How many of you would sell a handgun to an 18 year old?

[Gun Slinger]

Since it violates Federal Law...No, I wouldn't sell a handgun to anyone less than 21 years of age. I value my freedom too much to do so.

 

[CWL]

BTW. You can legally make your own gun, and only the frame is legally the gun. http://www.smooth-on.com makes a high-impact plastic that is very watery when in liquid form, molds very well in to the silicones that they make for mold making, doesn't require a release agent (if molded in the silicones) pressure box or hot temperature and it is like polymer when dry. If you can borrow someone's Glock, USP, P-99, PX4 etc, then you can probably make your own mold and frame.

I haven't seen any polymer guns that didn't have steel in it as well.

Good thing too because trying to make a frame the way you suggest is going to cause someone serious hurt, that is if the mold doesn't outright fail. Modern polymer manufacturing for a gun frame will need something like a 250 ton injection molding machine using steel molds to form the frame. Most likely a double-shot process too.

 

[brickeyee]

Since it violates Federal Law...No, I wouldn't sell a handgun to anyone less than 21 years of age. I value my freedom too much to do so.

ONLY if you are an FFL.

 

[USMCDK]

as for a state registry I don't think that there is one, however... You know that form you fill out at the counter of a dealer, and then the phone call that they make??? YEAH buddy that's a registry of that weapon and serial number, WITH YOUR NAME ON IT!!!

Call me a conspiracy theorist if you will, but that bullet casing they give you... What do you think happens with that bullet??? How do you think that CSI units locate an owner by the ballistics, that bullet fired is given to some agency that logs it into some kinda data base, for further reference. That data base has that firearms serial number and balllistic and then when that phone call is made, BANG buddy your name goes in that data base too. Next thing you know the criminal with, that stole/bought, your gun kills some overnight store clerk at quick-E-mart. The ballistics is run and guess who's name show's up on the screen??? You!!!! and heaven forbid that you didn't report that gun stolen or have said paper work of sale, cause if you didn't it's you on that stand in cuffs.

Like I said call me a conspiracy theorist, but that is my opinion based on deductive reasoning of self-experience.

Now would I sell to an 18y/o???

Under certain conditions.

Background check (for those I don't know personnally) you bet!

Bill of sale with, price, date, names (to include SIGNATURES), addresses, and phone numbers? DAMN STRAIGHT!!!

Also I would do all this with witness(es) that way there just really isn't any liability on my part anymore.

One thing that you people have yet to fathym is not only will a criminal use that weapon in a criminal way, but innocent people have been known to *ACCIDENTALLY* use a weapon in a way that was criminal due to ignorance of laws or just outta the sake of anger. What says that person doesn't try and get away with it. The fed's/cops are coming for you anyway, lest you prove your good name.

I agree with you on how you want to private sale your weapon. Get that info man and keep it in your gun safe never to move until that god forsaken time comes or the day you pass on.

USMCDK

 

[Chrome]

I would only sell to an 18yo if I knew them personally. Too many buyers to be selling to a random high school kid.

Later,
Chrome...

 

[buck460XVR]

if I had a gun to sell, and if the kid had the cash and it was legal to do so, only a bad gut feeling would make me hesitate. If it was a legal transaction, I don't know how one could be held responsible for actions after the sale. Example.....the vendor who sold the VT shooter his guns.

Too many folk readin' way too many internet myths.........

 

[TraderJack]

I originally just answered the question without elaboration. No.
But, to clarify, I would not sell any gun in any private sale unless I knew the person well.

I'm not against young folks buying guns. I'm not against anybody buying guns.
Buy all you want and all you can afford, and we'll talk about them on the board!

But I'm not going to sell you any guns at all. Sorry.

 

[mnrivrat]

OK - I didn't take the time to read anything but the OP's post so here is my answer :

Yes , I would sell to an 18 year old as long as it was legal to do so. Old enough to fight and die for this country - old enough to have the rights of any other adults in this nation.

 

[Gun Slinger]

Originally posted by brickeyee:
ONLY if you are an FFL.

Since you aren't a lawyer and I don't trust such unproven, dubious "advice", I'll stick with what makes me comfortable and err on the side of caution.

Besides that, my last contact with you on another thread on this board found you a little too easily confused when it came to matters of fact and rather lacking in common courtesy so I cannot see myself taking anything that you have to offer very seriously.

 

[1911 guy]

Brickeyee is right.

Gun Slinger, the federal law prohibiting sale to a person under 21 only applies to dealers. State law governs all private transactions. If your state allows posession of a handgun under 21, then it's legal to sell it to them. However, it's your gun, so you can keep it, sell it, or hang it from a ceiling fan if you want. It's your property, so it's your decision. Just wanted to set the record straight, though, he's right.

 

[MachIVshooter]

Call me a conspiracy theorist if you will, but that bullet casing they give you... What do you think happens with that bullet??? How do you think that CSI units locate an owner by the ballistics, that bullet fired is given to some agency that logs it into some kinda data base, for further reference. That data base has that firearms serial number and balllistic and then when that phone call is made, BANG buddy your name goes in that data base too. Next thing you know the criminal with, that stole/bought, your gun kills some overnight store clerk at quick-E-mart. The ballistics is run and guess who's name show's up on the screen??? You!!!! and heaven forbid that you didn't report that gun stolen or have said paper work of sale, cause if you didn't it's you on that stand in cuffs.

Ballistic fingerprinting failed miserably, and they don't keep the bullet. NY and MD keep the cartridge case; for all other states, it's left in the case with the gun or roundfiled by the dealer.

All that crap you see on L&O, CSI, etc. is exactly that-CRAP. Ballistic evidence is just cirumstantial without other corroborating evidence.

Since you aren't a lawyer and I don't trust such unproven, dubious "advice", I'll stick with what makes me comfortable and err on the side of caution

His advice isn't unproven or dubious. It's fact. Federal law permits private sale to and possession by 18 year olds where handguns are concerned. There is no minimum age for long guns.

State laws, however, may vary from this.

 

[OMGWTFBBQ]

As long as it's legal to sell the gun to them, I don't care how old they are, so long as they seem OK.

Also, as an 18 year old who has a handgun purchase permit issued by the state of Minnesota, I could purchase handguns from other non-FFL holding Minnesota residents.

From the Minneapolis city website:

You must be 18 years old to acquire or possess a handgun or military-style assault weapon. Federal law requires you to be 21 years old to acquire handguns from licensed dealers.

http://www.ci.minneapolis.mn.us/police/about/gun-permits.asp

 

[yongxingfreesty]

sure, if I know you well enough.

just get me your info on your drivers license and a bill of sale.

 

[Okiecruffler]

I'm continually amazed by this thread. All of the hoops that gun owners complain about having to jump thru when buying a firearm from a dealer are the exact same hoops so many of you are holding up as requirements for you to sell. Sell or not, it's your business, but take a look at what you consider "reasonable".

 

[aaronrkelly]

I would have no problem with it.....in fact I HAVE sold a handgun to a 19 year old.

Really nice Smith and Wesson 6906 with night sights....that I STILL wish I had.

Dang it.

 

[71Commander]

You can sell a handgun privately without a background check?? How am I supposed to know that the kid has a "clean record"?? I just don't think that it's a very good idea IMHO. I mean, this applies not only to 18 year-olds, but for anyone to be able to purchase a handgun privately without any background check...I'm not so sure about this.

This one just got me PO'd. Straight from the mouth's of the Brady bunch.

FYI. The Government doesn't have a right to know what I do or do not own. They may think they do. They gave them self this power. We didn't.

I have sold guns to a 18 year old. Some locally that were listed through gun boards, such as the High Road. As long as all laws were followed, I see nothing wrong with selling to an 18 year old.

 

[atblis]

Hah

Since you aren't a lawyer and I don't trust such unproven, dubious "advice", I'll stick with what makes me comfortable and err on the side of caution.

Go read the law for yourself.

(b) It shall be unlawful for any licensed importer, licensed
manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to sell or
deliver--
(1) any firearm or ammunition to any individual who the licensee
knows or has reasonable cause to believe is less than eighteen years
of age, and, if the firearm, or ammunition is other than a shotgun
or rifle, or ammunition for a shotgun or rifle, to any individual
who the licensee knows or has reasonable cause to believe is less
than twenty-one years of age;

 

[MaterDei]

I would provided they didn't give me a reason to believe that they intended to use it unsafely or illegally. Same goes for any age.

 

[Treo]

The fact that you're using internet message boards shows that A) you don't understand just how easily someone can find out everything about you or B) You think that someone you've met face to face in an on-the-level deal is more likely to steal your identity than a cybercriminal or mail thief.

Or I could just post everything I write on this board from a public computer or my cell phone, please by all means come find me

I'm continually amazed by this thread. All of the hoops that gun owners complain about having to jump thru when buying a firearm from a dealer are the exact same hoops so many of you are holding up as requirements for you to sell. Sell or not, it's your business, but take a look at what you consider "reasonable".

BIG PLUS ONE on that one,
Some of what I’m hearing in this thread would make the Brady bunch proud. I’ve asked this before and I’ll ask it again, How would you like to walk into a gun store and have a dealer decide based on his first impression of you, or a prejudice that he has about your demographic (EX. All vets have PTSD cant sell a gun to one of them oh and he decide you were a vet based strictly on your manner of dress)?

Again the guns are your property, dispose of them as you see fit, but don’t impose the same restrictions on people you sell to as the Brady Bunch does on you and then turn around and bitch about them. In the almost impossible event that the police showed up at my door asking about a gun I no longer own, that’s what I'm going to tell them. End of discussion.

 

[novaDAK]

better act fast if you want a new one since Ruger has now discontinued the P89

Balls. That's too bad, the gun really wasn't bad, but I was suffering from a case of idiocy and pride of ownership in my new-to-me (and like new) CZ-97B and just wasn't getting out to shoot ever, so an opportunity to make a $100 over the purchase price showed itself and I bit. Wish I still had it now, because it would be neat to have.

Not a problem...they've made so many of them I'm sure you'd have no problem picking up a LNIB P89 or even a NIB one for awhile.

I remember back when they discontinued the P97 people still were finding NIB ones even last year that were tucked away in dealer's stock rooms

I got mine for $229 used last year and it has been 100 percent reliable.

 

[X_m1tanker]

I'd buy a gun for my kid, hall ya!! The pen is mightier than the sword but power flows from the barrel of a gun... God bless the good 'ol US of A!!

 

[American_Pit_Bull]

Posted by Gun Slinger:
Since it violates Federal Law...No, I wouldn't sell a handgun to anyone less than 21 years of age. I value my freedom too much to do so.

You might want to brush up on the federal law that you incorrectly reference.


AND Yes... I would sell a firearm to anyone that is legally eligible to buy one in a private sale.

 

[brickeyee]

Besides that, my last contact with you on another thread on this board found you a little too easily confused when it came to matters of fact and rather lacking in common courtesy so I cannot see myself taking anything that you have to offer very seriously.

Still trying to fire your gun in space?

I got the facts correct, you got them wrong. Live with it.


Federal law ONLY restricts purchases of handguns to 21 year olds to sales from an FFL.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#b
(B1) To whom may an unlicensed person transfer firearms under the GCA? [Back]

A person may sell a firearm to an unlicensed resident of his State, if he does not know or have reasonable cause to believe the person is prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms under Federal law. A person may loan or rent a firearm to a resident of any State for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes, if he does not know or have reasonable cause to believe the person is prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms under Federal law. A person may sell or transfer a firearm to a licensee in any State. However, a firearm other than a curio or relic may not be transferred interstate to a licensed collector.

[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(3) and (5), 922(d), 27 CFR 478.29 and 478.30]
B2) From whom may an unlicensed person acquire a firearm under the GCA? [Back]

A person may only acquire a firearm within the person’s own State, except that he or she may purchase or otherwise acquire a rifle or shotgun, in person, at a licensee's premises in any State, provided the sale complies with State laws applicable in the State of sale and the State where the purchaser resides. A person may borrow or rent a firearm in any State for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes.

[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(3) and (5), 922(b)(3), 27 CFR 478.29 and 478.30]

 

[wyocarp]

My 16 year old son has free access to my gun safe and I fully trust him with gun safety. He reloads for both of us.

On the other hand, I won't let him drive my 66 mustang yet. It would be too dangerous in my opinion and I kind of bought the car for him.

 

[atblis]

On the other hand, I won't let him drive my 66 mustang yet. It would be too dangerous in my opinion and I kind of bought the car for him.

I had a 65 with a pretty stout 302 in it. That car was dangerous for anybody regardless of age.