How much do you know about guns?

[Mike Irwin]

Hey everyone?

Some good information on why hollow point bullets tend to be more accurate at longer ranges...

But here's a sort of complimentary question...

Why does the military use Sierra's open-nose solid bullets (NOT hollow points, even though they look a little like one) in its long-range match and sniper rifles?

 

[Mike Irwin]

Another trivia question for you...

Name the first .30-30 lever rifle capable of safely using pointed bullets as opposed to flat or round nose bullets.

 

[Ironbarr]

Mike, am I having to wait till tomorrow to get the answers? Hope not.

TIA

-Andy

 

[Mike Irwin]

I want some guesses before I reveal the answers...

 

[sm]

30-30

Savage
model # escapes me
99 perhaps?

 

[achadwick]

Mike,

Wasn't there a rotary magazine lever action .30-30 that was briefly produced sometime during the last ice age? Or maybe early last century? Thought I read somewhere about that rifle but don't recall the manufacturer or model number. Am I close?

 

[9mmepiphany]

construction of military bullets governed by the treaty of versaille, right?...yeah i know i can't spell, but it's a french word and i'm just having a block

 

[Majic]

I blew a perfect score on the prawl question.

Savage M99 with the rotary magaizine.

 

[Backwoods]

The only 2 candidates I can think of are the Winchester M95 and the Savage M99. Of the 2 I'll go with the '99 'cause I seem to recall that it was made in many various calibers over the years.

Don in Ohio

 

[P95Carry]

Owning a M99C .. seems most likely candidate to me. Lever - but .... std mag and not tubular..... and yeah .. many cals chambered for ... and 30-30 one for sure.

Answers Mike .. answers!!

 

[Ironbarr]

Ah - the tension builds... Mike enjoys the writhing, the begging, the #$%#$. Give it up, Mike.:banghead:

 

[BluesBear]

9mmepiphany,

The Treaty of Versailles ended WWI It also spelled out the conditions of the surrender of and the rebuilding of Germany. Among other things, it limited the capacity of Germany to manufacture arms and form armies.

The Hague Accord is what determined the do's and don't's of military munitions performance.

I never could understand how an expanding bullet could cause the enemy "undue suffering". :banghead: Grenades and land mines cause less suffering?

 

[Topgun]

Savage 99.

Also Browning made some lever action semi auto guns where a gas cup operated the lever but I think most of em used the tube mag.

But somewhere in my mind, it seems I saw one with a mag stickin out the bottom

......if experimentals count.

 

[Mike Irwin]

If you guessed the Savage 99, technically, you're wrong.

At the time Savage chambered the .30-30, the company referred to the rifle as the 1899. What a difference two digits makes.


As for the other question, why does the military use closed nose solids instead of traditional full metal jacket bullets for long range target and sniping?

Simple...

A perfect base is more important to accuracy than a perfect nose profile. By having a solid base, you're much more likely to get a flawless base as opposed to an FMJ with its open base and exposed lead core.

 

[Hot brass]

I got 8 right and I don`t figger I know squattttt.......

 

[Topgun]

MIKE

And here I thought there was a Winchester 73.

Jimmy Stewart was WRONG???

 

[wardog]

I got all but the prawl question.

Although, if the hollow point explanations above are correct, then I got two wrong.

According to Sierra ballistician David Brown, "The hollowpoint design is a by-product of our production process, not for expansion upon impact. Formed jackets are fitted into a precision die, upside down; the lead is pressed in at a carefully controlled rate until all but an exact , small space in the tip is filled. Now, in order to extract the the finished bullet from this tight die, a thin, wirelike punch is pushed through, right into a narrow hole left in the tip for this purpose. Out pops the bullet, which now has a tiny hole and slight unfilled space in the tip."