to do is spend additional hard earned money to buy the Apex kit!!"

Yea, spend additional money to do something S&W should have done before the gun left the factory. No thanks! TJ
 
this is why i just don't get the people who say the m&p has a good trigger. i want to hit them over the head with a 1911
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Did I forget to mention that I like the trigger on my M&P45 more than 1911 triggers?

Oh no he didn't! ;)
 
Did I forget to mention that I like the trigger on my M&P45 more than 1911 triggers?
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Heresy!

I've come to accept that everything that isn't a 1911 will have a trigger that displeases me in one way or another...so I quit whining about it. :) BHP's are close...but only 1911 triggers feel awesome. Well that and ridiculously light rifle triggers.

My glock trigger works good enough to get the job done. When I run drills I can't tell the difference between a stock trigger and a massaged trigger...slow, bullseye type shooting is different. Same thing with my XDM (before I sold it). I've only put 50 rounds through a friend's M&P, but his trigger didn't exactly make angels sing and bells ring when I shot it.
 
Thaddeus Jones said:
I see people saying the M&P has a good trigger as well.

I figure they either have no handgun experience, or their mom doesn't know they are on the internet. :)
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Well, hickok45 over on YouTube has a little bit of handgun experience, and he thinks the M&P's trigger feels just fine. For some reason he can't shoot it well, but I can and I think that my M&P's trigger feels pretty good, too. Yes, I've shot 1911s, and frankly the difference doesn't blow me away like all the Internet chatter would have me believe. If those are supposed to be the best, then the M&P's stock trigger is easily good enough for a service weapon, in my opinion.
 
If this is turning into a bashing thread, out of the box, xD's have the best trigger IMO, after a few hundred rounds my M&P and Glocks have decent triggers. People mod triggers all the time, not just M&P but Glock, HK, various 1911's... Why can't some just accept that they are all great firearms?
 
But few agencies will allow an officer to carry a gun that could be carried cocked, with no decocker. The ones who do will almost always choose a 1911.
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Pretty sad stated of affairs when police agencies don't trust cops with their own weapons. Just goes to show how the progressive disease has infiltrated nearly every level of government. Looks like all the politicians and bureaucrats are just scared little girls with an irrational fear that people evil by nature and must be guided, educated, and molded to be good.

I've shot all three plenty and I prefer the M&P over all of them and find I'm more accurate with the XD than I am with the Glock. YMMV, but the M&P felt like it had better balance than the other two, more like a steel-framed pistol, yet it was very light. If I were a cop and had my choice I'd pick the M&P if I couldn't use a steel framed pistol, and I wouldn't choose a 1911.

Come to think of it, I know two cops who carry HK USP45 var 1's for their duty weapon. Those are SA/DA.
 
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jmr40 said:
XD's are considered single action. Same with the CZ-75. Almost all police depts. do not allow single action pistols. The officers who are allowed to carry single actions are going to carry a 1911.

Glock and the S&W M&P are considered double action only. Neither the XD nor CZ has any chance of being more than an afterthought in law enforcement.
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Stupid me... I didn't know that Xd's were single action... I just lumped them all into striker fired pistols.
 
Stupid me... I didn't know that Xd's were single action... I just lumped them all into striker fired pistols.
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striker fired just means that there's a striker instead of a hammer/firing pin, it says nothing about whether the striker is fully cocked when the slide is racked or not.
 
PabloJ said:
The M&P is made in USA. If everyone bought stuff like you we would have no manufacturing jobs left here. When I look at two items of equal quality and cost and one is made here I always buy item made by our people.
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O dammit... Now everyone knows that I am the reason for the economy crisis in America. I'm going to go burn my P2000. I'll keep my USA made HK45c if that's okay with you.

For now on I'm going to drop 2500 dollars on American made 1911's since those are the only American pistols I like... I got a better idea. I'll buy a Larry Vickers made 1911 for 5,000+. Do me a favor and tell every cop you see carrying a Glock or HK usp that they are the reason that manufacturing plants closed in America. Tell every Marine that too since they carry Beretta's. You probably didn't get the memo that we live in a world connected economy now...
Glock-American plant
Sig Sauer-American plant
HK- American Plant

Did you know they make Toyota's BMW's and even Mercede's in America now? I'll stop driving my F150 since Ford has a plant in Mexico. How Un-American of them and me.
You have to be the most dense person on any forum I've ever been on... and if I seem like I'm pissed it's because I am. I served my country, I woke up everyday reciting Integrity first, Service before self, and exellence in all we do and I believed it. DON'T SAY PEOPLE LIKE ME ARE THE DOWNFALL OF AMERICA'S ECONOMY... OR THE DOWNFALL OF ANY AMERICAN ASPECT.
 
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harmon rabb said:
striker fired just means that there's a striker instead of a hammer/firing pin, it says nothing about whether the striker is fully cocked when the slide is racked or not.
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Neither does the "official" classification of SAO or DAO, since the M&P's trigger system is the former by design (fully cocked) but is nevertheless classified as the latter.

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Ive never fired the MP series but from the sounds of it , it sounds like it has the Sigma trigger ? Is that what you guys are saying?
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No, the M&P has a completely different trigger system inside, and its trigger pull weight is much lighter. The Sigma's trigger system is based on the Glock's, but its pull is far heavier and not as refined by most accounts. The actual trigger itself on the M&P is articulated or hinged much like the Sigma's, although its shape is subtly different.
 
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Nothing like a Sigma trigger. I own a 9VE and a M&P .45.

The Sigma by nature is heavy by design. And the Sigma grit is in the sear and striker safety.

The grit some have in a M&P is solely the striker safety as the link comes up on it. A very easy darn fix. Just a tad of polishing on the striker safety button. Or you can polish and change the profile a tad.

The reset can be adjusted. Many think they have to feel it like a brick failing on there head or even hear it click. There is a simple adjustment that can be made there. And it can be more rude than I would ever want. The little sear is a work of art. You can adjust take up, how quick it acts. You can deck out the top of the sear and polish the striker tang. There are a few neat things you can do with it.

The M&P .45 is suppose to have the worse trigger in the family. Mine was fine out of the box and just didn't break in right. It got bad so I did my own trigger job on it and blew Apex off.

I like the M&P's. And yes I also like my Sigma 9mm. If S&W had made a Sigma in .45 I would have bought it over the M&P and all the other poly pistols.
 
Hey Cops! Why M&P and not XD(m)'s?
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If you don't mind I'll answer a question with a question: Who cares what cops carry?

As others have mentioned, buying decisions for large institutions like police departments are made on a lot of factors that have nothing to do with "best" or "most accurate." Unless you're an LEO, don't worry about it, buy and shoot what you like.
 
StrikeFire83 said:
If you don't mind I'll answer a question with a question: Who cares what cops carry?

As others have mentioned, buying decisions for large institutions like police departments are made on a lot of factors that have nothing to do with "best" or "most accurate." Unless you're an LEO, don't worry about it, buy and shoot what you like.
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O I do buy and shoot what I like. I was just wondering because I live in the 'burbs'... only about 20 min away from the city but def has it's fair share of farms and nice houses so we pay alot more taxes. I've noticed cops around here and the surronding, nice, neighborhoods now carry the M&P and cops in lower income neighborhoods still carry glocks. I talked to the cops in my neighborhood and they made it seem like it was a department decision, not a decision that came from bean counters... As if all the guys in the dept wanted to go with the M&P line. So that's why I asked.

I live in PA and I remember when I first heard that State Troopers carried the .45 GAP. Well every PA state trooper I've talked to LOVE that caliber... So that led me to beleive that guys in the dept's do have a say in what they carry and it's not just what the financial guru's say. But from this thread I see that's not the case.
 
I got rid of the M&P 40 I had and kept the Glock. The M&P is a good gun, but not good enough for me to switch. But like most of these questions its really a matter of personal preference.

As far as police department purchases go, most departments I know of do fairly involved evaluations before buying or approving personal purchase guns for their officers. Its like someone said earlier, the brand that does the job properly and for the best price usually wins. But best price alone won't get it if the guns don't work.

I think Glocks will be in police holsters for a long time to come. For cops they're almost perfect. They are about as close to a maintenance free, high capacity revolver as you can get. And they don't cost an arm and a leg. Spealing of cost, I'd love to know what makes an HK polymer pistol so expensive, I like the Glock and M&P better than any HK I tried.
 
Brink's issue/use XD's.
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I own an XD. Excellent gun. Would not hesitate for a second to trust my life to it. I'm guessing Brinks doesn't have to put up with the ninny worries about DAO that police forces do.

(i do note i think the XD is pretty much a soulless personal protection appliance, like the other polymer guns, but it's difficult to argue with how well the damn thing works)

Neither does the "official" classification of SAO or DAO, since the M&P's trigger system is the former by design (fully cocked) but is nevertheless classified as the latter.
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S&W lies like hell. I don't know how they get away with that.
 
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