Give Me Your Wallet

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I have a fake wallet to toss and run if possible. I would be drawing my gun at the same time to give me options.

I want to avoid shooting someone if I can. If they are just using the line, "give me your wallet!" to put you off guard. The toss will distract them while drawing. :evil:
 
i really believe shooting is not the answer in the "gimme ur wallet scenario"..

here are the reasons

1) BG's go in pairs. usually 2 confront you with 1 behind. or 1 in front. 1 in back.
2) how do you know they don't just have knives? maybe they got a gun pointed to your back and u don't know it?
3) unless you're 100% POSITIVE there's only 1 BG, shooting him could get you killed. the statistics show that once you have complied with the BG and gave your wallet, he will take it and run away almost all the time.
4) if you shoot a BG, you could be in court paying legal fees for years. is there really more money in your wallet than what you're gonna pay your lawyer?
5) BG's typically confront you VERY closely, and bullets don't blow them away 25 feet.. in fact, if you don't hit his head then its very likely he'll shoot and stab you or the guy behind you will.
6) you're not a movie hero
 
U dub student

i really believe shooting is not the answer in the "gimme ur wallet scenario"..

Really? well I believe I am a brain surgeon, I say you need surgery...I'm sure I left my scapel in my pick up truck, lemme go get it..wait there!
 
UW

I don't need statistic's I am from NYC and have been mugged at least 50 times
and have had "new york acupuncture" ( been stabbed )
being stabbed really, really hurts and it sucks.
I am going to shoot the next "give me your wallet" excrement head.
Now that I live in Reno I generally do not have to worry quite as much about it, but I carry anyway ...just in case
 
i can see why u got stabbed..

did u tell the muggers u were a brain surgeon also?

PS: im going to flight school (navy) soon.. do u want me to take some pics for ya? :neener:
 
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Gimme your wallet.

Thug: Gimme your wallet.
Me: No.

Either he walks away and we both live, or he threatens violence. If B, I pretend to cave, reach for my wallet which strongly resembles a .45.

By the way, "fact" number three in UWStudent's post is no longer the norm. Compliance is NEVER a bargaining chip for safety.
 
I was kind of curious about that myself, UWstudent. In fact my concealed carry instructor, a police officer for 23 years, said "The contents of my wallet aren't worth killing someone over." Funny, I feel the same way he does.

I will know when I need to use my gun and "Give me your wallet" from a nervous junkie who almost looks like he wants to run away more than get my wallet isn't on that list...
Mark(psycho)Phipps( HAHAHA! )
 
I carry a "fake" set of keys and "fake" wallet :)

The fake key (no computer chip) will "start" my Jeep Wrangler, but, the engine will stall within about 5 to 10 seconds. :) That delay gives me time to run, or fire or whatever is needed. I also figure that a fake wallet, with worthless n0-name cards and assorted junk and $50.00 in it would cost me less than changing all of our house, office and automobile locks. :) Never had to resort to using them though.

Doc2005
 
I am from NYC and have been mugged at least 50 times

It serves to reason since you're still here to tell us about it, however you handled each these >50 muggings turned out as good as they could have.

Any landing I walk away from is a good one, and any violent encounter I end unperforated I consider a success.

Thug: Gimme your wallet.
Me: No.

It is fantasy to believe a mugging starts out with a simple request. Many begin long before the victim is aware of it when the team interviews the victim and then signals to each other to initiate the action. Often a victim is unaware of the encounter until the attack begins, and the weapon used to coerce his valuables determines the level of violence in the encounter.

The more deadly, or perceived deadliness, of the weapon, the less violence is usually employed in the encounter. Guns might be used to bludgeon, but are rarely fired to prove the attacker's resolve. As we move down the spectrum of weapons through knives, to clubs and improvised weapons, to bare hands, the more likely the victim is to be hurt in the encounter. In a robbery the attacker is using violence as a tool for compliance, and not expressively, meaning to satisfy a vendatta or personal desire to use violence for its own sake.

Knowing this, we can make decisions about how we choose to respond in the interaction, and keep the attackers from moving out of using violence as a tool into expressive violence - meaning he now has personal motivation to hurt us. Likely the attack upon you is not their first. This is their "job"; it is how they make a living. By the time you meet them, they are professionals who learned how to commit robbery from others and have refined their skills by having done it repeately. Insulting them by not respecting their skills and experience is foolish and will move them out of instrumental into expressive violence.

Choosing to respond with "No" probably isn't realistic. And neither is drawing a gun once the encounter has progressed to the point that the robbers have actually began requesting valuables.

I carry my cash and credit cards in a money clip. My wallet contains my other items such as ID. I feel a lot less attachment to my money clip, and have no reservations parting with it, knowing that nothing in it can't be replaced nor does it contain anything personal like my ID and photos.
 
Why, I'd let him or them have everything I was carrying. Starting with the all of my ammunition and my knife.
 
then why do police officers say comply with the BG's demands?

Which cop? Under what circumstances? I'm a cop and I teach CCW. I tell people that they have to evaluate the situation to see if deadly force is necessary and give them the tools to make that judgement. Do you believe everything a cop tells you just because he's a cop? Might he have told you that because because he's not very well informed about CCW and personal defense from a civilian point of view?

Now to adress the original post. I carry my wallet weak side hip pocket. That's also below the point where I carry my BUG, a Smith & Wesson 640 in an IWB holster. Darn it, everytime I reach for my wallet, my hand just seems to want to gravitate to that little revolver. Can't help it, ya know. :D Maybe it's because I hate paying the kind of prices for stuff I'm seeing now.

BTW, this brings up another question. For those of you who carry a BUG, do you carry it accessible to weak or strong hand? I've always carried on the off side based on the theory that my strong hand might very well be disabled by the time I have to go for a backup. Might need to start another thread.
 
I tell people that they have to evaluate the situation to see if deadly force is necessary and give them the tools to make that judgement.

And this is the precise point that many posters on this thread are making, sacp81170a. I agree with this statement 100% and so does my, "The contents of my wallet aren't worth killing someone over." CPL instructor. Some of the other posters are, at least on this forum's venue, seeing any 'gimme your wallet!' situation as an immediate reason to go full-tilt-boogie dub-u dub-u triple-eye on the perp when the reality of a mugging situation, in the fact that each is as individual as we are, isn't given.
In fact, the original post was "I was trained to do this at a school/seminar I went to. What do you guys think?" I posted an variant technique with the idea that the decision of your need to shoot has been made and then came the obligatory G.I. Dunno with "I kill the corksucker with extreme prejudice!" It simply snowballed from there.

BTW, anyone else notice how insanely quick Tom Cruise was drawing in the movie "Collateral"? I wish I could draw like that, :p
Mark(psycho)Phipps( HAHAHA! )
 
me getting mugged in NY

includes going to an all black middle and high school and being one of 4 or 5 white kids in the whole damm school, When it was "only" 4 or 5 kids threatening me I would pull out my knife and keep them away, if it was 20 or 30 then I'd hand over the lunch money, also bfken you are presuming that it worked out good for the mugge...rmany of the muggers I've faced in NY had to walk away with nothing because I pulled out my knife and told them to try and take my money.....as an adult

I GOT STABBED AFTER CO-OPERATING!!! I GOT STABBED BECAUSE I GAVE UP MY WALLET AND CO-OPERATED! YOU ARE PRESUMING THE SKELLS HAVE THE SAME VALUE SYSTEM YOU HAVE i.e A WALLET IS NOT WORTH KILLING OR DYING OVER ...SOME OF THE MUGGERS IN MY OLD HOOD REALLY ENJOY MAYHEM AND MUTILATION, THEY WANT YOU TO CO OPERATE TO MAKE IT EASIER TO RAPE YOUR GIRLFRIEND and TORTURE YOU AND YOUR GF

Arm chair internet warriors can be annoying but now I realize arm chair internet quislings are worse.

so you've handed over your wallet ..what next? hand over your gun because it's not worth dying or killing over???

I am never ever gonna co operate again because I am not in NY and I carry a gun 24/7 ...I am not gonna hand over my wallet becuse some cop told a college student it isn't worth it! I am not cooperating because some cop that doesn't even think civillians should carry, told some pudgy kid "it's not worth it" if I cooperate it means that the skell may have my gun. (who knows, he may use it on some cop too, great, coperate so there is another dead cop because a skell had a stolen gun!? )

No! No! and once again NO!

I say shoot the skell or skells and be done with it, call the cops after and they will send in the mourge folks to carry the bodies away while they make jokes and drink coffee...thats the kind of ending I like!
 
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what the heck are you talking about bullfrogken?

I am from NYC and have been mugged at least 50 times

It serves to reason since you're still here to tell us about it, however you handled each these >50 muggings turned out as good as they could have.
...yeah they turned out great because I REFUSED TO CO OPERATE, I PULLED OUT A KNIFE AND TOLD THEM TO GO AHEAD AND TRY TO TAKE MY $$$

Sometimes they won too they got me in a headlock and because I had been drinking etc they got the better of me.

I don't party anymore, I don't drink and I allways have a gun that means if I get mugged now, that there is a gun involved and I am never going to let some skell have my gun or wallet
 
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I'd gladly hand my wallet over to a mugger. I'd watch with clinical interest as his eyes began to tear from the fumes emanating from the leather, permeated with years of toxic butt-sweat, then maniacally laugh as he was totally blinded by the swarm of moths shooting out of the cash compartment after he opened it.
Then, while he was on the ground, wretching and blinded, I'd empty his pockets and flee the scene.
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oh I get it now UW student

people who are funnier then you should be stabbed:rolleyes:

you just keep on believing muggers should be co operated with, I guess they gotta eat too.:barf:
 
I pretty much agree with gunsmith on this. Those who say a wallet is not worth losing your life over are correct from the standpoint that a wallet and its contents are relatively trivial (I know, identity theft, there are ways to deal wth that issue). However, a mugging is automatically a life or death scenario as I alluded to in my previous post. Anyone who DEMANDS your money, must be assumed to have both the will and the means available to enforce his demand. Your life or physical well-being should automatically be assumed to be in danger. If you have no other means of resistance, then hand it over. But if you have a gun, pepperspray, a knife, or walking stick and the ability to resist, do so. The wallet is irrelevant. The mugger(s) is violating you! It's not about the money. You are protecting yourself, not the wallet.

You have no guarantee that if you comply you will not be harmed. In order to survive, you must assume you will be harmed regardless. Assuming you were carrying legally, I do not see how you could possibly be successfully prosecuted for using force to protect yourself.

You: "Officer, he held me up and I was in fear for my life and physical well being. I wish to exercise my fifth amendment right to remain silent. I wish to speak with my lawyer." Then zip it.
 
bfken you are presuming that it worked out good for the mugge...rmany of the muggers I've faced in NY had to walk away with nothing

I think I was pretty clear that I was indicating it worked out well for you. Surviving an excess of 50 mugging attempts is quite a feat.

Each of us could one day come face to face with a situation that is untenable, yet we conclude resistence is necessary. In the event I decide a fight is required, even though the outcome seems grim, I am content knowing that I'm going to have some say in the matter. Still, I'm not convinced fighting over money is necessary. You can muck up the scenario with wives, girlfriends, and whatnot, but those are outside the particulars of this discussion of whether we should respond to a robbery with force, or by surrendering our cash. I have enough experience to differentiate whether the aggressors simply want cash and will leave once they get it, or have other intentions. I have my lines, too, I've just drawn mine in a different spot.

Arm chair internet warriors can be annoying but now I realize arm chair internet quislings are worse.

I'm not sure I catch your meaning . . . but I do like my comfortable chair, in my comfortable house, in my comfortable neighborhood.

Does your chest hurt after beating it so hard? Throttle back on the font size. Simply because I don't feel compelled to boast about the challenges and accomplishments I've had in life doesn't mean I don't have any.
 
Historical clarification: Quisling was the leader of the Norwegian collaborators to the Nazis in WW2. In a sense, compliers may be viewed as playing into the hands of the muggers. But, we should remember that most people don't necessarily have what it takes to stand up for themselves.
 
Lot of artillery going back and forth in some of these posts. :banghead:


If someone (one BG) demands your wallet and you say "Ok no problem man" and you reach for your concealed pistol in your waistband, I guarantee you, most crooks are going to assume you are "complying" and reaching for your wallet. (unless you are going for your ankle pistol, which wouldn't be a good idea). While a crook may be very dangerous, most likely he isn't trained or thinking like an ATF agent or LEO keenly watching for any signs of a weapon. He is assuming you are a wimp who is coughing up his wallet. So as you reach for your pistol, you also turn slightly, as if you are fumbling getting the wallet out, and that buys you another second. The last thing the BG is expecting is the business end of a Glock and a muzzle flash. :eek:

I've heard the whole "your wallet isn't worth dying for" argument. However, how terrible would you feel if you and your girlfriend/wife were shot or stabbed, AFTER you handed over the wallet... because you naively assumed "all he wanted was the wallet" ?

I would rather take my chances drawing on someone than leave myself and possibly a loved one at the mercy and whim of a criminal. JMO.
 
Ahh...I think I'm finally seeing the point you guys are making. You're assuming that because I'm talking about handing over the wallet that I'm also saying to just roll over and play dead in the hopes that the big, bad bear won't eat you. Well, you're quite mistaken.
I've worked as a bouncer (no, I wasn't a very good one) and have had a few (lucky) scapes with some criminal persons in the past. I'm able to get a 'feel' for situations as they unfold. I can tell if someone in a bar is potential trouble or if they're is just roughhousing a bit. My giving over my wallet is simply my response to a "No need to blow holes in this one" signal from my instincts. If I feel for even a moment that I'm getting a "Danger, Will Robinson! Danger!" signal then out comes the pistol with intent on defending myself with it.
As I hand over the wallet my rear hand is either by my waist for a quick draw or up in a defensive position as a 'gate'. I'm constantly watching my assailant's eyes and face. Are they smiling in an obviously stressful situation? They they looking around to be sure that nobody is watching? Is the smile the wan twitch of nerves or the confident sneer of a predator? What does my gut tell me? How do they carry themselves, aggressively threatening or just wanting to be gone? Now my handing over the wallet might give me the openning I need to defend myself.
Almost all reported survived violent incidents where the victim was later brutalized in some manner after compliance was far from a shock to the victim other than the fact it was happening to them. The victim knew that compliance wasn't going to help their sitaution on a gut level but their fear let them be cowed. I have talked to many police officers about this and almost every single victim said a statement close to, "I knew that they were doing to do <insert violent criminal act here> anyway but I was so afraid that I went along, hoping I was wrong."
In Oregon, if I were to shoot a criminal who walked up to me in an obviously threatening manner and said, "Gimme your wallet!" then I would go to jail. Full stop. I need to confirm a legally defensible lethal threat to my person or another to use lethal force. Size might make a difference. Age might make a difference. But if there is no identifyable threat like a gun, knife or other potentially lethal weapon then I have not exhausted my options in both Avoidance and Alternatives which I seriously doubt are not in your local jurisdictions statutes on the use of lethal force. Furthermore, I have then crossed a very large, black line that I seriously don't want to cross unless I know it's either them or me.

Just different ways of looking at the same problem,
Mark(psycho)Phipps( HAHAHA! )
 
sorry about the font size and the quisling remark

my fur was rubbed the wrong way last night...

the point I'm trying to make is that some folks are evil, they like to kill, maim, rape , torture etc
and the money in your wallet is for a cold brew after all their "fun"

I walked into a burglary in my own apt in NYC, thanks to NY's gun laws I was unarmed, thanks to co operating I was stabbed, unless you've been stabbed you can not know how much it really sucks.

I can tell the difference between a couple of kids joking about "gimme your wallet" & a sincere robbery attempt and have been in a couple of situations as an armed security guard, I know when to shoot and when not to & if some skell thinks he's getting my wallet, he's not...he's getting either .357 or .40 depending on what I carry that day. period.

again sorry for my remarks...and thanks for the education on quislings, I never knew who he was, I've heard over and over on "The Savage Nation"
 
way to complicated

I can hardly remember my real wallet and keys.....let alone my fake wallet and keys! :)

But seriously.....who am I to preach to someone else who finds themselves in such an unfortunate situation, what they should do.

God help them...and God help me if I'm the one.

as for the BG...........who cares?
 
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