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"I don't carry a gun because if I did, criminal could use it to kill me"

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by AirPower, Jan 18, 2006.

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  1. AirPower

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    This is the stupidest thing I've heard all year. Yeah the year's just started but still. This is from a coworker, and we were talking about carrying laws. We started talking about his wife's security. I said he might consider getting her a gun, but then get this, he said, "mostly she only has to worry about robbers and rapists, but if she had a gun on her, they may use it to kill her, instead of just robbing her or raping her." I really wasn't in the mood to argue so I let it drop. Needless to say, he doesn't see any value in having a gun. :rolleyes:
     
  2. Justin

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    Saying something like that is very indicative of mindset. The sort of person who says it likely would be victimized with their own gun.
     
  3. taliv

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    that logic isn't necessarily stupid.

    imho, if you don't practice at least semi-regularly (and if your spouse isn't really into guns, she won't) that 'feeling' you have of confidence just because you've got a gun is little more than a 'feeling'.

    i have tons of friends who carry guns that they've never even fired. (idiots) if they're attacked, i'd say the odds are that their butt-kicking will begin well before they can get their gun out of whatever briefcase or hideyhole its in, and they'll probably try to shoot the gun before disengaging the safety or chambering a round or something equally stupid. the attacker will take the gun and may or may not shoot them with it.
     
  4. Husker1911

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  5. Taurus 66

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    Uhmmmmm .....
     
  6. CORDITE

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    Dont you have anything better to add to the thread than ^^^^^ ?
     
  7. CrazyIrishman

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    Did I hear someone mention DARWIN?


    I guess if his wife was killed by the assailants gun (or other weapon) then it would be different, right?

    Poor little sheep-le......(baaah,BAAAH)..can't teach 'em nuttin' !
     
  8. tlend

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    Its probably good for all of society that not everyone carries a gun. As our "thread leader" has made painfully obvious, not everyone is suited to the task. Leave the gun handling to the "sheepdogs" who will keep watch over the sheep.
     
  9. grimjaw

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    Let's role play. I'm a Bad Guy.

    "I don't attack people who carry guns, because they might shoot me."

    "I don't want to attempt to wrestle a gun out of the hands of someone pointing it at me, because it might go off."

    Bad Guys who don't realize the things above fall into the Darwin category.

    Let's say Bad Guy has some time and cash on his hands, and he hasn't been caught yet so no criminal record. He attends self defense training. He even gets some combat training. He buys a gun. He plans a job to steal your valuables. One of the things he'll likely learn in self defense training is to AVOID A FIGHT. It's the smart thing to do. But if he does happen to encounter you, who happen to be unarmed, he's going to be the aggressor. If you recognized that, with a gun pointed at you, would you be Chuck Norris enough to take his gun from him? He hasn't let you get within 21' of him, and he's practiced often with his carry piece. Feel like playing the odds?

    It really isn't enough to 'own a gun' if you intend to use it for self defense. Might even be better off to save the money and get self defense training first.

    jmm
     
  10. SomeKid

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    I think we have all dealt with those idiots.

    Having lost most of my patience with these...people...my response is generally along these lines:

    "Only if you are so stupid, incompetant, and poorly trained you let him."

    These 'people' are lost causes, play with them a little.
     
  11. pax

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    He's absolutely right, you know. Smart of him to recognize it.

    A gun is nothing but a tool. Without the will to use the tool, it is worse than worthless.

    pax

    A very large percentage of people who carry a concealed handgun do not carry it as a weapon. They carry it as a good luck charm. They think of it as a magic talisman that wards off evil, or as a rabbit's foot. -- Tom Givens
     
  12. Rem700SD

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    If his wife is wearing underwear and/or pantyhose, she's carrying something her rapist can use to kill her. Even if her attacker got her gun away from her, I still don't think it would be used as anything more than a bludgeon. Guns are loud and impersonal, and I think used in only a small percentage of post-rape murders, iirc.
     
  13. Otherguy Overby

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    Next time this "gentleman" confronts you just remember there's a reason they are called cow-orkers.
     
  14. AStone

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    Good call, Pax.

    I use this argument often when ...um, discussing the issue with folks (like my clients who learn I'm a gun owner) who object to guns.

    You know, those who are afraid of them because they can kill people.

    I carefully and rationally point out: a gun is only a tool.

    Like hammers & cars, both of which are tools and can kill people, guns are tools.

    Without proper training & understanding, any tool can kill.

    Will humanity ever learn that lesson?

    <Rhetorical question>

    Nem
     
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  15. Herself

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    Don't hold your breath, Nem. I sometimes wonder if our dawn-of-mankind ancestors didn't encounter similar arguments over spears or fire.

    Contemporary Man is quite often proud of his incompetence in many areas of tool use -- and contemptuous of those who can and do use use tools. When things get tough, they're also the ones you find huddling wherever they have been told to, cold, wet and hungry. The aristocracy of incompetence only lasts as long as the competent have time or willingness to tolerate it. Guns? Such people cannot even operate a basin wrench, let alone a gun!

    Me, well, my manicure is often way less the perfect but I can fend for myself. There are better way to go through life than having to constantly be looking for a knight to ride in and put everything right.

    --Herself
     
  16. CalamityJane

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    I agree with you completely on this. One has to get out of--over--the mindset of "I just don't think I could handle killing someone", and reach the point where one is absolutely certain that their own life, or someone they love, is more important than dealing with the aftermath of shooting someone intent on taking that life. As with any tool, if you want to be able to use it correctly and for its intended purpose, you have to practice. A lot. And if someone isn't going to do this, then they really shouldn't have, or carry, this tool. But it begins and ends, I think, with mindset.
     
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    yup just wait till she is raped then ask this question i bet you get a diffrent answer but of course by then it's to late.
     
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    My response: "No problem. If a guy walks up to you with a knife or a baseball bat, and announces that he's going to kill you with it, just take it away from him."
     
  19. Janitor

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    Wow. Post #8 on THR and you're already dissing somebody for not adding something to the thread. Just as your comment didn't. But thanks for sharing your thoughts.

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    pax is right (yea - as usual). A gun is a tool meant to be used for specific jobs. If you don't know how to use your tool, and you don't have the mindset that it is your tool and there is absolutely an appropriate time to use it, it will do you no good.

    Go over to your co-workers house some time. Take him into his kitchen and show him everything that a person strong enough to overcome his wife and rape her could kill her with. Should take you about 30 seconds to find 5 or 6 ways to easily kill somebody who is willing to be raped in the name of peace. For a practile demo - ask him if he want's to play some ersatz force on force where his wife tries to take that beautiful 11" Wustoff French Chefs knife away from you and turn the tables.
     
  20. hillbilly

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    Cordite, two things.

    First, Taurus66's reaction of "ummmmmmmmmmm" is quite a good comment.


    Sometimes, the only proper reaction to monumental stupidity is either silence, or some sort of nonverbal sound such as "ummmmmm."

    Second, regarding your slap at Taurus66's post.

    Looking at how many posts Taurus66 has on the bulletin board, and how many posts CORDITE has on this bulletin board, all I can say about your slap at Taurus66 is "ummmmmmmmmmmm."

    hillbilly
     
  21. Browns Fan

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    It sure is a LOT more intelligible than some people who just put a period in their reply. What the heck is that all about?:scrutiny:
     
  22. The Real Hawkeye

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    Well, there really are some people for whom that statement is correct. Some people simply do not have it in them to shoot someone, and for them it is better that they be unarmed. As Clint Eastwood said as Inspector Callahan in Magnum Force, "A man's got to know his limiitations."
     
  23. PATH

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    Sigh! I guess if you really don't want to protect yourself from those who may want to kill you then you really neither need nor want a gun! :D
     
  24. The Real Hawkeye

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    That's a great response. I will have to remember that.
     
  25. jondar

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    Quote: Wow! Post #8 and you're already dissing somebody".

    What is the required number of posts you must have on THR to "diss" somebody. Does the number of posts you have indicate the knowlege you have on the subject you are commenting on? Just asking for my own information. Thanks.
     
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