Glock 19 or 1911

[mister_wilburn]

Go ahead and handle/shoot both, thats important maybe most important. But think about what you want that pistol to do. The 1911 isn't going to take the abuse of a glock, but I have always been more accurate with a 1911. Personally I dont care for Glocks, its the grip angle that gets me. I can make nice groups with my XD, but haven't conditioned myself to shoot a glock well enough to make a decent hit at 15 yards. Bottom line, shoot both, shoot a couple boxes of ammo through both and you should have a preference, dont fall in line with your buds just to fit in.

 

[Black Majik]

Ever had a Glock malfunction? Anyone on here?

I have

 

[Glockman17366]

"Rubish.


Either makes a good carry gun..."

First, you want to disagree...that's fine...don't use the term "Rubbish" when refering to my opinions...they're just as viable as yours

The 1911 is a cool gun...I own two Colts (series 70 and a series 80). Beautiful workmanship...considering they are a mass produced product.
However, they are heavy and, for my tastes, too many sharp edges and protrusions (even the dehorned ones I've seen). I've carried them...SOB and shoulder holster) and didn't care for them.

The Glock is a smoother design...less to snag or wear on a covering garment. I've never had a stove pipe or FTF or eject in a Glock (I'm sticking with 9 mm here). I've seen more then one with the 1911.

I will say a 1911 looks better (by far!!!) in a display case then a Glock does. But my opinion is Glock is the better carry weapon...

 

[BADUNAME13]

I am a 1911 lover. I reciently have been working with my Glock 19 as I want to be proficient with the Glock for a future job.

This includes CCWing the Glock.

I couldn't stand it and went back to my 1911.

 

[BADUNAME13]

Quote:
If your Glock has never choked, you don't shoot enough. Same for any handgun ever made. Even revolvers can have problems.

Ever had a Glock malfunction? Anyone on here?

Yes. I have owned ~ half a dozen Glocks. ALL have jammed. This latest Glock 19 has jammed 6 times in ~4K rounds.

Which is more than my 1911's. I've got a Springfield loaded that toped 8K before it jammed (And it was BAD ammo that went underwater during Katrina... and only 1/3 went bang)
I agree with the original poster/comment.

I've posted about my Kimber Warrior that went over 3X as long as the Glock right out the box before it jammed.

ANYTHING mechanical jams. Shoot what you like, just get good with it.

 

[mljdeckard]

I had a Glock and it was beautiful. No, it never jammed. But I'm back to a 1911 now.

I honestly feel I had to get a degree of experience to graduate to a SA only auto. But whenever a rookie askes me what their first gun should be, I refer them to Glock.

 

[SkiLune]

Ever had a Glock malfunction? Anyone on here?

I've actually tried to get my G19 and G22 to fail by putting some cheap surplus ammo thru em. No luck. From my experiences, they are like the Timex of autoloaders.

 

[mavracer]

First, you want to disagree...that's fine...don't use the term "Rubbish" when refering to my opinions...they're just as viable as yours

the 1911 fans have not attacked your beloved glocks,most have comented on what a good reliable gun they are. you attacked the 1911 impling it is not a good carry gun.to that my opinion is also "rubbish" there are many 1911s from early in the last century who were there in two world wars in the tunnels of viet nam and that are still the prefered weapon of many elite forces. I happen to know of two old codgers who have 1911s one has over 300,000 rounds the other is 81 years old. I will take either and challange you to a match with your glock, 6" steel plates at 50 meters first failure loses.


Glocks are good guns,so are sigs,berettas,taurus,smiths, rugers etc. they're not magic.
PS the gun is 81 dads only 77

 

[Quentin]

The 1911 isn't going to take the abuse of a glock, but I have always been more accurate with a 1911.

If there's one thing we can all agree on it's that the 1911 can take abuse as well or better than any other pistol. The 1911 US Army pistol trials demonstrated its reliability and it proved itself in every war or conflict we've seen over the last century. I'm sure the Glock and other fine guns would give the 1911 a run for its money but I suspect if you picked up a 1911 out of the mud and sand, shook it off as best as you could it would be ready to save your life as it has many before you!

 

[SniperStraz]

Ever had a Glock malfunction? Anyone on here?

I have

Yes. I have owned ~ half a dozen Glocks. ALL have jammed. This latest Glock 19 has jammed 6 times in ~4K rounds.

That didn't work as well as I thought it would at all...
Still I think that if you look at statistics Glock will have less malfunctions than most if not all handgun manufacturers. (No I don't have those statistics. You can go look for them if you wan't them, but I'm probably right.) I'm not saying Glocks are better than any other guns. I'm just saying the are more reliable than most if not all. You're 1911 may not have malfed but it happens. My Glocks may not have malfed and evidently that happens too. But there's gotta be a good reason for their unbeatable reputation. Some of you may not like plastic and thats fine. You may not like Glock in theory and that's fine too. I don't like XDs that doesn't mean they arn't reliable.

 

[Ala Dan]

For The Record

I do not own a 1911 that I do not trust; 'nuff said~!

 

[WolfMansDad]

I love 1911s. They fit my hand, are easy to shoot well, and carry comfortably despite the weight. I bought one recently and had nothing but trouble with it. It even continued to jam after being sent back to the factory and worked on. Do an online search and you will find reams of information on how to get your 1911 to work.

Funny, there doesn't seem to be much advice out there on how to get your glock to work...

Google search "1911 reliability" and you will get advice. Search "glock reliability" and you will get praise.

 

[mike43]

Glock vs 1911

I admit tht I am NOT a big Glock fan and Am a huge 1911 fan. I have had a 9mm glock and a .45 glock and sold them both. Their reliability were both excellant, but both absolutely stunk from a accuracy standpoint. I replaced them with a Kimber Eclipse .45 and a FN 9mm and absolutely love both of them

 

[mavracer]

sniperstraz

you are still in denial you know why more 1911s jam :banghead:
A:cause there are more 1911s. 66% of cars run penzoil. ya know what 66% of engines that wear out have penzoil in them.
B:how many glockguys shoot lead SWC not near as many as go through 1911s.they tend to not feed as well as ball ammo.

bottom line again glocks,sigs,rugers,smith,SA and many others all make good reliable guns.
If you like your glock great,but its not the end all only answer.I personaly don't like the grip angle or the trigger.a person needs to try a few different guns to find what they like.

some people myself included just are not PROFESIONAL enough to handle a GLOCK FO-TAY nor do I want to be

 

[Curare]

I shoot one hole groups with Glocks and 1911s out to about 50 feet which is the distance at which my well-studied eyes stop functioning as well.

I want to like 1911s, but I'm unwilling to spend $3000 to get EXACTLY what I want in a 1911, when I can get EXACTLY what I want in a G17 for $500 plus a set of sights, and a few hours of trigger work. The 1911 requires more scheduled maintenance, carefully fitted parts, and I'd much rather have 18 rounds of 124gr Winchester SXTs than 8 rounds of .45ACP, and a pistol that I can do anything on. Plus, I can replace that Glock or duplicate it in 15 minutes, for $500.

Given all the potential things to screw up when making a 1911, I'd have to build one myself to fully trust it.

Thankfully we can get whatever we want.

 

[10-Ring]

I like & own both -- I have 10's of 1000's of rounds through my G19 & both of my 1911's --respectively. Which would I recommend? As a first semi auto??? Probably the G19 for its simplicity & reliability. Later, when you have a few rounds under your belt, the 1911 would be a great addition

 

[jAK-47]

Timely - just bought my very first 1911 and my primary is a G19. I got a Springfield GI pre-owned but never shot for $375 so For a range/HD gun you can't go wrong with either one. Don't worry about the recoil as you can get a full-size 1911 since you aren't going to carry it. Actually, with the right holster you can carry a full-size but not everyone cares to.

Having said that the G19 and 1911 are both great guns one thing you'll have to do is practice taking the safety off the 1911 as you are used to revolvers now. My carry guns are Glocks, revolvers and Kel-Tecs and NONE of them has a manual safety; I just point and shoot. In the middle of the night if you need to defend yourself you'll want to be able to automatically take off the safety on the 1911. The upside is it's a .45! I LOVE the 9mm and don't want to start a caliber war but the .45 is quite a round.

Of course you can always do what I did - get 'em both!! hehehehe

Take care,
jAK-47

 

[Radjxf]

I as well have had a Glock jam. G22, 2nd gen (I think). Hated that thing, awful ergos, steep grip angle, unsupported chamber, sad accuracy. Thought I had to have one like everyone else, not again.
I don't consider myself a "1911 freak", but have extensive experience shooting and smithing on them. I've never had the "jam-o-matic" experience that the net commandos claim with 1911's. Then again, I shoot only Colts and know how to properly fit parts if needed. Mine rarely jam, have outstanding triggers and accuracy that no Glock can dream of. I'd stick with Colt and maybe try S&W or SA as distant 2nd and 3rd choices. I would avoid Kimber (mimber), great marketing, neat looking guns, but poorly fit and I've heard their service dept leaves much to be desired (Dennis).
IMO if you're not a "gun guy", aren't mechanically inclined and not much on pride of ownership or big on maintenance, get a Glock!

 

[Glockman17366]

"Ever had a Glock malfunction? Anyone on here?"

Yes, but it was ammo related. The 17 was used (actually...17L) and I got a couple thousand rounds of reloads.
One of the cases split at the rim. It blew the slide release off...no other damage. I still own and shoot this gun.
Otherwise...no failures (this is with a 17 and 19).

BTW, this corrects an earlier statement I wrote in this thread.

 

[Trope]

I am mainly looking for something for home security and range/plinking duty.

I have to agree with the previous suggestion of a G34 over a G19 for this purpose. I carry a G19, and it's a fine carry weapon, but the longer barrel and sight radius seems to favor the larger model for times when size and weight are less of a concern.

OTOH, after shooting a nice 1911, I find myself wishing for a better trigger than what is on my G19. While I'll probably never sell my Glock, I'm saving up for a 1911 for range duty.

BTW, I also agree that the .45 recoil isn't something to be concerned about. More of a push than a snap. Ammo cost is a valid concern, but I wouldn't choose based primarily on recoil.

 

[Geno]

If a picture is worth a 1,000 words, then these pictures speak volumes. Worse yet, it is not just my opinion. There are 100 posts in that thread. That equals posts from a whole lot of upset people.

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=275388&highlight=Kimber

Here is 1 "Custom Shop" Kimber example of 5 "Custom Shop" Kimbers I bought that summer. Tell me, if you saw this at the gun shop, would you have bought it? If you got it home and then noticed it, would you keep it?

 

[6Gunslinger]

well atleast I started a Lincoln/Cadillac style debate alla Donnie Brasco or possibly a Honda/Harley one.... although many are set in their ways it sounds like a lot have both and there isn't really too much bad to say about either. Being that I am a newbie and funds are low I think the Glock is probably going to be the way I go, but since I am looking for something for primarily range/home duty the 17 or 34 sounds like a better bet then the 19 and that will atleast be a bit different then what the buddies have.

I'm sure I'll be picking up a 1911 before long but considering the many companies that make them and the customization I know I'll want.... I should probably wait and do some more research.

I'll be trying out my buddies G19 this weekend so that should help me decide. I'll probably rent a 1911 to check it out as well. I'll let you all know how it goes but thanks for the food for thought.

Keep the suggestions coming, I do appreciate it! and I thought it was hard deciding which revolvers to get!

thanks guys

 

[Dobe]

Funny, there doesn't seem to be much advice out there on how to get your glock to work...

Check Glock Talk on certain models, and you will find help.

 

[glockman19]

Doc,

It's clear you've had a poor experience with kimbers. Many of us have not. Most of the issues were associated with the External Extractor.

I am a happy Kimber Customer and will continue to buy their fine firearms. I will pick up my Ultra Raptor II next Thursday 6/21. I'll go directly to the range and fire 200 rounds and let you know if I had any issues.

 

[Zen21Tao]

I was also wondering if a .45 1911 wouldn't be a bad idea, but I know the cost for buying one and getting ammo for it is quite high and I'm definitely concerned about the recoil.

Actually, you could go with the STI Spartan (see link below). It is only $594 but is made by one of the best custom gun makers out there.

http://www.dawsonprecision.com/ProductDetail.jsp?LISTID=6DC0000-1161707138

For other "traditional" non-plastic guns, you might also consider a Sig or a Browning High Power.