I don't want to start a fight, but this is straight from the horse's mouth.

[ziadel]

my interview

much less leading too

ziadel2001: I'm glad your back
ziadel2001: er, you're
Jet: thanks dude
Jet: bah spellin aint a thang
ziadel2001: mind if I ask you a question?
Jet: sure
ziadel2001: the 5.56
ziadel2001: tell me what you think
Jet: sucks
Jet: high velocity
ziadel2001: can you elaborate?
Jet: not enough stopping power
Jet: they fly through people
ziadel2001: any first hand accounts?
Jet: you can shoot a dude like 5 times and he can keep running
Jet: they blow
Jet: we shot a dude with a 776 off 240 like 4 times
Jet: and he kept running
Jet: he died later but he still kept trucking
ziadel2001: nod
ziadel2001: k,k
ziadel2001: anything you'd personally prefer to be using?
Jet: you looking into a rifle?
ziadel2001: nah
ziadel2001: I've got rifles
ziadel2001: I shoot 7.62's
ziadel2001: those will work on anything :-D
ziadel2001: just asking some questions
ziadel2001: the armchair generals on the high road are debating about this
Jet: speaking of which
Jet: i see i said 776
Jet: i mean 762
ziadel2001: damn!
Jet: id go 762
ziadel2001: nod

 

[ziadel]

uh, no, jet was in Iraq, he just got back.

 

[chopinbloc]

bowfin,
first, sorry it took so long to respond. i didn't check back on the thread.
anyway, yes, i'm aware that many soldiers carry gear that isn't issued. in fact, everything on this m16 was privately purchased. um, the sticker is just laid on the mag pouch, btw; i'd probably get chewed out for putting stickers on my weapon.



i can't speak for iraq but in afghanistan colonels might be able to get away with carrying an ak, especially since they generally aren't issued a rifle anyway but your average enlisted or o-4 or below isn't likely to be able to get away with it. the army tends to frown on it. that's not the point though; i was just saying that i haven't seen any 6.8 in afghanistan. sure, there could be some here but i haven't seen it. the point is that, contrary to what the gun rags imply, the army isn't moving over to the 6.8. haven't seen any articles in soldiers or army times about it either. so far as i can tell, the army has zero interest in the cartridge.

/*there are alot of soldiers that still think the 5.56mm tumbles on its way to the target, despite the fact that they can see perfectly round holes in the target when they zero. are you going to believe them? or what about the guys who are convinced that the bullet does crazy loops and "bounces" around inside the target? do you believe them? just because a soldier says something doesn't make it true.*/

Do you really believe that it was the above soldiers who dreamed up and designed the 6.8 SPC? Really, truly?? Honest Injun???

sorry if i was a bit unclear. i didn't say that in reference to the 6.8. i meant to demonstrate that the op's soldier buddy may or may not be an accurate source. the fact that he didn't know the difference between a cartridge and a magazine indicates that he's not very well educated about ballistic matters and may have expected to see his targets drop like hollywood villains. obviously this is all speculation and, as i mentioned earlier, my observations aren't to be taken as gospel, either. i've been outside the wire a grand total of THREE times in ten months, have never received small arms fire and never shot at a human being. the only "kill" i've gotten since i've been here has been a mouse - but i used my knife to do it, so that gives me ninja points, right?

 

[chopinbloc]

double post

 

[Harry Stone]

Am I reading that wrong, or did this guy jet say he saw someone take 4 hits of 7.62 and it didn't even slow him down? I don't doubt the guy but I don't see how that's an argument for bigger calibers.

 

[KriegHund]

Jet: you can shoot a dude like 5 times and he can keep running
Jet: they blow
Jet: we shot a dude with a 776 off 240 like 4 times
Jet: and he kept running
Jet: he died later but he still kept trucking

So now the 7.62x51mm is also underpowered.

Need i say more?

 

[JohnKSa]

I hate to be unpleasant about this, but couldn't you guys spend a couple of minutes and turn this into intelligent sounding English before you post it here? Wading through that stuff is mind-numbing...

ziadel: I'm glad you’re back.

Jet: Thanks.

ziadel: Tell me what you think of the 5.56

Jet: It's no good, it’s high velocity.

ziadel: Can you elaborate?

Jet: Not enough stopping power, they fly through people.

ziadel: Any first hand accounts?

Jet: You can shoot an enemy 5 times and he can keep running--they blow. We shot an enemy with 7.62 from a 240 about 4 times and he kept running. He died later but he still kept running.

ziadel: I see. Anything you'd personally prefer to be using?

Jet: Are you looking into a rifle?

ziadel: No, I've got rifles. I shoot 7.62's--those will work on anything. I’m just asking some questions. The armchair generals on the high road are debating about this.

Jet: I’d go 7.62.

ziadel: Ok.

Ok, my comments. This guy seems to have information relating to the GENERAL INeffectiveness of ANY small arms fire. Based on his first hand account it sounds like not even a 7.62 is immediately effective with haphazard shot placement. I hope that's not a surprise to anyone...