I get tired of people getting so uppity about clip v magazine

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I'm 54, and my dad was a WWII vet, having fought in europe. All of my uncles were also vets.
They used the terms magazine and clip fairly interchangeably. My dad certainly knew what a stripper clip was, and what an en bloc clip was...he was something of a weapons expert in his unit, and had been in his Cav unit since before the war...when his unit still had horses.
He was not above saying "make sure the clip is out of thet pistol and clear the chamber"

I do find the self appointed masters of firearms terminology to be annoying...Often they use the clip/magazine "correction" as a way of demeaning the post of someone they disagree with.
 
Who nids to kcknow hou too rite vordes when theirs a spell chek.

I see too much of this kind of attitude. Even from the elementary school teachers. And it scares me. The language is the foundation of culture and intellect.

I don't care if people use "clip" and "magazine" interchangeably as long as they know the difference.
 
I don't like this whole semi-auto business. Check your history, "semi-automatics" have been called automatics from the start. Back then you had machine guns and machine pistols. It's called .32, .380, .45 Auto Colt Pistol, and yet the Colt 1903/1911 etc are not "full auto".
 
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"I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now..."

yet you are not above being grammar police :p


Not really sure how using a personally relevent Bob Dylan lyric for a signature makes me the "grammer police"...

Yes, my guard stood hard when abstract threats
Too noble to neglect
Deceived me into thinking
I had something to protect
Good and bad, I define these terms
Quite clear, no doubt, somehow
Ah, but I was so much older then
I’m younger than that now

Almost relevent to this discussion, really.
 
I like it when people call it a clip. It shows that they don't know what the heck they are talking about. You can immediately determine that the person isn't knowledgable about guns!

In all seriousness, it is a gaff that should be fixed.
 
apparently this is the equivilant of "political correctness" within the gun community...honestly who gives a rats ass what anyone else calls it...find a fruitful way to spend your time..or take the online jeopardy challenge...nothing worse than a "know it all" ....misses the whole point of "the high road" in my opinion....
 
If you define a pers firearms knowledge by their use of the word clip, you may be surprised...by how much you don't know.
",,,I like it when people call it a clip. It shows that they don't know what the heck they are talking about. You can immediately determine that the person isn't knowledgable about guns!..."
 
Anyone that takes issue with clip and magazine is not allowed to ever make mention of the 45 LONG colt. It does not exist and if you utter the words you are an anti. The term LONG colt was created because it sounds meaner and more dangerous than the proper term 45 colt.

Pleas do not contribute to the destruction of the 2nd amendment by using 45 LONG colt

Oh and it is obvious you know nothing about gun too
 
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The term LONG colt was created because it sounds meaner and more dangerous than the proper term 45 colt.

Oh and it is obvious you know nothing about gun too


I think Elmer Keith knew something about gun (sic).
He said "You would not mind the use of the term .45 Long Colt if you had seen the profusion of short cased smokeless loads turned out by Remington before WW I."
And hell, he was there. I think there might be a book in there somewhere.
 
I think Elmer Keith knew something about gun (sic).
He said "You would not mind the use of the term .45 Long Colt if you had seen the profusion of short cased smokeless loads turned out by Remington before WW I."
And hell, he was there. I think there might be a book in there somewhere.

Well by the logic I have ben reading in this thread it is a safe assumption that Elmer Keith was an anti.***




***post should be considered sarcastic unless otherwise noted
 
I don't really care if other gun guys say 'clip'. But I seethe when anti gunners use it incorrectly. "The gunman used an automatic, high-powered assault rifle with a high-capacity clip to shoot people at point-blank range." I want to confront them and say; "Really? They used a .30 caliber machine gun fed by stripper clips to shoot people at 200 yards? Or did you REALLY mean; the CRIMINAL used a SEMI-automatic INTERMEDIATELY-powered rifle with a STANDARD capacity MAGAZINE to shoot people at close range?"

I make sure people know the difference, but...for pete sake, say whatever you want to.
 
Calling a magazine a "clip" is like calling a revolver a "pistol" -- technically incorrect, but synonymous to the uninitiated. If you don't care about sounding ignorant to some firearm enthusiasts, call them whatever you want.

By the way, the Free Online Dictionary defines pistol as "A firearm designed to be held and fired with one hand." This definition would include a revolver, but it doesn't mean it's correct.

Handguns were pistols long before we had revolvers and even longer before we had self loading handguns. Saying that a revolver isn't a pistol is like saying a carbine isn't isn't a rifle.

How the myth got started that only self loading handguns are pistols, I don't know-

Ok, went back and read more of the thread and caught the BATF definition.

Calling a mag (short for magazine, slang but acceptable. By the way rims are only "mags" if they are made of magnesium so that's a bad analogy. Humorous though, I got a good laugh out of that) a clip is frustrating because it blurs the line between two different loading systems. Calling 45 Colt ammunition "Long Colt" may be incorrect, but it serves to mark the difference between the 45 Colt and the shorter round. This is important because while the shorter round was safe to fire in the Colt Single Action Army, it wouldn't fit in the cylinder of the S&W pistols the Army was using at the same time. Calling a magazine a "clip" creates confusion. Calling the 45 Colt the "45 Long Colt" seeks to clarify.

Some of us are problem solvers by profession. When a customer mixes up terms and leads you to believing the problem is something else, time, effort and money is lost. If a pilot tells me there is an oil leak, time is wasted checking the engines when the problem is an actuator leaking hydraulic fluid. The pilot knew what he was talking about. But the use of an incorrect term (hydraulic fluid is an oil, right?) confuses the person the pilot is attempting to communicate with and wastes time and resources.

Just because laymen create a common usage for a word doesn't make it correct
 
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The designation ".45 Long Colt", sometimes abbreviated as ".45 LC", originated among military personnel to prevent confusion with the shorter-cased .45 Schofield which was also used in .45 Colt SAA revolvers by the US military. It has become a popular alternative name for the cartridge.

US government arsenals supplied .45 Schofield cartridges for both the Schofield revolver and the Colt Army revolver to simplify their armament needs.
 
Correct use of words is dependent on context.

My father was a DI for the US Army Rangers in WWII. After being wounded during combat in WWII, he was medically retired from the Army. But he never did completely internalize the fact that he was a civilian.

By the time I was 8, I had been taught to execute a correct crisp salute. Then I was taught never to salute anyone because I "had not earned the privilege." I was taught to stand up straight and answer "No excuse, sir; " whenever my father asked me why I had made a mistake or why I had failed to complete a task.

I could field strip a GI .45, clean it, and reassemble it blindfolded when I was nine years old. I called things by the name which the DI, er, I mean Dad, called things. And he called things by whatever military terminology was correct and current in the US Army during WWII. So my brain is close to being hard wired in such a way that it is almost physically impossible for me to refer to a magazine as a clip. I cringe when I hear a magazine referred to as a clip because I was yelled at (only once) at the age of seven or eight for doing so.

But my views and opinions on the subject are in agreement with those who recognize that language, word meanings, and word usage change and evolve over the years. As for correct word usage and terminology, I recognize that it depends on the context and time in history. Military (or former military) folks are not entitled to insist that civilians use whatever military terminology is currently in use (or was formerly in use.) I agree with those who say it doesn't matter what word we use as long as we know what we are talking about in that context, and as long as we treat each other with courtesy and respect.

Words are symbols. Context is everything when it comes to the use of language.

When it comes to certain terms used by the popular media as part of their anti-gun propaganda ( such as "assault weapons", "automatic pistols", "assault pistol", and "automatic weapons", "cop killer bullets", and "bullet-proof vests"), I tend to insist on the correct use of correct terminology. Gun owners in the US are under constant attack, and the weapons most often employed are words.

But I'll tell you what really offends me. It's the use of the word "caliber" to refer to a cartridge designation. A shooter will ask a question like, "What's the best caliber for elk hunting? A .308, a .30-06, or a .300 Win mag?" Doesn't that idiot know that the cartridges to which he is referring are all the same caliber?
 
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