Huge news in IL (CCW, removal of Chicago AWB)

[egyas]

Easy to say, hard to do. Have you tried to sell a house in Northern Illinois right now? My house (9 years old) is now $50k-$60K undervalued now because of our abysmal housing market. House should be valued at $150k-$160k. Tax assessment is $121K, REAL sale value (based on comparables) is ROUGHLY $90k (give or take $10k).

That places my house at about $20k UNDERWATER.

Move out? We've wanted to for several years, but now we're suck in this crap-hole of hell because we can't get his albatross of a house off from around our necks!

 

[usmarine0352_2005]

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So what happens now?




The senate and house versions are very different. Do they choose one version over the other?



Does the house version, the more pro-gun version have enough votes to become law?
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[egyas]

So, if this passes the Senate, and after Quinn's signature or 60 days of waiting.........

What's to stop them from passing, with a simple majority vote, and amendment to restore the Home rule exemption? That will instantly give the Lib's EVERYTHING they want in their jurisdictions.

Also, I just called my local police, AND county Sheriff's office, and NEITHER of them offer digital finger printing services for civies, EVEN FOR A PRICE. The Illinois State Police told me they "weren't sure, but didn't think so". So how the hell am I supposed to get digital fingerprints for the application?

 

[JFtheGR8]

Quinn's amendatory veto will carve this up to be may issue (strongly resembling the senate bill but worse), assault weapons ban and a high capacity magazine ban for the entire state is my concern. Am I being negative? Perhaps, I am a realist though and have no trust for the liberals that try to run this state. Remember BHO used to be one of them. Just gotta sit back and wait it out.


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[HKGuns]

OMG! Blood will flow in the streets if this passes.......oh wait, it already is in Cook County.

 

[Trent]

I'm still being censored on IL carry, no posting privileges. Go figure.

Anyway, what happens now is we enjoy the fireworks in the Senate.

Then we get more fireworks from the Governor.

Then, we will know what their 'final solution' is. I'd be willing to wager a month's salary Quinn will drop an atom bomb of an amendatory veto back. And enough of the our reps will cave to the pressure that the Chicago iron curtain will fall over the entirety of the state.

My prediction is it will be a bumpy ride, and in the end, we'll be hung out to dry.

You can tell my faith in the dignity and ethics of this State are... nonexistent.

 

[Old Fuff]

You may be right, but they still have to get it past the courts.

 

[50 cal]

Im sorry but Iv'e watched my state government exausted and tired of this issue. They are tired and they have blood on thier hands at the expense of my hard earned money and they can't figure out how they want to negotiate my basic rights. Im finished with this pathetic excuse of a gooberment. The largest show they see in Springfield is IGOLD and they don't care. I truely understand how the colonies must have felt about KING GEORGE. I know my statements won't help, but WE THE PEOPLE (of ILL-NOIZ) need to take a stand and not settle for this CRAAAAAP. We.can do better and if we get (CONSTITUTIONAL CARRY) then so be it. Our crappy polititions have earned it. I guess I shouldn't be so angry because they've only had 6 months to figure out how my basic rights work.

 

[rodinal220]

What did Madigan get in return??????????????????????????????

 

[VVelox]

I am more than willing to put up with a crappy CC law that can be fixed down the road if it will get ride of the crap we have here in Cook county and Chicago.

 

[usmarine0352_2005]

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On the other hand they could pass this law to align with the 7th Circuits ruling than basically make it may issue while calling it shall issue and no one but the elite get permits.
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[ilbob]

This bill is crap and madigan won. Our guys caved.
If ISRA endorses this I'm tearing up my membership card.

It is quite instructive to note that after the "no bad bill" mantra from the NRA lobbbyist they totally caved. That is the way politics works. It is why no one in politics can ever be trusted to do as they say.

OTOH, they got what they thought they could out of the mess.

In some respects it is a huge deal to total preempt firearms across the state. Might be worth the all but useless LTC that we may or may not get.

My guess is the plan is to do some amendatory vetoing to make it closer to a no issue in Chicago than a state wide shall issue bill. We will see.

The silence from the NRA and ISRA on the issue suggests they are complicit in the whole deal and either the other side or they don't want to admit to it.

In the long run. preemption might be worth this useless LTC.

 

[Willie Sutton]

Guys:

You've gone from NO CARRY to a bill that folks in NJ would consider to be gold plated.


Shall issue?

Preemptive against local laws?

Rolling back some of the EBR nonsense?

Out of state permits issued?

Uhh... that sounds pretty damned good to me.



Not carrying on a public bus... <shrugs>... with the penalty for being *caught* doing so not even a felony? <shrugs again>.... sounds like a pretty small bone they threw at Chicago.


Need to take a course to get a permit? Two days of it? Uhh... that's actually probably about the right amount of training, if the training is quality training and includes a day on the range *really* shooting. Heck, sign me up. I'm in Wisconsin, and will apply for an out of state permit the day they start accepting applications.


Maybe your bill isn't solid gold, but it looks pretty shiny from here.


Willie


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[VVelox]

Willie Sutton, agreed. The death of Chicago and Cook county gun laws is a very major deal. We can fix these annoyances later on. Killing the crap in Chicago and Cook county later on if this does not do it will be a very notably more uphill battle than fixing the flaws in this bill.

 

[Kingcreek]

I was mad as hell and felt betrayed. I've cooled off some since. I still don't like a lot of things about this bill but if it survives the process thru senate and governor in its current form I can accept it.
The ISRA didn't endorse it and I'm still a member.
I'm disgusted with the political process in Illinois and I don't trust madigan enough to think he couldn't or wouldn't pull a wildcard out of his sleeve. So I'm taking a wait and see attitude for now.
I've also had a serious discussion with my wife about moving out of state. Of course that means leaving my widowed mother here barely living independently, a small business and commercial property, and a small farm with a home we built for ourselves and dearly love.
Not easy, but now that we realise we live in madiganistan even though its 3 hours drive to the Chicago cesspool. This is a tough situation.

 

[Trent]

Right now all we have is speculation over what the Senate and Governor will do.

But let us not forget that this Governor recently used amendatory veto to gut a bill that makes it legal for me to ship ammo to another Illinois resident, to toss an assault weapon bill back at the legislators.

You think he will not waste this golden opportunity to flaunt the gigantic loophole of amendatory veto that Chicago worked so hard to put in place in our 1970 constitution....?

Mike Madigan wants him to do it. He could care less if we get carry, or an assault weapons ban, or anything of the sort. He wants his daughter Lisa, our attorney general, to have the Governor's mansion in the next election. That way his power is truly consolidated. He'll throw every man that gets in his way under the bus in this power play.

Make no mistake this is just a golden opportunity he can't pass up. The man is powerful.

What it means for us? Until the dust settles we have no idea what this means for our rights.

 

[lilguy]

We got nothing yet. Madigan is not interested in seeing CCW and anyone who thinks this law is worth trading SA rifles and Hi cap mags for is in a coma. The folks at Illinois Carry are not exactly thrilled but I'm worried everyone will nap now and we'll loose more in other areas than we gain from some final version of this House bill. I have friends that have spent a lifetime amassing a collection that could be decimated in one fell swoop of the Governors pen. Being able to carry in some areas of the state is not worth the trade off, I hope folks are still paying attention.

 

[JFtheGR8]

Right now all we have is speculation over what the Senate and Governor will do.

But let us not forget that this Governor recently used amendatory veto to gut a bill that makes it legal for me to ship ammo to another Illinois resident, to toss an assault weapon bill back at the legislators.

You think he will not waste this golden opportunity to flaunt the gigantic loophole of amendatory veto that Chicago worked so hard to put in place in our 1970 constitution....?

Mike Madigan wants him to do it. He could care less if we get carry, or an assault weapons ban, or anything of the sort. He wants his daughter Lisa, our attorney general, to have the Governor's mansion in the next election. That way his power is truly consolidated. He'll throw every man that gets in his way under the bus in this power play.

Make no mistake this is just a golden opportunity he can't pass up. The man is powerful.

What it means for us? Until the dust settles we have no idea what this means for our rights.

BINGO! We have a winner. I believe the amendatory veto has been the plan from the beginning. We shall see.



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[Trent]

BINGO! We have a winner. I believe the amendatory veto has been the plan from the beginning. We shall see.



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Well, if it happens, all I can do is say 'I tried to warn you.'

I got banned from posting on IL carry simply for suggesting that was the end game. And my thread about it was nuked.

When the 'troops' are all celebrating with their guard down, is the best time to strike.

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

It's a step in the right direction for Illinois...and a HUGE one at that.

However, it isn't law yet. And, of course, there will be opposition even after it should become law.

So don't give up. Ever.

 

[usmarine0352_2005]

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Two days of training?




Do you think a single mom who lives at the poverty level will be able to afford or take the time off for 2 days of training to exercise her Constitutional rights?
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[VVelox]

Amendatory veto is not a threat to us. The suggestion is laughable. So he rewrites the bill and sends it back? They either laugh and override the veto or the bill dies. Madigan can bring any bill forward when he wants. He does not need amendatory veto to make something appear.

 

[JFtheGR8]

Amendatory veto is not a threat to us. The suggestion is laughable. So he rewrites the bill and sends it back? They either laugh and override the veto or the bill dies. Madigan can bring any bill forward when he wants. He does not need amendatory veto to make something appear.

I hope you're right. I'm not celebrating yet.


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[zorro45]

The restrictions on this bill make it very problematic, however it is better than nothing.
So basically you can carry legally in your car.

 

[Dframe]

No celebrations yet. The chicago machine (including our intellect challenged governor) will DO EVERYTHING they can to kill it in the senate. They will use every tactic no matter how unethical, illegal, brutal, or filthy to prevent the state from forcing chicago to obey state law.