How Much Ammo is Too Much

[lysanderxiii]

Too much ammo is when your children go hungry and your electric bill is unpaid, but you're still buying it.

Anything less is a personal preference.

 

[the foot]

Tell you right now, I have gathered up primers, bullets, brass, powder to last me for ten years of my normal shooting level. I believe that most of us don't realize the danger to the second amendment that we face.

 

[CoalTrain49]

Here's a thought. If I had to replace the 10K I have wrapped up in firearms I have insurance that would replace those. I know because I've talked at length with my ins. agent about it. I have a rider for it.

Here's a question for all of you ammo economists. Does your homeowners insurance cover your 3K worth of ammo. Or does your homeowners insurance policy get canceled for all of your loses when it's determined that some of your ammo cooked off in a fire. The fire investigator starts snooping around and finds 10K rounds of ammo and the local fire code says that only 1K is a legal amount of ammo for a residence. Or, like ins. companies are prone to do, they just don't pay your claim and wait for you to sue them so they can bring up the fact that the intensity of the fire was because of your ammo hoarding and the hazard to the firefighters delayed them from fighting the fire.

If you don't think ins. companies wouldn't do that then you've never filed a claim.

 

[DeepSouth]

Here's a question for all of you ammo economists. Does your homeowners insurance cover your 3K worth of ammo.

No

Or does your homeowners insurance policy get canceled for all of your loses when it's determined that some of your ammo cooked off in a fire.

I have a separate safe for my ammo.

The fire investigator starts snooping around and finds 10K rounds of ammo and the local fire code says that only 1K is a legal amount of ammo for a residence.

I live in the country, so no local codes

Or, like ins. companies are prone to do, they just don't pay your claim and wait for you to sue them so they can bring up the fact that the intensity of the fire was because of your ammo hoarding and the hazard to the firefighters delayed them from fighting the fire

In the event of total loss house fire I expect to have to involve a lawyer anyway, and like previously stated my ammo is in a fire safe, that's not in my house.

Good questions though.

 

[oneounceload]

I have a separate safe for my ammo.

That's a bomb waiting to happen

 

[CoalTrain49]

If the crap ever hits the fan, I'm staying put, as I live 30 miles from the nearest city, out in the woods. My ammo stash will defend the homestead for quite a awhile.

So you finally admitted it. You're a survivalist. You fell into one of my 3 categories after all of that rebuttal.

Why didn't you just come out and say it to start with?

 

[Hammer059]

Great piece. Shared on Facebook, for whatever that's worth

 

[DeepSouth]

I have a separate safe for my ammo.
That's a bomb waiting to happen

I've thought it of that, but the general consensus of THR members is that it's not big issue.


http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=779324&highlight=Bomb

 

[ljnowell]

Here's a thought. If I had to replace the 10K I have wrapped up in firearms I have insurance that would replace those. I know because I've talked at length with my ins. agent about it. I have a rider for it.

Here's a question for all of you ammo economists. Does your homeowners insurance cover your 3K worth of ammo. Or does your homeowners insurance policy get canceled for all of your loses when it's determined that some of your ammo cooked off in a fire. The fire investigator starts snooping around and finds 10K rounds of ammo and the local fire code says that only 1K is a legal amount of ammo for a residence. Or, like ins. companies are prone to do, they just don't pay your claim and wait for you to sue them so they can bring up the fact that the intensity of the fire was because of your ammo hoarding and the hazard to the firefighters delayed them from fighting the fire.

If you don't think ins. companies wouldn't do that then you've never filed a claim.

I see you are still hating on your fellow gun owners that have more ammo than you.

To answer your question, most of us are smart enough to insure our belongings. I have all of my guns and reloading equipment insured. The ammo isn't but the equipment that made it is. When it gets replaced I can make more.

 

[ljnowell]

So you finally admitted it. You're a survivalist. You fell into one of my 3 categories after all of that rebuttal.

Why didn't you just come out and say it to start with?

Someone who lives out in the country is now a survivalist? Where in the world do you come up with this crap!?

 

[bobinoregon]

I have a good job, live in the country, buy components regularly and believe in buy cheap and stack deep. No one would ever call me a survivalist. I like to shoot so I plan ahead, I haven't bought .22 in probably ten years and I still have plenty. If I see a sale on powder, primers or bullets I buy them, I figure I still have 20-30 years of shooting ahead of me so what's wrong with planning for it now ? I own slightly more than two guns and I load for all of them so buying components ahead is common sense. Not worried at all about the insurance issue. In my world I'm an average guy.

 

[moe.ron]

I looked in my county's fire code out of curiosity. Ammunition isn't mentioned once in 56 pages.

 

[CoalTrain49]

Someone who lives out in the country is now a survivalist? Where in the world do you come up with this crap!?

If the crap ever hits the fan, I'm staying put, as I live 30 miles from the nearest city, out in the woods. My ammo stash will defend the homestead for quite a awhile.

Maybe it was this armageddon scenario. What do you call this "defend the homestead in the woods" mindset?

 

[MachIVshooter]

I've thought it of that, but the general consensus of THR members is that it's not big issue.

It's not in boxes, plastic cases or military ammo cans that are designed to pop the lid, but it could be in a safe.

 

[ColoradoShooter77]

I have to steadily replace my component stash, as I mentioned before, I'm on track to shoot 15,000 rounds this year. My stash gets consumed over the course of a year, it definitely does not sit there idle, lol.

If there was ever a major disaster in the city that is 30 miles away from here, where do you think those people will go to pillage for supplies? Its human nature.

If there ever was an event like that....they won't be pillaging this place, lol.

Do you have a problem with "preppers"? Its also prudent to have a 2 week stash of drinking water, one month worth of food and enough gas for the vehicles to last a month. Its called being prepared.

 

[ljnowell]

Maybe it was this armageddon scenario. What do you call this "defend the homestead in the woods" mindset?

I call it being prepared. Have you not seen the riots in cities recently. Eventually violence can/will spill out into rural areas also.

I've lived "in the country" my whole life. Do you know how long it takes for police to make it out in the sticks? 45 minutes isn't unusual. How much bad stuff could happen in 45 minutes if you have a couple armed tweakers that you have found on your property? Or perhaps the next angry group of "protesters" who haven't gotten their way?

Out here in the country we expect to have to take care of ourselves.

 

[CoalTrain49]

I call it being prepared. Have you not seen the riots in cities recently. Eventually violence can/will spill out into rural areas also.

I think that is a popular misconception. People who live in cities will stay there because that's all they know, even with riots going on. People who live in cities put up with a lot, even riots. To prove that you don't ever see any mass migration of people into the country during riots. People who live in cities do the same thing you would do, they just stay put in the area that they know best and hunker down. Most of them believe the gov't will take care of them. They don't want to leave their friends, family and big screen.

Prepper, survivalist, call it what you want. The terms are synonymous.

You take exception to my statement that people who stockpile ammo fall into one of three categories but it seems just about everyone here falls into one of those categories.

Maybe you just don't like labels. The biggest reason for the ammo panic was hoarders and preppers thinking that ammo supplies were going to dry up. They were right because they made it happen.

 

[j1]

When reading the title of the thread I thought it would be foolish, but after listening to it and reading it I found only an excellent post. Thank you very much.

 

[ColoradoShooter77]

You will be the first one to moan when supplies dry up again, coaltrain, because you didn't stock up when prices are dirt cheap and the stuff is available.

I just call it being prudent and smart.

I survived the last shortage of 2013-2014, but I used up most of my stash riding out the storm. This time.....I will be ready!

Right now, I'm not causing any shortages, I'm just buying as much as I can, when I can....because its available right now.

 

[ljnowell]

I think that is a popular misconception. People who live in cities will stay there because that's all they know, even with riots going on. People who live in cities put up with a lot, even riots. To prove that you don't ever see any mass migration of people into the country during riots. People who live in cities do the same thing you would do, they just stay put in the area that they know best and hunker down. Most of them believe the gov't will take care of them. They don't want to leave their friends, family and big screen.

Prepper, survivalist, call it what you want. The terms are synonymous.

You take exception to my statement that people who stockpile ammo fall into one of three categories but it seems just about everyone here falls into one of those categories.

Maybe you just don't like labels. The biggest reason for the ammo panic was hoarders and preppers thinking that ammo supplies were going to dry up. They were right because they made it happen.

Well LOOKY here, we have a psychic! He knows exactly what people will do in a riot scenario!

 

[MachIVshooter]

Well LOOKY here, we have a psychic! He knows exactly what people will do in a riot scenario!

He's probably more right than wrong where riots or other civil unrest exist on a limited scope, but there is still ROL. People avoid the hot zone, but the cities are not abandoned. But we're just talking about a few blocks of danger zone, usually pretty well contained by LE or even the guard.

In a more extreme situation, things will change. If the power and running water cease and there is no supply of food and water, and no/very limited civil authority or help, staying becomes untenable in short order, and cities will see a mass exodus. People may not know where they're going, but they know they can't stay because basic needs are not being met without infrastructure.

 

[ljnowell]

He's probably more right than wrong where riots or other civil unrest exist on a limited scope, but there is still ROL. People avoid the hot zone, but the cities are not abandoned. But we're just talking about a few blocks of danger zone, usually pretty well contained by LE or even the guard.



In a more extreme situation, things will change. If the power and running water cease and there is no supply of food and water, and no/very limited civil authority or help, staying becomes untenable in short order, and cities will see a mass exodus. People may not know where they're going, but they know they can't stay because basic needs are not being met without infrastructure.

You know as well as I do that no one can predict anything in a situation like that. Riot isn't just being used to describe something like ferguson. Riot is also used to describe a collapse of services that leads to the SHTF scenario. Last I checked though SHTF discussion wasn't a topic allowed here so I was gently sidestepping it and using the term riot.

 

[MachIVshooter]

You know as well as I do that no one can predict anything in a situation like that. Riot isn't just being used to describe something like ferguson. Riot is also used to describe a collapse of services that leads to the SHTF scenario. Last I checked though SHTF discussion wasn't a topic allowed here so I was gently sidestepping it and using the term riot.

When someone says riot, I take it to mean exactly that, not a euphemism for total collapse. It is a well defined noun in our lexicon. They are indeed chaotic, destructive, and dangerous, but even the worst ones we've had here were far from a total breakdown, WROL, SHTF type situation. Might seem that way if you got caught smack dab in the middle of the hottest zones where things are burning everywhere and civil authorities have basically just created a barrier to contain it and decided to let whatever happens within sort itself out, but a few blocks or maybe a couple miles away, depending on the magnitude, life is still pretty normal.

That's a very different situation from something like Katrina that takes down power grids for multiple towns, cities and counties, physically wipes out entire neighborhoods and business districts and completely overwhelms fire, EMS and LE.

Point is, as long as people believe things will return to a relative state of normalcy before they run out of bare necessities, most are more likely to stay put.

 

[CoalTrain49]

Well LOOKY here, we have a psychic! He knows exactly what people will do in a riot scenario!

Nothing psychic about it. We've had riots in the US before. It didn't happen in LA in the 90's when they burned out large parts of the city. As far as I know it has never happened in any riots. Do you know of any situation where it has happened? I would be interested in reading about it. Not saying it couldn't happen, just saying I think it's more of a romantic notion that preppers and survivalists like to believe.

 

[larryh1108]

We've just lived thru an ammo buying panic that lasted over 2 years. Does anyone remember the price of common ammo during it's peak?

Next fall we are having a presidential election with one of the candidates even more anti-gun than the current president. Any guess on what would happen if she gets elected? Can we say ammo panic II that lasts for years and will be made even worse with ammo taxes and ammo permits-to-buy among other Clintonian laws?

Now is the best time to buy ammo for the next 5 years or more if you can afford it and store it. If you don't, you'll be one of the many whiners we saw in the last panic. Buy it and store it or be at the mercy of government regulation.

Going to the range and burning powder doesn't have a damn thing to do with being pro 2A. All it tells me is you don't want to pay banic prices for ammo, a *I beat the market* sort of mentality.

Is there a point here? Yeah, we don't want to pay inflated prices for ammo. Obviously you do. Your money. Your decision. That works both ways you know. Our money, our decision.

If you have 1000 rounds of centerfire rifle ammo you fall into the comp shooter, survivalist, or jihadist category. I don't know anyone who falls in any of those categories.

No, the bottom line is if you have more than you can carry at a time by yourself reasonable distance you have an excess of ammo.

The bottom line is people should not be hoarding ammo. In the future we will have firearm permits which will be required for all ammo purchases logic being that people lacking them should not buy own ammo in the first place. It will be great just like buying Sudafed products at local drug store. Nothing to worry about.

Huh? Really? LoL, good one.

The fire investigator starts snooping around and finds 10K rounds of ammo and the local fire code says that only 1K is a legal amount of ammo for a residence.

LoL, another good one.


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