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Today my 9 year old son was issued an "Honor Code Violation" their term, not mine,

"Child was drawing durring his lunch. The picture was inapporpriate as it included a woman with her gun. After a conferencing with him he did a relection form and we discussed the incident. He assured me it will not happen again"

NOTE: By receiving this Honor Code, you will not be invited to attend your grade level's incentive.


The oicture was of my wife, his mother. I have no idea yet what reflection form is yet, but intend to respond to this tomorow. I am looking for some advice here from the learned fourm.

Thanks all.:fire::fire::fire::banghead::banghead::banghead:
 
Wow... dont get too mad at them... I know I would!

I would just explain it how it is. its a picture of his mom with a gun. you go to the range together or something... what if she was in the military? Its no different.

Don't let them get away with it!
 
ignorance is bliss until it becomes panic... I think this is a wonderful example of that...
 
I ran into the same crap with my 9 year old. Last year the teacher told me that my son was lying alot in class. I asked what about. She replied that he was telling other kids that he had his own shotgun (he does) He was also telling them that he shot a deer and a Turkey (he has). He went on to say that he shoots archery tournaments with his dad (he does). I was pissed so I went up to the school with 5 or 6 plaques and medals that he has won. I showed them to the teacher and smiled. I guess he isn't so much of a liar is he. The old cow just gasp at how could I allow my son to engage in such activites. I told my son to keep it low at school and have not had a problem since.

Funny thing I went to the same school district and used to go hunting with three of my teachers and the principal. Funny how things change in a mere 15 years.:banghead: When I went to High school the opening day of deer season was a holy day. Most of us did not show up and never called. Never made up homework, No nothing The FBI would probably at my house if we did that now.
 
Remember that you gain more flies with honey than vinegar. Teachers are people too and no one likes being dressed down. My somewhat educated guess based on your location and knowing a LOT of teachers is that your child's teacher is ignorant and not necessarily being malicious.

My wife is a public school teacher and one of her students wouldn't write about anything...except going shooting. She thought it was great that he would actually write about something! However, she has been "indoctrinated" in the way of THR so to speak.

So don't go in "guns blazing" so to speak, the second you do that the teacher and administration is going to shut down. Instead inquire why he was giving a violation, what the exact meaning of the form and incentive is (I am assuming writing out "I will not draw guns" and missing recess.), and determine what it will take to prevent this from happening again. That could mean either your son doesn't draw guns again or that the teacher actually realizes they have some free will and don't have to follow ridiculously arbitrary district policy.

Finally, and I REALLY hate to say this, but at school firearms should be comepletely secret. Always. My wife, the teacher with the student who wrote about shooting never ONCE mentioned that she was a shooter. Like jbkebert said, have him keep it low key at school and leave it at that.

Edit to add: I like to give people the benefit of the doubt. And even if they are completely in the wrong and being malicious getting into a screaming match just makes you look unintelligent. Take a deep breath and don't get upset or lose your temper.
 
"after a conferencing with him"? That is poor grammar and incorrect word use...i can understand an irrational fear of guns by some lefties, but bad grammar from a teacher is inexcusable, IMO.
 
well.... um... to put it point blank... my wife now home schools my 9 year old son and for our sporting event we get the long bow out and shoot a few arrows.. and for a field trip we go to the range, and dang it i keep forgetting to ask anyone if it is OK to do so.... oh.. and he helps me with the reloading too... and forgot to ask bout that too.... he is MY SON NOT THEIRS he will grow up with HIS .22LR in his hand.... i could go on but feel yall get my point...
 
Finally, and I REALLY hate to say this, but at school firearms should be comepletely secret.
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Really! I give my students gun mags to read when they are finished with their assignments. We also have regular discussions about firearms. It helps to clarify some misconceptions the students have learned from television and movies. They are very open about sharing their shooting experiences. A few weeks ago, a student showed me a video she had on her phone of her shooting at my range. She was very proud of her shooting.

BTW, I teach middle school.

In reference to the OP, I would defend my child's behavior. Too many teachers want to indoctrinate and not instruct their students. I would even challenge a "No Tolerance" provision in the student code of conduct. Remember, the teachers and administrators work for you.
 
Personally I would make it clear to the teacher that the drawing was an accurate depiction of his mother, and age-appropriate. Further I would tell her that the family does own firearms, and has both a legal and constitutional right to do so, and more so, your son can use them under adult supervision (if this is the case).

With no right to do so, left-wing dominated public schools are trying to destroy our cultural heritage and indoctrinate our children to loath and fear firearms. There in no reason we should let them get away with it.

I would explain to your son that so far and you and his mother are concerned he did nothing wrong, but hereafter he shouldn’t make drawings of guns, or people with guns, while he is at school.

Last but not least I would start looking for a different school. Wherever he goes his state funding will follow.
 
I understand your decision, and agree with it, but it would have been nice to expose the school some common sense. Granted they would have reacted like the witch in the Wizard of Oz reacted to the water and melted while shrieking in pain, but maybe someone would have learned something.

Seriously, my only advice about home schooling is to make sure the kid gets at least some social time with kids his own age. I joined Big Brothers Big Sisters some years ago, and my 'little brother' was deprived that from age 8 to 12. He is now 18, about to graduate high school, and go to college and has ZERO social skills. Never had a girlfriend that wasn't online, and just in general can't handle social situation that are larger than he and I. Every kid is different of course, but this is a real issue so be careful

Besides, I haven't had a good PC fight in a while, and I was looking forward to living vicariously through yours darn it!
 
The black-mistachio'd face gazed down from every commanding corner. There was one on the house front immediatly opposite. BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU, the caption said, while dark eyes looked deep into Winston's own.... In the far distance, a helicopter skimmed down between the roofs, hovered for an instant like a blue bottle, and darted away again with a curvng flight. It was the police patrol, snooping into people's windows. The patrols did not matter, however. Only the Thought Police mattered.
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---Eric Blair (aka George Orwell; 1984)

The thought police are clearly alive & well. Troubling.
 
I believe Old Fuff said it best.
With no right to do so, left-wing dominated public schools are trying to destroy our cultural heritage and indoctrinate our children to loath and fear firearms. There in no reason we should let them get away with it.
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I personally can vouch for the validity of that statement. I grew up in a school where the only use for the word "gun" was in a perjorative term. I grew up hearing about how evil guns were and how we need to "stay away" from the evil gun that are just waiting to go off and kill us all. Needless to say, I'm glad I took a hunters ed course when I was 12 that washed away all the years of lies and deceptions about how bad guns were.

Were I in your shoes, I'd go in there and let them know that a drawing of a gun is not an evil thing. I'd wager that in your kids history books there are several pictures of soldiers/historic figures that are wielding firearms while in the heat of battle. Don't let them bully you. Your tax dollars are paying for that school, they are beholden to you. Not the other way around.
 
I understand your decision, and agree with it, but it would have been nice to expose the school some common sense. Granted they would have reacted like the witch in the Wizard of Oz reacted to the water and melted while shrieking in pain, but maybe someone would have learned something.
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My kids & I love a good fight, so that might be entertaining. Ulimately, leftist indoctrinators can't be trained; they can only be ridiculed as fools behind their backs.

Seriously, my only advice about home schooling is to make sure the kid gets at least some social time with kids his own age.
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We home school, and hear this comment from nearly everyone. I know your motives are good, so this is not targeted at you. I would much prefer an under-socialized child that can read, write & quote history vs. a brainwashed follower of a P/C movement. Public school seems far more concerned with creating mindless, single-party sheeple than educating leaders. My 7 year old draws guns nearly everyday. He plays with toy guns everyday. Nearly once a week, he FIRES real guns. I wish some leftist P/C indoctrinator would read this post & spontaniously explode.
 
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I was in high school right after the Columbine incident, schools changes the way they did business immediately. It went from unload your guns and take them to Mr.(Local Coach's name) Class and you can get them after school, because that was safer than leaving them locked up in your car. To the next school year where people were expelled for leaving .22 shells, not bullets shells in their pocket, and the teachers had to fill out possible threat forms if you were observed reading gun magazines. It was ok to read the turner diaries or Unintended consequences, but no Guns and Ammo.

The World is different and the schools have changed. I would probably do a mixture of apologizing for offending the teacher, but also let her know that your child still has the right to enjoy their 2A rights. I wouldn't go down there telling them you can raise your child any way you want, but I also wouldn’t give in to what the teacher or school board believes is "appropriate behavior."

I also would not tell my child to keep it low key either, be proud that your a gun owner, no point in teaching them to be ashamed of that, we call those people......
 
When I went to High school the opening day of deer season was a holy day. Most of us did not show up and never called. Never made up homework, No nothing The FBI would probably at my house if we did that now.
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The high school stopped having class on opening day because so few people would come to school.
 
Dan, Big brothers and sisters is a great program and you are a wonderful person for helping and teaching the next gen. for that you do deserve credit. and just fyi (not meant in an insulting way by any means) there are several programs for home school children both social and play time (ie PE) but locally kids are looked down at for saying gun or standing up for their rights as we do for our guns that is the reason i home school, and last year in 2nd and 3RD grade depending on subject he helped teach his 5Th grade cousin what public school could NOT get thru to him... any way, not to get off subject here my 9 yr old son has mastered range rules and is safer than alot of adults i see on the line and no child will learn that in public school.... thanks for listning...
 
Go in with a Plan A and a Plan B.

Plan A:

Quietly sit down with the teacher. Explain that your son drew a picture of his mother with her gun. Your family owns guns legally and is responsible. Your son knows how they are used and what they are for. You are legally allowed to own guns and do so. You son should not be punished for drawing a picture of something. Also, there is nothing morally questionable about the picture. The gun was drawn in a non-criminal setting.

Plan B:

If Plan A fails, tell the principal of your situation and say that unless he/she remedies the situation, you're going to write to the NRA about the abuse your son has suffered at school. In addition, mention that you will post the school name and contact info on various gun-advocacy (pro-gun) websites so that others may learn of this school's violation of your civil rights.
 
FWIW, my advice:

o Stay calm, "reasonable" in tone, non-threatening, but firm in all your dealings with the school.

o Get the facts: Ask the teacher exactly what happened, why and how. Ask specifically what part of the honor code was violated. Find out what the reflection thing is, what the teacher told your child to believe.

o Think about it. Take time to formulate a response. Take a day.

o Respond with reasoned firmness: If this is an honest and truthful representation of his mother (as a soldier, as a hobby shooter, as a home defender, etc.) assert his honesty. If there's nothing specific in the honor code about guns, assert that there's no violation. If the school or teacher is gun-intolerant, but there's no specific regulation he violated, then firmly point out that there's no violation of written policy, that different families have different attitudes, and that tolerance of such is fundamental to the American way of life. Etc.

o If appropriate, have your child present so he can see you going to bat for him, and can see an example of how to calmly assert one's rights.

IMHO.

Good luck.
 
interesting thread....... indoctrination is a terrible thing..............

THE 2ND AMENDMENT WAS NEVER ABOUT HUNTING..........

"THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED"........
 
Or, you could take an approach that will have the same odds of changing her mind, which is to say it won't, and just let her know what a ridiculous human being she is. Sometimes idiots need to be called out, and it will make you feel better. Tell her she is a ridiculous excuse for a teacher, a blind follower of a dangerous, mal intentioned movement, a simpleton lacking any of the common sense needed to be worthy of your child's attention. I am sick of trying to figure these people out, and I am sick of trying to change their minds. It is irrelevant whether this entire country turns against us. I know how to read, and my rights are secure. If this were my child, they would have NRA and GOA stickers on their backpack, and they would wear a Glock hat & shirt with pride. Every time they recieved scorn for supporting their beliefs, I would be their fighting for them. It is time to forcefully assert our rights, not cower under the P/C pressure into finding a nice, palpable argument for these people. They need to accept, even if they do not agree, and we must demand that acceptance. Her actions are offensive; not your sons. She owes your family an apology, not the other way around, and I would be in the office tomorrow demanding it. Stay on offense--You have the high ground.
 
actually the "honor code" used in this childs school is more of a way of indoctrination.
in order to get "forgiveness" for the violation against the political correct, the child most likely has to write a statement in which they acknowledge that what ever they did was evil and will cause the death of all their favorite cartoon charecters, and sesame street charecters, etc.

the wording is most likely;

i did bad thing teacher, i drew picture of someone doing something good with a weapon. i now know that is impossible, as guns are evil and anyone who has one or uses one is evil by association. I shall be good and avoid and fear all weapons as doing otherwise will result in the death of Elmo and Big Bird, and maybe Cookie Monster as well. Maybe even Sponge Bobs demise as well"

signed timmy (in the hopes of no one being told of my "evils")


I can quaruntee you that it will be in the childs permanent school file. Even the college admissions officer will get to see it. May be good if the college is VMI or other military academy. Otherwise, who knows.
 
I'd be pulling em out of that district and public schools as fast as I could.

conferencing with him

did a relection form

will not be invited to attend your grade level's incentive.

*** is all this double talk garbage?

Sounds more and more like big brother to me.
 
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