As far as Government bids for firearms, how do you know that the Glock lost simply for cost?
Instead of taking a fanboys claims at face value.. Read the decision from Glocks protest.
https://www.gao.gov/assets/690/685461.pdf
As far as Government bids for firearms, how do you know that the Glock lost simply for cost?
If I remember correctly, the reason they did not have anything smaller than a Glock 26 for many years was due to import laws. I am not sure what happened to make that a non issue now but I think it has to do with them making the guns 100% in the US now. I believe this occurred around 2012 or 2013, and the Glock 42 came out in 2014. In other words, they made their little guns as soon as they could.
As for the reason they sell. Well um, if they sell because of their reputation, do you suppose that means they have a good reputation or a bad one? Isn't that a good thing that their reputation sells their guns? Maybe you should look up the video on the 4 ex-special forces guys doing a pocket dump of what they carry. Three pull out Glock 43's and the 4th has a Mossberg shotgun. Must be pretty crappy little guns.
This is essentially a cop-out. You say any of them, yet you pretty much list zero innovations from those companies. You list Ruger as being the most innovative right now. Would you be talking about the Security 9, which oddly enough copies the dimensions of the Glock 19, because it is considered one of the very best conceal carry guns on the planet? Another in a long line of guns Ruger has produced that many believe is just an updated copy of another manufacturers guns. Very innovative indeed. No matter what Ruger does and how inexpensive its guns are made, they still have a very long way to go to equal the reputation Glock has with their handguns and when it is an object people are entrusting their lives to, reputation goes a long way.
perfect size to serve all purposes, no pesky chassis changing necessary! And it would be called a Glock 19.
I actually laughed when you mentioned copying the design of a gun built originally in 1911 and then selling their version to the public JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE as being innovative. Personally, I think it is more innovative for them to resist that silliness.
Glock does not need to innovate as evidenced by the fact that their submission to the MHS contract made it into the top two, unlike the majority of the guns you think are innovative. Glock was the only company capable and INNOVATIVE enough to comply with the MHS contract while introducing only one handgun rather than two, like all the other companies. And it is a known fact that the reason Glock lost was due to cost alone. Had the Army actually done the testing, chances are, the Glock would have won that part,especially after proper testing would have revealed that Sig couldn't even build a gun safe enough to be dropped without it shooting someone.
The Beretta M9 beat out Glock in 1985 in endurance and reliability testing in 1985!
Glock wasn't a competitor. Ol Gaston was still making drapery rods when Round 1 started..
Another piece of misinformation in this thread is glock didn't replace any gun, period.
They were simply added to the official toy box of options for some units.
Instead of taking a fanboys claims at face value.. Read the decision from Glocks protest.
https://www.gao.gov/assets/690/685461.pdf
Glock's Georgia plant started producing somewhere around 2009. Plenty of time to start design and tooling to get a leg up on the 380/9mm slim market. If they wanted to. Nope. Too busy doing the same thing.
Wow..4 ex-SF guys. On the internet no less. That must mean they are the real deal. I was in the military for the better part of a decade. In that time I have served with members of every type of SOCOM. Rangers, Green Berets, SEALS, even MARSOC. From all the branches I probably know 50 active and former SOCOM members. About half own Glocks but only a handful of those prefer them to Sigs, Walthers, and Berettas. So I could care less about one internet video of 4 guys showing off Glocks.
The Security 9 is an example of variety in a line up. I agree with you that innovation is hard to come up with in a handgun market. Glock has been copied by nearly every maker. And improved upon. Many people are not going to shell out $600 or more for a Glock that needs 3-500 in parts, services, or upgrades to make it "their gun." When they can buy an M&P or PPQ for less, and need less work.
James Yeager is that you?
Never said it was innovative. Called it a shocking surprise. Reading comprehension is wonderful.
Glock submitted a hack job of a firearm. They didn't even introduce anything new for the trials. And what other companies submitted 2? The Sig model is a frame swap for the M17/18. Not a new firearm. So who else entered 2? And Glock charged MORE for a firearm that any gunsmith can make with a hacksaw. The Beretta M9 beat out Glock in 1985 in endurance and reliability testing in 1985! The Beretta M9A3 didn't go farther in the trials for the same reason Glock lost, because they cost too much. And if you bothered to follow the MHS trials, the M17 does not suffer the (rare) drop safe problem the civilian version P320 does. All this Glock chest thumping you are doing is just whining that Glock lost the contract, as they should have.
I’m really torn about this gun. One minute I want one, the next I don’t lol. I haven’t felt this indecisive about buying a gun in a while. The more I see it though the more I want one. I plan on getting ahold of one sometime next week and that will be the tell tale of if I gotta have it or not, when I actually grip it. I thought I wanted a gen5 19, but shot one and held a couple and ultimately passed on it because it just didn’t do it for me more so than a gen4. Glocks always have a special place in my carry rotation, but lately I’ve been more interested in Cz and Hk hammer fired guns.Oh, and since this is a thread about the Glock 19X and not whiny haters, here is a photo of mine. View attachment 775487
Nice, I think I want one.Oh, and since this is a thread about the Glock 19X and not whiny haters, here is a photo of mine. View attachment 775487
They've been making that gun for years, simply buy a G19 and use G17 mags if you want more ammo. I fail to see the point. The longer G17 slide on a shorter G19 grip makes more sense.
And a thumb safety option wouldn't hurt a thing. S&W and Ruger offer their guns with, or without safety. Give buyers the option to decide.
So, Mr. high on himself won't take the word of SF guys on a video because it was on the good ol' interwebs but we are supposed to accept your bonafides, doled out here, ironically on the internet? OK, I'm with you on that so, I do not believe you. I find 4 real humans in a video more believable than a random, insecure Glock hater trolling Glock threads. If you are who you say you are, you probably would not have to come in here to try and feel better about yourself.
The Security 9 is only an example of variety because Ruger has yet to find the right recipe for a truly successful 9mm hand gun, as evidenced by the fact that they have The Ruger American pistol, the SR-9 and now this.
Yup, only one person in the world thinks the G19 is worth anything. He must be pretty rich to be able to buy enough of them to keep it in the top 5 or 6 handguns by sales each year. Well thought out response ya had there.
Why do Glock haters have to get snide and insulting when someone disagrees with them, in a thread, exclusively about a Glock gun? Better question, why do haters feel the need to enter threads about a gun they do not like? Us fanbois generally don't go trolling other gun maker threads and their new releases to tell them how stupid they are. I suspect there is some insecurity and inferiority complex issues going on with you and your fellow haters in this thread and others. So, let me rephrase what I said earlier: You seriously think Glock coming out with a copy of a gun, just like every other gun company has, would be a shocking surprise? You may have a point there, I would be shocked too if Glock lowered themselves to that level. Haters such as yourself, who usually whine about grip angle would just crow about that being Glocks admission that their grip angle was wrong all along. Though I would love to see Glock come out with a 1911 with a Glock grip angle, just to watch all the haters heads explode.
Um, if YOU bothered to follow the MHS trials, you would know that the original gun submitted by Sig had the same internals as the Sig P320 that had the issues
Also, you would know that Beretta did not enter the M9A3 in the MHS trials, they entered their APX striker fired gun
Oh, and how many other submissions were there for MHS trials besides the Glock and the Sig? Yeah, just two other guns were entered. If you don't count the other 8! Another brilliantly thought out point ya got there. So, at the very least, this innovation-free hack job of a firearm as you put it, kicked the ass of 10 other submissions, presumably submissions from other companies that you think are much better and more innovative than Glock.
To be honest the "blending" of a G19 slide with a G17 doesn't really do anything for me. Pass.
I am always amazed at the passion people have for firearms... for and against specific manufactures. Glock always seems to be a hot button for some. When I started shooting handguns, I did not like the Glock (Gen 2 era was available). Once I had shot a large enough sample to figure out what worked and what didn't, I ended up shooting Glocks (Gen 3 36 was the first I owned) I now have 5 Glocks and have sold that G36. I have a few other model handguns, but I end up shooting/carrying the Glock. It just works. and works well for me.
I really like the look of this pistol and the thought behind the 17/19 cross. If you remember, ITS NOT A CONCEALED CARRY GUN, it's simply brilliant. I've always wanted a G19, but the grip always felt too short. I don't like the 17 size, but the grip was perfect. This really works in my favor for this gun. Can't wait to pick mine up Monday!
Ok, we understand that you don’t like it. Now you can move on and find something that makes you happyThere is no manual safety, therefore, it does not appear to be same pistol as submittined for military pistol trials. It does appear to have similar awful color of cheap mustard.
A gun with or without a safety isn’t the same gun? Or is it just the same gun with or without the safety? Glock can’t win here and it’s obvious because people want something to complain about with glock. If glock would have offered the model with the manual safety probably more people would have complained about that than the one without the safety. Glocks stance on manual safeties on da striker fired pistols is well documented. I’m 100% sure striker fired guns with no safety outsell striker fired guns with safeties probably 10 to 1. Most of the people I know who bought the M&p m2.0 with safeties have already taken them off. The Ruger sr series is a pretty good gun with no pro (no safety) model but then Ruger makes the American with the pro model as well as the lc9S. I’m guessing the lcp2 supersized (security 9) will also be offered in the pro model soon. S&W shields first came out with safeties and then shortly after all the request to offer it without a safety there it was and I’m sure the shield sells more no thumb safety models than the one that does. I don’t care for manual safeties on striker pistols because I don’t use them and that’s just something extra I don’t need on my gun. I get people like options and people like thumb safeties, if that’s the case get you a gun that has one and stop trying to make every gun maker put manual safeties on striker fired guns. As far as the color goes I guess you didn’t see the other mhs trials guns that were submitted and the one that won. This is far from being the first gun offered in cheap mustard desertThere is no manual safety, therefore, it does not appear to be same pistol as submittined for military pistol trials. It does appear to have similar awful color of cheap mustard.
I don’t care for manual safeties on striker pistols because I don’t use them and that’s just something extra I don’t need on my gun. I get people like options and people like thumb safeties, if that’s the case get you a gun that has one and stop trying to make every gun maker put manual safeties on striker fired guns.
He didn't say you couldn't have one. It's just that Glock doesn't offer one. He said that if you want a thumb safety , find a gun that has one.I would not want you to have to have a thumb safety on your Glock if you don't like them, but don't really understand why you would tell me I can't have a Glock with a thumb safety. I like Glocks better than other semi autos. I just wish I had the choice of getting mine with a thumb safety. S&W makes them both ways, wish Glock would too!
I get it, but glock has been thumb safety-less for 30+ years and it’s kind of a broken record asking for one. More options for customers is a good thing but I don’t think glock is the least bit interested in offering thumb safeties. They would more than likely start making revolvers and 1911’s before they start offering thumbs safeties on their pistolsI would not want you to have to have a thumb safety on your Glock if you don't like them, but don't really understand why you would tell me I can't have a Glock with a thumb safety. I like Glocks better than other semi autos. I just wish I had the choice of getting mine with a thumb safety. S&W makes them both ways, wish Glock would too!
He didn't say you couldn't have one. It's just that Glock doesn't offer one. He said that if you want a thumb safety , find a gun that has one.
I don't understand the need that some have for a thumb safety on every gun. Now there are guns that I would not want if they didn't have a thumb safety like the 1911 or a High Power. But this is due to the type of actions.
I have carried a Glock as a duty gun for over 15 years. I have been in very high stress situations and glad that I didn't have to worry about an extra safety.
Now I'm not saying that someone is wrong for wanting a thumb safety on a striker fire pistol. But I can tell you this, Until you are in a high stress, life or death, situation whit the gun you carry, you will not know what works best for you.
Know there may be a way to get a Glock with a thumb safety. If you can get your hands on one of the guns that were used for the Govt. testing, you would have what you want. Hell, If the price was right, I wouldn't mind have one.
Yea but I don't want just any striker fired pistol with a thumb safety. I want a Glock with a thumb safety.