"I don't carry a gun because if I did, criminal could use it to kill me"
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Thain
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Anyone who carries a weapon should be prepared to face the real possibility that you may be killed with your own weapon.... but the should have to beat you to death with it, because it's out of ammo. 
Pilot said:
See, I think this is a very common 'first emotion' when you don't put a lot of thought into it. By and large, most people are not violent, and value human life. Someone who immediately and quickly jumps up and declares that yes they would kill another human being to defend themselves without giving it any thought, they tend to make me nervous.
I think saying 'I don't think i would be able to kill anyone' or 'i'd like to just scare them off' are both dangerous concepts in and of themselves, but are also providing an open door to the truth.
When talking to people who say this I usually ask 'Would you be able to use lethal force if someone was murdering your children' To which I have NEVER had someone answer in the negative. (Or for those without children of their own, about to rape a 10 year old girl, or having watched a monster stab 2 children to death, would you stand there and watch him stab a few more?) Find a situation where they would interviene beyond 'being a good witness' or 'calling 911' (wouldn't you at least try something, clawing him and biting him, so your child could run away) Once you talk about being aware of your surroundings, avoiding trouble, throwing your wallet/purse behind the criminal and attempting to get away, etc etc, and get down to the situation where said person truely is faced with grave physical harm, and that their loved ones and children may need saving, or even beyond that, the devistation that the death of thier mother would have on the children, I've never had a person who doesn't get the idea and say yes, as a last resort, I'd do what I must to save me and my loved ones.
I sometimes think that when just casually addressed, a lot of people have this mental picture of a woman walking to her car, hears something behind her, turns and just starts shooting wildly. Which is of course not true. The armed person ready to use lethal force would have avoided that parking spot, or would have been looking around and been alert for potential predators, have a flashlight, cell phone ready to call 911 etc etc AND have a firearm for last resort.
Jayman
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I have some recollection of Joel Rosenberg posting a challenge. He wanted a verifiable news story of somebody having had their gun taken from them and used by the assailant. I think that challenge is still pending. I don't think such things are impossible, mind you, but the chance of that is a lot more rare than the chance that you'd need the gun to begin with.
My JKD instructor is a formidable fighter. He's a former amateur boxer, thai boxer, grappler, and has studied martial arts almost 20 years. You name the range and he has abilities in it. I'd put him up against just about anybody unless their name was Randy Couture.
That said, he carries a gun, and he teaches some aspects of dealing with them as part of his course work. He feels that to remain ignorant of guns, knives, etc., is to fall prey to them very easily.
My JKD instructor is a formidable fighter. He's a former amateur boxer, thai boxer, grappler, and has studied martial arts almost 20 years. You name the range and he has abilities in it. I'd put him up against just about anybody unless their name was Randy Couture.
That said, he carries a gun, and he teaches some aspects of dealing with them as part of his course work. He feels that to remain ignorant of guns, knives, etc., is to fall prey to them very easily.
progunner1957
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You can never be too safe...
Whoever said this should also stop eating, as he may choke himself to death on his food. He should also stop drinking ALL liquids, as he may drown himself if the liquid inadvertently goes down his windpipe.
I see his point. Police, U.S. Marshalls, FBI agents, U.S. Air Marshalls, Secret Service agents and all U.S. military personnel should follow suit.
Whoever said this should also stop eating, as he may choke himself to death on his food. He should also stop drinking ALL liquids, as he may drown himself if the liquid inadvertently goes down his windpipe.
progunner1957
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Oh, yeah - one more thing...
ONLY????
What a worthless, nutless wonder of an excuse for a husband this poor woman has. Last time I checked, robbers and rapists are the reason why men arm their wives and single women arm themselves.
Progunner's rules for life #47:
If you love your woman, arm your woman. You can't be there to do the shooting all the time. While you're at it, make sure she is properly trained in the use of her gun.
Only?
ONLY????
What a worthless, nutless wonder of an excuse for a husband this poor woman has. Last time I checked, robbers and rapists are the reason why men arm their wives and single women arm themselves.
Progunner's rules for life #47:
If you love your woman, arm your woman. You can't be there to do the shooting all the time. While you're at it, make sure she is properly trained in the use of her gun.
mustanger98
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Some of this reminds me of an old friend of my family... the guy's a former Marine and Korean War vet. He said he'd just eaten lunch and went back to his shop behind his house and as he was going in one door, he saw a miscreant leaving through the opposite door running off with his boombox. The thief just left with the loot and nothing else. The homeowner, our old friend, called the cops to file the report. So the cop asks him "what if he'd had a gun?" "He'd have probably shot me." Cop asks "what if he'd had a knife?" "I'd'a grabbed a 2x4 or mattock and beat the hell out of him." I don't know whether my friend owns a gun or not, but I know he's an old Marine, so you see the mindset.
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