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Idiot kid with .22 shot dead by CCW holder

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Berg, Jun 22, 2005.

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  1. Berg

    Berg Member

    May 5, 2005
    Where the 92 meets the 101

    Teen carried an unloaded rifle
    A man in a car shot and killed 14-year-old after he approached


    Jun 22, 2005

    RELATED: Police Beat

    The teenage boy fatally shot June 12 in Richmond's East End apparently was not as dangerous as he looked to the man who killed him.

    Law enforcement sources involved in the case said Rodvon Daymetric Brown, 14, was carrying an unloaded, .22-caliber rifle when he got off his bicycle and approached a 47-year-old man sitting in his car at 24th Street and Fairmount Avenue around 11:40 p.m.

    An ammunition magazine from an AK-47, also unloaded, had been duct-taped to the barrel of the rifle, giving it more of an appearance as a deadly assault weapon, the sources said.

    The man inside the car, however, had a loaded, 40 mm semiautomatic handgun. He told police that after dropping off a woman at her home, he saw Brown and another boy circling his car on their bicycles. Police said the man told them Brown got off his bicycle and began walking toward the driver's side of his car carrying his weapon.

    The man said Brown "threatened him with a gun and attempted to rob him," according to a statement released by police.

    Law enforcement sources said the man in the car fired three times, shattering two windows in his vehicle. One of the shots struck Brown in the side of the head, causing him to fall face-first on his gun. He died just over an hour later at VCU Medical Center.

    Richmond are consulting with prosecutors on whether to charge the man in connection with the shooting, which is still under investigation.

    Police said the man who fired the fatal shots did not flee the scene, but called 911 and waited for police and medical attention to arrive.

    Brown was a seventh-grader at Chandler Middle School who lived with his aunt and siblings in the 1400 block of North 23rd Street, just around the corner from where he was fatally wounded.

    Family members had said the boy left the house that night to ride his bike because it had been so hot inside. A family spokeswoman had said Brown had never been arrested and was not known by his aunt to carry a weapon.

    But last night, a law enforcement source said Brown did, in fact, have a record of arrests as a juvenile. The source did not provide details on the record.
  2. wasrjoe

    wasrjoe Member

    Jan 7, 2004
    Wow, there's a shocker. :rolleyes:
  3. Cesiumsponge

    Cesiumsponge Member

    Nov 6, 2004
    The kid deserved that. Of course the family (and news for printing it) had to clarify their kid as innocent and only "out for a nice cool ride in the streets" while carrying a rifle with a magazine duct taped to the muzzle.

    As for the 40mm pistol...I wonder if he was carrying beehive flechettes or high explosives.

    The more I hear news stories and the "details" contained within, the more I treat them as Weekly World News
  4. Twycross

    Twycross Member

    Jun 3, 2005
    FT Bragg, NC
    That is some serious firepower. :what: Or do you mean .40 caliber? :D
  5. Alex45ACP

    Alex45ACP Member

    Apr 21, 2005
    Excellent, another punk taken off the streets.
  6. Crosshair

    Crosshair Member

    Mar 25, 2005
    Grand Forks, North Dakota
    Wow, karma can be a b*tch, can't it. The guy should get off. Nice to hear justice being served.
  7. Glock19Fan

    Glock19Fan Member

    Nov 13, 2004
    "Deadly Assault Weapon"?

    Oh crap, I keep forgetting regular guns are only half lethal while the scary "Deadly Assault Weapons" are absolute sure to make a kill.

  8. Hawkmoon

    Hawkmoon Member

    May 5, 2004
    No, no, Glockster, the reporter had to write that to be sure the kids weapon wouldn't be confused with the ordinary, garden variety, NON-deadly assault weapons.
  9. KriegHund

    KriegHund Member

    Feb 18, 2005
    Colorado, Broomfield
    Wow...whata tool.
  10. Trebor

    Trebor Member

    Feb 15, 2003
    Here's the e-mail I sent the reporter regarding the "40mm handgun".

    Hi Jim,

    I just read your story "Teen carried an unloaded rifle," about a June 12 shooting involving a 14 year old shot while allegedly threatening a man with an unloaded .22 rifle.

    I'm a former newspaper and radio reporter and current NRA pistol instructor. I wanted to point out a mistake in the article caused by the confusion between "caliber" and "millimeter" when used to describe handgun ammunition.

    In one paragrah you describe the man who shoot the teen as having a "...a loaded 40 mm semiautomatic handgun."

    This is a error. There is no such thing as a "40 mm handgun."

    There is a .40 (caliber) handgun cartridge that is currently quite common. It's proper name is the ".40 S&W" round.

    The only "40 mm" weapons are the World War II style anti-aircraft guns that were mounted in double or quad mounts on warships. Mistaking the designation of a modern pistol cartridge with an obsolete anti-aircraft weapon hurts your credibility with people who know better. That would be pretty much anyone who shoots a handgun.

    Depending on the exact cartridge under discussion, handgun ammunition is described with either (inch) caliber designations or with (metric) millimeter designations. That's why there are ".45 pistols" and "9mm pistols." The terms "caliber" and "millimeter" are NOT interchangable.

    (The word "caliber" is not generally included in the description of the cartridge as it is represented by the "." before the number. The abbreviation "mm" is generally used when describing cartridges designated with the metric system. I think this is AP style as well.)

    The term "caliber" describes the nominal internal bore diameter of the handgun as expressed in hundreds of an inch. A .45 (caliber) handgun would have an nominal internal barrel dimension of 45/100th of an inch.

    The term "mm" describes the internal bore diameter of a handgun as expressed in the metric system. A "9 mm" handgun has a nominal internal bore diameter of nine millimeters. If this was converted to a caliber designation, it would be a ".35" (caliber) pistol as nine millimeters is about 35/100ths of an inch. However, normally the cartridges are described with one system or the other, not both.

    I'm not trying to confuse you or berate you. The "40 mm" pistol error is fairly common in news articles, and is greeted by laughter when spotted by handgun shooters.
  11. pax

    pax Member

    Dec 24, 2002
    Washington state
    Good letter, Trebor.


    I'm a little appalled at how ghoulish folks on this thread sound -- as if we're all dancing in the blood of this 14-year-old child.

    Yes, yes, I'm aware he presented what looked like a deadly threat. And if the facts are as stated, I believe it was a good shoot. I don't see what else the guy could reasonably have done.

    I just wish y'all didn't sound so gleeful about it.

    ... who just sent her own 13-year-old child to bed an hour ago.
  12. Elmer

    Elmer Member

    May 10, 2005
    I didn't see any gleefulness in the posts. I think it's more folks hoping they don't jerk the guy around who was forced to shoot.
  13. thorn726

    thorn726 Member

    Dec 15, 2004
    berkeley, CA
    **hey put up state!** (VA)

    oooops- quite the hand cannon.

    ARgh- ok first this is nothing but bad all around. it doesnt make gun owners look very good, even though this kid was asking for it big time, and well, how long till
    he really unloaded on someone, etc.
    **i had to edit 2x cuz from your (original poster's) location, plus 23rd st richmond- that could just as easily been here
    also the article itself does not state he was a CCW holder, how do we know this? is carrying loaeded weapon legal in your car in VA without permit ?
    you know an anti can use this story from 10 angles no matter what.
    really lame .

    yeah, also got to love the "deadly" assault, more scary, ok- but deadly as opposed to what? smiley .22 ? ?
  14. Alex45ACP

    Alex45ACP Member

    Apr 21, 2005
    I'm sorry that this happened, but this kid would have grown up to be just another hoodlum. The guy who shot him should get a medal for doing his civic duty by taking a dangerous criminal off the streets.
  15. crucible

    crucible Member

    May 5, 2004
    Sterling, Va
    Open carry is legal in Virginia-no CCW required for that-so yes, he could have very well been legally carrying in his car.

    I'm sorry he was put in a situation where he had to take a kid's life in fear of his own. I'm sorry for the kid's loved ones, and to an extent, th kid himself.

    I'm not sorry for the example it will set with others who think doing that kind of thing is cool. I'm surely not sorry that what the kid may have done in the future in terms of similar items and worse (as he clearly was advancing his criminal behavior), now won't be done.

  16. spartacus2002

    spartacus2002 Member

    Jan 7, 2003
    St. Pete, FL
    Maybe that 40mm handgun was one of these (from Hellboy) :evil:

  17. shermacman

    shermacman Member

    Dec 30, 2002
    I understand your concern. However, I think the "glee" is just the recognition that this kid would soon grow up to be more aggressive, more hostile and more capable of sticking a real gun with real ammo into someone's face. An old, unloaded .22 with a duct taped magazine was training wheels. The 'glee' is that an innocent person will not be this kid's next step.
  18. Bubbles

    Bubbles Member

    Apr 26, 2004
    Eastern Panhandle of West Virginia
    Remember, this story was posted here last week with a very different "spin"...

    14-year old shot to death

    14-year-old shot to death
    A man alleges that the teen tried to rob him in the East End
    Tuesday, June 14, 2005

    RELATED: Police Beat

    A 14-year-old Richmond boy was fatally shot late Sunday after he apparently tried to rob a man at gunpoint in the city's East End, police said.
    Rodvon Daymetric Brown, a seventh-grader at Chandler Middle School, died at VCU Medical Center yesterday at 12:55 a.m. The shooting occurred Sunday about 11:40 p.m.

    Richmond police said their "initial investigation" indicates the teen was shot in self-defense when he tried robbing a 47-year-old man at 24th Street and Fairmount Avenue. After the shooting, the 47-year-old, whose identity was not released, waited at the scene for officers to arrive, police said.

    He told police the teen had "threatened him with a gun and attempted to rob him," according to a police statement. Police said a weapon was recovered from the teen.

    Police said they are investigating the death in consultation with the Richmond commonwealth's attorney's office.

    Brown's family has a hard time believing the teen was carrying a gun, said Alicia Rasin, a crime-victim's advocate who was consoling family members yesterday. He lived with his mother, an aunt and siblings in the 1400 block of North 23rd Street, right around the corner from where he was killed, Rasin said.

    "They just cannot see him having a gun," Rasin said.

    Family members said the teen left the house to ride his bicycle last night before the shooting. "They said it was so hot last night, that he got on the bike and just rode around the corner," she said.

    "Everybody that knows him" has seen him at one time or another riding his bike through the neighborhood, Rasin said.

    Family members "just don't know why" someone would shoot him, she said.

    Rasin said the teen's aunt, who helped raise Rodvon since he was 4, never knew him to be in possession of a gun. "He's never been arrested, never been in any trouble," Rasin said.

    Grief counselors were made available yesterday to Brown's schoolmates at Chandler. The teen's guardian called the school yesterday morning to report that Brown "was shot and killed as he walked home along Fairmount Avenue," school spokeswoman Treeda Smith said in an advisory sent to Richmond School Board members.

    In an interview late yesterday, Smith said she had received no additional information about the boy's death. The initial report the school received came from the teen's mother, Smith said.

    "I'm sick and tired of saying I'm tired," Rasin said of Richmond's latest homicide. "I'm tired of saying, 'When is this going to be enough?'"

    Contact Mark Bowes at (804) 649-6450 or mbowes@timesdispatch.com
  19. hcker2000

    hcker2000 Member

    Apr 9, 2005
    Dang media. When will people learn not to trust them. Could just be the internet too who knows. Has any one tryed to get an offical copy of the artical from the paper?
  20. dk-corriveau

    dk-corriveau Member

    May 23, 2005
    Orlando, FL
    Why not drive away?

    Isn't one of the tenets of CCW that if you can flee from the danger you should do so? Obviously there is not enough detail in any of the articles to say if that was a possibility, but unless his car was blocked in by other vehicles, it seems like he could have simply driven off without incident.
  21. nico

    nico Member

    Dec 1, 2003
    Baltimore/Laurel, MD
    Not that I'm happy a kid is dead, but when I was that age a kid who was 14 and in 7th grade (1 or 2 years behind) wasn't exactly the model of good behavior. Add to that the fact that he was out at 11:40 with a gun and I think there needs to be some accountability with the family.
  22. pythonguy

    pythonguy Member

    Dec 6, 2004
    Long Island, New York
    A sad story all around, a 14 year old kid out at 11:40pm is not good, no less he is carrying a rifle. The parents saying he is a good kid and they never saw him with a gun is BS, kids hide everything from their parents. It is of course, tragic when any child dies, you cannot predict he will grow up to be a criminal, kids do stupid things. The "Family" now so concerned should have been more concerned when their child was alive and not let him go out out so late when nothing good can happen, but that is now a moot point. If it went down as described and the guy was legal to carry and was held up at gunpoint, what else can you expect then the kid gets shot, the armed citizen feared for his life. The anti's will use this as an example that ordinary citizens shouldn't carry and a trained LEO would have used more discretion, but the law is the law and none seem broken.
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  23. dolanp

    dolanp Member

    Feb 20, 2005
    Notice how the gun is not so evil when the kid is carrying it? Poor kid was just hot in his house and wanted to go out for a ride, happened to be carrying his unloaded .22 rifle, as an innocent boy does, when a man with a terrible "40mm" handgun shot and killed the poor boy. And of course in chimes the family saying the boy wouldn't do that, then the police saying well, er, um, yeah he does in fact have a record. :rolleyes:
  24. Frandy

    Frandy Member

    Jan 6, 2005
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  25. Missashot

    Missashot Member

    Mar 28, 2005
    Well, in my opinion, first of all a 14-year-old kid has absolutely no business being on the street at 11:40 at night. And then to ride a bicycle around carrying a rifle with magazines taped to it, I would think that he was already a hoodlum not just waiting to grow up into one. I am sorry to say this, but I think he got what was coming to him. He wasn’t very smart to threaten others with a gun. I would like to think that I would do the same thing if someone threatens me with a firearm. I hope that if indeed the facts were accurate, that the man who shot the kid is not charged.
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