Double Naught Spy
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Sadly, I carry a Colt Pony and a spare mag, plus a CRKT folder. Neither are ideal for my needs and I am not proficient enough with either, but I practice...
How (what) do you carry when it CAN'T show?
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jamz
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Like Double Naught Spy, Colt Pony in front pocket holster. Pretty much invisible, as long as I'm careful.
If I'm not careful, it looks like a large wallet in my pocket.
-James
If I'm not careful, it looks like a large wallet in my pocket.
-James
cslinger
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I realize you would like a small auto but don't rule out the original and I still believe on of the best choices. The Jframe sized revolver. I carry a model 60 in the front pocket of blue jeans all the time and it prints no more than a wallet would and the Model 60 is a veritable chuck of steel compared to the airweight and airlight offereings.
My argument for this centers around the following.
Time tested cartridge whether .38 or .357 magnum. Both have been getting the job done for a long time.
More reliable in many cases then tiny semi-autos. I don't mean to say that revolvers are more reliable over all but tiny semi's tend to have more issues.
Very very concealable, very safe, very powerful and a very simple manual of arms.
Very adaptable as far as ammo types are concerned.
If a varient with a hammer, cocking to put the firearm into single action usually gives you a spectacular single action trigger pull, better than any semi auto. This aids in accuracy when you have to make a shot and it has to be just right.
Basically maintance free. Get home, dump rounds, wipe down, reload repeat.
No springs left compressed like in magazines and much easier to unload and reload as part of daily routine. See above, you should never wipe loaded guns down just to be safe.
Now you are limited to only 5 rounds, and reloads are slower unless you really practice but extra ammo is easier to carry and speed loaders and strips are cheaper than magazines not to mention that loose ammo works as well.
Now I am not an old curmudgen, nor am I a revolver guy at heart. I have just found that even though I would prefer to carry any of our myriad of semi-autos of all shapes and sizes the Jframe seems to get the nod 90% of the time simply because it is an always gun than I feel confident has the power to get the job done.
Just my two cents. I did not mean to hijack just wanted to help.
Chris
My argument for this centers around the following.
Time tested cartridge whether .38 or .357 magnum. Both have been getting the job done for a long time.
More reliable in many cases then tiny semi-autos. I don't mean to say that revolvers are more reliable over all but tiny semi's tend to have more issues.
Very very concealable, very safe, very powerful and a very simple manual of arms.
Very adaptable as far as ammo types are concerned.
If a varient with a hammer, cocking to put the firearm into single action usually gives you a spectacular single action trigger pull, better than any semi auto. This aids in accuracy when you have to make a shot and it has to be just right.
Basically maintance free. Get home, dump rounds, wipe down, reload repeat.
No springs left compressed like in magazines and much easier to unload and reload as part of daily routine. See above, you should never wipe loaded guns down just to be safe.
Now you are limited to only 5 rounds, and reloads are slower unless you really practice but extra ammo is easier to carry and speed loaders and strips are cheaper than magazines not to mention that loose ammo works as well.
Now I am not an old curmudgen, nor am I a revolver guy at heart. I have just found that even though I would prefer to carry any of our myriad of semi-autos of all shapes and sizes the Jframe seems to get the nod 90% of the time simply because it is an always gun than I feel confident has the power to get the job done.
Just my two cents. I did not mean to hijack just wanted to help.
Chris
GunNut
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511 jeans?
Are these Levi's?
Steve
Are these Levi's?
Steve
Walther PPK in a belly band worn under the pants (below the belt). The gun is positioned in front.
You'll have to experiment with gun placement. A little to the left of "center" works well for me. Directly in the center bulges a bit much and can pinch when I sit down.
I have NEVER had anyone make me while carrying this way. Even my wife who knows exactly how I carry can't tell I'm carrying without touching. You can carry wearing normally fitting pants and a tucked in shirt. Gun accessibility is not exactly fast compared to IWB, but it's EONS faster than running to the car and requires NO unusual or different clothing choices.
You'll have to experiment with gun placement. A little to the left of "center" works well for me. Directly in the center bulges a bit much and can pinch when I sit down.
I have NEVER had anyone make me while carrying this way. Even my wife who knows exactly how I carry can't tell I'm carrying without touching. You can carry wearing normally fitting pants and a tucked in shirt. Gun accessibility is not exactly fast compared to IWB, but it's EONS faster than running to the car and requires NO unusual or different clothing choices.
I wear cowboy boots and jeans at work too. Carry a FEG PA-63 in my right boot (no holster) on the right , it's size (just a little larger than a Walther PP) situates it with the grips just above the top of the boot.
No, I carry a Star PD in a horsehide HBE IWB holster http://www.hbeleatherworks.com/ all night long while driving my cab.
Well. I thought that 511's were Levi's and they did make some but all I can find are vintage pairs for women and children. Back to the drawing board re: pants.
John, which brand of belly band do you have?
Jojosdad, on the FEG, do you just drop it in the boot and let it rattle around? (Doesn't that hurt?) Or do you use some sort of restraint, just not a holster (Ace bandage, etc?)
Thanks,
Mike
John, which brand of belly band do you have?
Jojosdad, on the FEG, do you just drop it in the boot and let it rattle around? (Doesn't that hurt?) Or do you use some sort of restraint, just not a holster (Ace bandage, etc?)
Thanks,
Mike
I've had it a lot of years and removed the tag a long time ago because it was getting gummed up in the velcro. I so remember that I ordered it from the Sportsman's Guide--but that isn't much help since they often stock overruns and closeouts...
I think any bellyband that has a pocket that fits your gun well will work. The band needs to hold the gun fairly securely. If the gun can slide around, it can get into uncomfortable positions or can shift so that it protrudes in places that polite gentlemen would rather not have things protrude in public.
Second, even though bellybands often have pockets/pouches for a spare mag, carry your spare mag in a pants pocket or elsewhere. There may be things more uncomfortable than carrying a mag in a bellyband pocket, but I've not found one yet.
Third, I spent some time with my PPK, a file and emery paper some time back (my PPK is stainless) and made carrying in the belly band about 100% more comfortable than before. You'd be surprised how even a small reduction in sharp edges can make a difference in the comfort level. I doubt most folks would even notice that my PPK has been modified but I can sure tell at the end of a long day when I remove the bellyband.
Fourth, carrying in a belly band will treat you to one of the great pleasures in life--removing it after having had it on a long time.
Fifth, it will make you very happy on the days you can carry IWB with an untucked shirt.
Still, for great concealment, it's virtually impossible to beat. I'd venture to guess that even a cursory pat down would miss it since the searcher would really have to go for a crotch grab to find it.
I think any bellyband that has a pocket that fits your gun well will work. The band needs to hold the gun fairly securely. If the gun can slide around, it can get into uncomfortable positions or can shift so that it protrudes in places that polite gentlemen would rather not have things protrude in public.
Second, even though bellybands often have pockets/pouches for a spare mag, carry your spare mag in a pants pocket or elsewhere. There may be things more uncomfortable than carrying a mag in a bellyband pocket, but I've not found one yet.
Third, I spent some time with my PPK, a file and emery paper some time back (my PPK is stainless) and made carrying in the belly band about 100% more comfortable than before. You'd be surprised how even a small reduction in sharp edges can make a difference in the comfort level. I doubt most folks would even notice that my PPK has been modified but I can sure tell at the end of a long day when I remove the bellyband.
Fourth, carrying in a belly band will treat you to one of the great pleasures in life--removing it after having had it on a long time.
Fifth, it will make you very happy on the days you can carry IWB with an untucked shirt.
Still, for great concealment, it's virtually impossible to beat. I'd venture to guess that even a cursory pat down would miss it since the searcher would really have to go for a crotch grab to find it.
Jiml3
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Kahr PM9 in a Fist iside the waist holster. Don't remember the holster name but it is very thin kydex. Wore it while hiking on belted shorts and a close fitting tee shirt. Very, very conceable and comfortable.
Thanks for the clarification W. Unfortunately, looking at the products shown on their site, I don't think they'll work for the situation I face. The BDU's (Tactical Pants) look like BDU's and would have me catching lots of attention and flak. The uniform pants look like BDU's (Class B's) or uniform pants. Either way I'm still going to draw attention. Back to the drawing board! I either need jeans with DEEP pockets or something closer to Dockers. Anyone know anything about the Dockers they made for the techies? They had hidden pockets as I recall for cell phone/PDA/ect.
Thanks,
Mike
Thanks,
Mike
nitesite
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I'm 5'11" 200-lbs with a 36" waist. With loose fit Levis or pleated dark khakis, my 442 and Galco Deep Cover has never been noticed. Simply pull up on shirt with weak (left) hand and I can draw and fire in less than two seconds. I wear it above my right front pocket (appendix carry).
This Galco is horsehide and has a reinforced opening with a tension screw, and it's tuckable so practically any shirt will cover the Butler Creek boot grips. Only about 1 1/2" of the butt shows above my belt. I always wear an undershirt, so there is no chafing to my skin.
Good luck with your quest!
This Galco is horsehide and has a reinforced opening with a tension screw, and it's tuckable so practically any shirt will cover the Butler Creek boot grips. Only about 1 1/2" of the butt shows above my belt. I always wear an undershirt, so there is no chafing to my skin.
Good luck with your quest!
Kris
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I have a couple pair of the "techie" dockers. The front pockets are deep and should work well for a pocket holster. However, I have never used one, so I cannot say for sure.
They also have stealth zippered seam pockets that are long an skinny, but I have found these pretty useless. May work for a spare mag though...
Mine have a flat front and seem to fit a little tight. If they make peated front that may give more room up front and help prevent printing.
They also have stealth zippered seam pockets that are long an skinny, but I have found these pretty useless. May work for a spare mag though...
Mine have a flat front and seem to fit a little tight. If they make peated front that may give more room up front and help prevent printing.
22luvr
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two invisible choices......
I pocket-carry one of two pistols all the time:
Kel-Tec P-3AT in DeSantis Nemesis pocket holster.
and even smaller......
NAA mini-revolver with 1 1/8" barrel in .22mag in an
Uncle Mike's size one pocket holster.
I wear Docker style pleated front pants and both of these rigs are invisible.
I pocket-carry one of two pistols all the time:
Kel-Tec P-3AT in DeSantis Nemesis pocket holster.
and even smaller......
NAA mini-revolver with 1 1/8" barrel in .22mag in an
Uncle Mike's size one pocket holster.
I wear Docker style pleated front pants and both of these rigs are invisible.
E36M3
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I'm brand new to CCW and I've got a Kimber Ultra CDP in a Smart Carry right now. I'm pretty surprised by the total concealment and comfort. My search continues for other modes of carry, but this one's impressive.
Alerion
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Mike,
I'm a retired Indiana LEO myself. I frequently carry a P-32 or a Guardian .380 in a rear pocket holster. I have convertible (front or rear pocket) holsters for both from Pocketholsters.com. Even though they look like wallets when used in a rear pocket they are not considered wallet holsters. The holsters that are illegal are the ones that allow you to fire without removing the gun from the holster. Most rear pocket holsters can't be (safely) fired from the holster. BTW I like the pocketholster products because the rear pocket shield can be removed and the holster can be used in a front pocket. That's generally how I carry the Guardian because its extra weight makes it a bit more noticable (to me) hanging farther out on my butt.
BTW, my primary carry gun is a Kahr K-40 Elite in a Milt Sparks Versa-Max II IWB. But it's a little much to conceal with a T-shirt.
Tom
tlhelmer
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Glock 27!
You said you already have a Makarov, right?
You might be able to make that work. It would be worth a try anyway, the Mak is a great pistol. My Mak is my main carry gun.
But I mostly wear baggy T-shirts, so it's somewhat easy to hide a Mak IWB...
But there are times when the Mak is too big, or too heavy, or I'm about to run out the door on short notice and I just don't have time to mess with the holster. Or maybe I want to carry 2 pistols...
For those times, I got myself a Beretta Model 950BS "Jetfire".
It's about the same size (and price) as a P32, but I believe it's a better pistol. It's only drawback is it's caliber, it's a .25 (instead of .32 like the Kel-Tec).
My Dad, and most of the people I shoot with, like to make fun of it... .25ACP is not the most fearsome round out there... but it's as reliable as my Makarov (and that says alot), and it's also pretty darn accurate for such a small pistol. I believe that a hit with a .25 is better than a miss with a .32, and I miss alot when I try to shoot my Dad's P32 (I HATE the trigger pull on those Kel-Tecs).
So if you're looking for a good "mouse gun", you might want to consider the Beretta...
You might be able to make that work. It would be worth a try anyway, the Mak is a great pistol. My Mak is my main carry gun.
But I mostly wear baggy T-shirts, so it's somewhat easy to hide a Mak IWB...
But there are times when the Mak is too big, or too heavy, or I'm about to run out the door on short notice and I just don't have time to mess with the holster. Or maybe I want to carry 2 pistols...
For those times, I got myself a Beretta Model 950BS "Jetfire".
It's about the same size (and price) as a P32, but I believe it's a better pistol. It's only drawback is it's caliber, it's a .25 (instead of .32 like the Kel-Tec).
My Dad, and most of the people I shoot with, like to make fun of it... .25ACP is not the most fearsome round out there... but it's as reliable as my Makarov (and that says alot), and it's also pretty darn accurate for such a small pistol. I believe that a hit with a .25 is better than a miss with a .32, and I miss alot when I try to shoot my Dad's P32 (I HATE the trigger pull on those Kel-Tecs).
So if you're looking for a good "mouse gun", you might want to consider the Beretta...
unspellable
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I won't offer any opinions on how to carry but I will nominate the Kel-Tec P32 as the smallest self loader for CCW.
The 32 ACP is about the minumum as a half way effective cartridge. The Kel-Tec P32 is the thinnest and lightest the 32's and close to the smallest for height and length. I find it quite reliable. I am inclined to think this is because it is recoil opewrated rather than a blow back.
I had an AMT 380. It was a jammomatic. I had a Guardian in 32 ACP, better, but still jammed now and then.
I won't offer any opinions on how to carry but I will nominate the Kel-Tec P32 as the smallest self loader for CCW.
The 32 ACP is about the minumum as a half way effective cartridge. The Kel-Tec P32 is the thinnest and lightest the 32's and close to the smallest for height and length. I find it quite reliable. I am inclined to think this is because it is recoil opewrated rather than a blow back.
I had an AMT 380. It was a jammomatic. I had a Guardian in 32 ACP, better, but still jammed now and then.
Nick96
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I'm with David 4516 on this one. When it absolutly, positivly, no question, whatever I'm wearing, has to be deep concealed - it's a Beretta .25ACP BS 950 "Jetfire". I've personally time tested these conditions for over 15 years.
I've been thinking about getting the Kel-Tec P-32 just for the larger caliber (personally I don't think the ballistic merits of the .380ACP favor the added weight & size of the P3AT over the P-32 - but to each their own). But with the conflicting reliability stories floating around regarding Kel-Tec's - a considerable amount of "reliable" cycling would have to take place before I'd trust it. The P-32's are fairy inexpensive - so I'll likely get one and work with it - and see what happens.
But the Beretta "Jetfire" has proven to be reliable (a proven design that goes back to the 1950's). What it lacks in "knock down" power, it makes up for in reliability, 9 round capacity and close range accuracy. Actually - the single action feature, the fact that it won't easily be put out of battery if the muzzel is pushed against something, the "tip barrel" loading / unloading feature and 9 round capacity are big pluses for me.
I wish Beretta (or some equal quality manufacturer) would produce the BS 950 platform in .32ACP - it would be the perfect package. With modern metalergy - I'm sure it's completely doable. Beretta's "Tomcat" .32ACP was a good attempt - but it's entirely too big & heavy (real close to a "fly-weight" J-Frame S&W .38/.357 revolver) - and I've found the trigger system to be completely unsatisfactory for me.
I've been thinking about getting the Kel-Tec P-32 just for the larger caliber (personally I don't think the ballistic merits of the .380ACP favor the added weight & size of the P3AT over the P-32 - but to each their own). But with the conflicting reliability stories floating around regarding Kel-Tec's - a considerable amount of "reliable" cycling would have to take place before I'd trust it. The P-32's are fairy inexpensive - so I'll likely get one and work with it - and see what happens.
But the Beretta "Jetfire" has proven to be reliable (a proven design that goes back to the 1950's). What it lacks in "knock down" power, it makes up for in reliability, 9 round capacity and close range accuracy. Actually - the single action feature, the fact that it won't easily be put out of battery if the muzzel is pushed against something, the "tip barrel" loading / unloading feature and 9 round capacity are big pluses for me.
I wish Beretta (or some equal quality manufacturer) would produce the BS 950 platform in .32ACP - it would be the perfect package. With modern metalergy - I'm sure it's completely doable. Beretta's "Tomcat" .32ACP was a good attempt - but it's entirely too big & heavy (real close to a "fly-weight" J-Frame S&W .38/.357 revolver) - and I've found the trigger system to be completely unsatisfactory for me.
Go to,
www.highnoonholsters.com
click on holster (IWB) "hidden impact"
You can wear any gun they make the holster for with your shrit tucked in and no one will know, as long as you wear a belt to cover clip.
I carry a sig 220 in a "hidden impact" when I have too.
most of the time I use the " tail gunner" because I can wear an un-tucked shrit. Don't forget to buy a good belt.
www.highnoonholsters.com
click on holster (IWB) "hidden impact"
You can wear any gun they make the holster for with your shrit tucked in and no one will know, as long as you wear a belt to cover clip.
I carry a sig 220 in a "hidden impact" when I have too.
most of the time I use the " tail gunner" because I can wear an un-tucked shrit. Don't forget to buy a good belt.
Rapidrob
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I use an elastic belly band holster, white in color. The pistol is a Kel-Tec P3 A/T ( 380) . I wear it to work every day, and for play. As it sits under my left arm, it cannot be seen even if I wear a light weight shirt. Very fast to draw.
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