I get tired of people getting so uppity about clip v magazine

[buck460XVR]

I grow tired of a generation who's primary goal seems to be designed to continually find new ways to be offended.

That right there is the quote of the day.

I tend to agree.

 

[lowerunit411]

My mother used to say "better to be correct than stubborn"....as for me i dont make a habit of correcting folks because i frequently use words and phrases incorrectly too.

 

[Balrog]

Using "clip" when "magazine" is meant is a mark of wilful ignorance about guns. Either one doesn't know better (in which case he's not really a "gun person"), or he knows better but persists, as part of an anti-gun meme

How is using the term "clip" instead of "magazine" anti-gun? You said it, now explain it.

If I use the term "Band Aid" instead of "adhesive bandage" when referring to an off brand, does that make me anti - first aid?

Or am I anti-fast food if I ask for a "Coke" with my burger when all the place serves is "Pepsi"???

 

[Charleo0192]

OK, I just have to ask how using clip as a synonym for magazine is "anti-gun."
I think I'll start doing it all the time just to see supposed gun-people's heads explode.

I'm not sure why it's anti, but I believe some gun folk have found the word anti-gun to include anyone who has little knowledge of firearms and the words that go along with them. Basically they are using other words, incorrect ones, to replace other words. Similar to "clip" and "magazine" for others.

 

[The Sarge]

I do not believe it is what you call a certain firearm part is at question here. It is the urge or need for many to correct those that choose to call the part one thing or another. If you wish to call it a butt or a stock, magazine or clip is none of my concern.

Somebody that constantly corrects/ the search Nazis et al, have issues more so than the person who is being corrected.

Teach by example and folks will learn the correct parts "names". Constantly calling out and correcting in public is poor form IMHO.

 

[GEM]

Well, I'm going to print this thread and then xerox it on my HP copier.

At the Saxet Gun show, the biggest dealer of things that hold bullets (oh, cartridges) is Clips R Us.

Now I will get a cold drink from my frigidare made by Kitchen Aid.

Can I blow my nose in store brand Kleenex?

 

[Carl N. Brown]

A "magazine" used to be a sturdy brick building where gunpowder was stored.

There was a powder magazine (thick, concrete walls, thin roof) at an old abandoned rock quarry ("Five Caves") just outside of town. Magazine also referred to the ammunition storage area on warships.

I would like to see a poll on "clip" v "magazine" with a demographic by age of respondent and first encounter with firearms. I bet a lot of folks whose first encountered guns in the 1950s from a relative into hunting are likely to use "clip" as a synonym for "magazine".

 

[PR-NJ]

Calling a magazine a "clip" is like calling a revolver a "pistol" -- technically incorrect, but synonymous to the uninitiated. If you don't care about sounding ignorant to some firearm enthusiasts, call them whatever you want.

By the way, the Free Online Dictionary defines pistol as "A firearm designed to be held and fired with one hand." This definition would include a revolver, but it doesn't mean it's correct.

 

[xfyrfiter]

When I was a lot younger a magazine, was a paper printed periodical publication. Clip was where you held cartridges, whether it was in, or out, of the firearm. Powder magazine was the small house usually made of corrugated sheet metal in a remote area of the mine site where you stored dynamite. On the local air base the bomb storage was called a magazine. As far as correcting anyone, either term is acceptable, as long as everyone involved is clear as to what you mean.

 

[SharpsDressedMan]

I'm with the uneducated then, because it really doesn't bother me as much to tolerate the uneducated making a mistake as it does to endure the overeducated correcting everyone else.

 

[NavyLCDR]

I am curious, are the guys that are so offended by people misusing the terms magazine and clip also offended by people who shortent the term "magazine" to just "mag"??

Mag isn't even a word.

I beg to differ with you.

Magazine:




Mag:

 

[Kleanbore]

Calling a magazine a "clip" is like calling a revolver a "pistol" -- technically incorrect, but synonymous to the uninitiated.

Really? Tell that to the editors of dictionary.com and of some other dictionaries that define a "pistol" as a "firearm designed to be fired with one hand."

Yes, the BTAFE has decided to define, for its regulatory purposes, a pistol as hand-held firearm that had a chamber integral with the barrel, and some dictionaries have since adopted that definition.

We use the term "revolver" today to distinguish the design from that of a "self-loader", and yes, that term is by far more commonly used than "pistol", but the original authority and patent holder Sam Colt patented his Paterson pistol almost two centuries ago.

Technically incorrect? While a federal agency and some dictionaries may say so, I contend that the fact that the common usage has evolved does not make the description of a "revolver" as a "pistol" incorrect.

 

[P5 Guy]

I've got this Italian rifle that I have to shove a clip into the magazine. And when I fire the entire clip, it falls from the bottom of the magazine and I can then reload a clip into the magazine.

 

[LibShooter]

If you don't care about sounding ignorant to firearm enthusiasts, call them whatever you want.

If you're part of the group, they are enthusiasts. If you're not, they're nerds, geeks, fanatics or worse. Nobody likes the Comic Book Guy on The Simpsons.

I work with a guy who really knows Star Wars stuff. When I don't know the difference between Count Dooku and Darth Grievous I sound ignorant to him. I can live with that. However, there's no concerted effort to limit the right to keep and watch Star Wars movies.

We're better off inviting people into the fold. Using words like "magazine" and "pistol" to make us separate and feed a sense of superiority is not a good thing.

 

[NavyLCDR]

Calling a magazine a "clip" is like calling a revolver a "pistol" -- technically incorrect, but synonymous to the uninitiated. If you don't care about sounding ignorant to firearm enthusiasts, call them whatever you want.

By the way, the Free Online Dictionary defines pistol as "A firearm designed to be held and fired with one hand." This definition would include a revolver, but it doesn't mean it's correct.

Well, golly gee, looks like the NRA has that one wrong too, then:

http://www.nraila.org/issues/firearmsglossary/

PISTOL
Synonymous with "handgun." A gun that is generally held in one hand. It may be of the single-shot, multi-barrel, repeating or semi-automatic variety and includes revolvers.

Does anyone here belong to the NRA? They sure seem to be very ignorant regarding firearms, claiming that clip is synonymous with magazine and the term pistol includes revolvers. You would think that such a long standing organization would be a little bit smarter regarding terminology. They obviously aren't as smart as the experts here.

 

[FLCowboy49]

Due to the apparently heated debate and to avoid another page of argument, i vote that we all refer to the aforementioned "clips" and "magazines" as the non-threatening "portable ammunition holding devices"....

 

[22-rimfire]

Navylcdr: Pistol was commonly used nomenclature for any handgun regardless of whether it is a revolver or self-loading handgun. I like the NRA definitions including the one for "clip". When I hear the term of pistol used for a revolver, I always think of the Clint Eastwood movie "The Outlaw Josey Wales".

The term clip and detachable box magazine have been used by firearm companies for many years interchangably. But you don't see the revolver versus pistol terminiology used anymore. Even the masses understand that one. The English language changes with time. Now the terms "assault rifle" is generally accepted terminology by the masses for a semi-automatic military looking rifle. Correct or not, it is commonly used and we all know what the person using the term is referring to (or most of us do). The problem with that term is that people who know the correct terminology feel that the assault rifle term is being used to convert the sheeple when most of us understand it is a fully automatic rifle. Assault pistol would have the the same relationship. The Mac 10 comes to mind.

Carl Brown said...I would like to see a poll on "clip" v "magazine" with a demographic by age of respondent and first encounter with firearms. I bet a lot of folks whose first encountered guns in the 1950s from a relative into hunting are likely to use "clip" as a synonym for "magazine".

Me too and I agree there may well be an age relationship to the usage.

I like these little debates that you get on the forums as long as they are civil.

 

[SharpsDressedMan]

Since we're about being correct, can you "particular" people find a way of correcting others that doesn't come off as snide, arrogant, officious, condescending, or otherwise insulting? If not, perhaps it's best to just quietly feel superior.................

 

[Java51]

I believe that it all depends on who you are speaking to. Most folks here are pretty knowledgeable and are going to correct (politely, of course) a neophyte who makes the clip/magazine faux pax. In the military, your rifle is not a "gun" as one of my Drill Sergeants at Ft. Dix (40 years ago) made abundantly clear to a young trainee who asked the Drill Sergeant why his "knife" would not fit on his "gun"! Needless to say, he did not make that mistake again! It's all about education.

 

[wojownik]

Even in education, there is the message and then there is the delivery. I'm all for helping keep the definition and usage of certain terms on target. However, sometimes that "help" can get a bit snarky and not-so-high-road.

Some folks are just seem very eager to help correct the use of language. I got jumped on for the clip vs. magazine issue, when posting that I carried a spare magazine in my nylon belt clip. Totally different uses of the word (clip referring here to an old Uncle Mikes single mag belt clip), but I let that slide.

 

[mac66]

I put a banana clip in my assault rifle...which of course means I used a standard sized magazine in my semi auto sporting rifle. No difference since they mean the same thing don't they?

I think those of us in the firearms community need to make sure we use the correct and accurate terminology so we don't let the liberal media and anti-gun politicians re-define what firearms are all about.

 

[Jim Watson]

Well, we are all annoyed by different things.
Since my parent's generation fought a rather large war loading their weapons with clips, whether stripper, enbloc, or detachable magazine, I don't worry too much about this one.

My recent jargon peeve is "bore."
As in "I slugged the barrel of my Emm En and the bore was .311"."
I bet it wasn't. I hope it wasn't. Likely the groove diameter was .311" and that is where he should be for bullets.
The bore diameter was likely at or near .300". They didn't call them the Three Line Rifle for nothing, a Line being a tenth of an inch in 19th century terminology.

 

[Trent]

I'd rather argue about the mis-use of the word "Tactical" in everything gun-related than "clip" vs. "magazine". I always call it magazine, but let it slide when a buddy says "clip".

Saw a "Tactical Handgun Bag" yesterday on Midway's front page. (It was a typical range bag with lots o' pockets for holding hearing protection, magazines, ammo, etc)

Referring to every aftermarket gadget and gizmo as "Tactical" gets under my skin in a very big way.

 

[jcwit]

I've fired firearms "hope thats the right term" since I was 5 years old and that was in 1948. Do I at times refer to a clip as a magazine or a magazine as a clip at times? You bet your bibby. Do folks understand what I'm talking about? Yup! Do I give a rats behind? Nope, not anymore!

Does this make me appear dumb? Maybe! But then I hope all you youngsters make it to my age dumb or not.

 

[22-rimfire]

I've fired firearms "hope thats the right term"...

That is Funny. It it illustrates the ridiculous nature of the discussion if taken seriously. It is good to laugh now and then.