Idiot kid with .22 shot dead by CCW holder

[critter]

I feel sorry for the victim in this case. And be sure to understand that the victim in this case is the legally armed citizen who was forced to cleanse the gene pool of a young but up and coming armed paracitic thug preying upon society. Sad all around.

 

[Lone_Gunman]

WHERE in the articles does it say the man who did the shooting was a CCW holder?

Did he have a permit, or did he just have a gun?

 

[Henry Bowman]

Am I the only one who wonders about the victim's potential hearing loss. It sounds like he had to fire from within his vehicle (two windows broken). Even if it was a mere .40 caliber (and not a 40 mm), he could (would) easily suffer permanent hearing damage.

 

[dolanp]

Seems like an argument for thug control to me. One thug was controlled.

 

[4v50 Gary]

If the kid didn't have a gun, he wouldn't have gone out to commit an armed robbery. That he did meant he had an instant meeting with his kharma and now is rehabilitated through reincarnation. I won't weep for him nor should society. We just saved hundred of thousands of dollars in future court costs, jail time & expenses as well as prison time & expenses.

 

[Leatherneck]

WHERE in the articles does it say the man who did the shooting was a CCW holder?

Did he have a permit, or did he just have a gun?

No matter in Virginia. As previously mentioned, citizens are allowed to open-carry in a car or walking about.

TC

 

[Bubbles]

WHERE in the articles does it say the man who did the shooting was a CCW holder?

To me, this is the tipoff:

The man said Brown "threatened him with a gun and attempted to rob him," according to a statement released by police.

Police said the man who fired the fatal shots did not flee the scene, but called 911 and waited for police and medical attention to arrive.

These are straight out of the training course I took to obtain my Virginia CHL... along with having a good defense attorney on speed-dial, and p!ssing in my pants if at all possible ..."I was so scared I wet myself"...

 

[thatguy]

Rodvon Daymetric Brown? Maybe if parents would stop given their kids such bizarre names they wouldn't act so weird.

No winners here. Kid was bad news, no doubt about it. At 14 he's packing heat and committing armed robbery. What's he going to be doing at 16? Or 18? He was a criminal and he was making violence his way of life. It was only a matter of time before he killed someone.

Funny how the family is always shocked and denies the kid was violent or had criminal tendencies. Maybe that's what happens when the parents are nowhere to be found (kid being raised by aunt and "other family members") and there's no apparent supervision (had a gun, out late at night, etc).

At 14 he could have been physically large enough to pass for an adult. In any event the gun he carried made him an adult.

Sad situation but the kid, and his family, made it happen.

 

[Sean Smith]

If we assume the articles are correct, and the kid was trying to rob/carjack/what-have-you this guy, I don't think we can be sentimental about the kid getting killed. He was a life-threatening criminal who got eliminated. Hell, there are entire battalions of little kids with AK-47s in Africa that are at least as good as the grown-ups at perpetrating awful atrocities as a matter of course; the assumption that his youth negates in any way the potential threat a kid presents with a gun is stupid and dangerous.

I do think it is tragic in a general way that our society produces such people in the first place. But once faced with one in that situation, killing them in self-defense is absolutley ethical.

As for gun control, when anybody can even show a correlation between gun control and violent crime rates, I'll consider listening. Until then, they should just shut up and go back to talking to their pets through an animal psychic, or whatever else it is that post-hippie idiots do nowadays.

 

[dev_null]

> Rodvon Daymetric Brown

Sounds to me like a severe case of acute nomenclature.

 

[38SnubFan]

I know I sound harsh for saying this, as it's still wrong for any young person to be taken away from us so soon in life, but I feel no remorse for the young man.

If facts are true that this was an attempted armed robbery, then the young man, by his actions and possession of the weapon, is subject to the same terms and consequences of his actions as any other person, up to and including being shot and killed in self-defense by his would-be victim.

Crime knows no age.

My prayers are sent to the families of both parties in this case: The young man's, for they are having to grieve the loss of a young life; and the victim's, for he's going to be suffering a heavy emotional toll for the rest of his life. Just so that doesn't sound hypocritical compared to my first statement in this post - it's sympathy for the death, not remorse for the 14-year-old's actions.

And as I'm ready to expect, Flame me away!

-38SnubFan

 

[shermacman]

Rodvon Daymetric Brown

Chlamydia

And the two twins "Syphilis and Gonorrhea"

 

[JohnBT]

Here's a letter to the editor from this morning's paper about the 6/13 shooting:


Victim's Advocate Ignored Victim

Editor, Times-Dispatch: Regarding the article, "14-Year-Old Shot to Death":
I have to wonder why "crime-victim advocate" Alicia Rasin wasn't consoling the 47-year-old man who was put in the horrible position of having to defend his life with deadly force, rather than the family of the armed predator whose failed attack cost him his life. Dennis J. O'Connor. prince george.

 

[Yanus]

Darwin Award nominee............

 

[TheDutchman]

They are all good kids who never got in trouble, and don't know why they are now dead. Maybe because of bad parents.

 

[one-shot-one]

my only thought....

"appearance as a deadly assault weapon"
as opposed to a non-deadly .22 ?!?!?!? :banghead:

 

[dolanp]

No remember, it's the curved magazine that made it look deadly. Make no mistake about it!

 

[Double Maduro]

Pax,

I agree that there tends to be an "instant Karma" mentallity here sometimes. We need to remember that no matter how flawed this teen was, that he was still loved by people who will suffer and miss him.

The others who will suffer are the person who shot him and his family.

The wasting of any life is a tragedy.

Yes, yes, I'm aware he presented what looked like a deadly threat. And if the facts are as stated, I believe it was a good shoot.

I don't see what else the guy could reasonably have done.

OH, I don't know what else he could have done, oh wait, what about put the car in gear and leave. I don't know all the circumstances but if you are sitting in your car and see a couple of kids, or adults, approaching and at least one of them has a gun, put the car in gear and get the heck out of there.

DM

 

[Ole-sailor]

Did you feel that your life was threatened?

Those are the magic words that will be asked of the shooter!

A long gun with a curved mag. and another taped to the BBL. certainly goes a long way towards lending credibality to his answer; YES.

This is going to be another great chapter in the COST of carrying a firearm for self defense.

A 14 year old kid is dead!

Legal cost for the shooter to prove himself "Not Guilty of Murder"

Legal cost for the shooter to defend against the additional Civil lawsuit; (Mom and Dad, great parents that they were, need compensation for the loss of their child)

The cost of therapy for the shooter, he will be loosing sleep over killing the kid now that he finds out that the weapon was unloaded.

The next gun control law, you know that the LIBS will dream up something.

SHOOTING THE KID: NO RIGHT AND NO WRONG the circumstances at the time indicated that it was necessary to the shooter. We can all Monday morning Quarter Back the incident: But we were not in the car at 11:40 PM with an assilant pounding a weapon on the window demanding money.

 

[Master Blaster]

OH, I don't know what else he could have done, oh wait, what about put the car in gear and leave. I don't know all the circumstances but if you are sitting in your car and see a couple of kids, or adults, approaching and at least one of them has a gun, put the car in gear

Boy I love that old 20/20 hindsight, Lets suppose for a minute that with the boy standing there the 47 year old man did just that. Now he has just run over 1 or possibly two innocent children out riding their bikes. The .22 disappears when the crowd of angry neighbors arrives. Now if the man drives off, he has committed a hit and run on two poor innocents and is looking at a jail term. If the man pulls up a short distance away the angry mob drags him from his car and pummels him to death with feet sticks and rocks.
Both the above scenarios assume the rifle is unloaded which it is.

Now lets assume the rifle was loaded since we have entered the realm of Monday morning speculation. As the 47 year old starts the engine the Boy fires 5 shots into his heart from point blank range and he is dead.
The boy and his friend now have the mans wallet, his car, and his .40 handgun so they decide to knock off a gas station, they then shoot the 22 yearold college student at the counter, and later tell the police " we were only looking to steal some candy and the gun "It Just Went OFF"

Or the 47 year old like a good bliss ninny who is unarmed gets out of the car and gives our 14 YO and his friend his wallet and car keys. Off drives the boy and about 30 minutes later going 85mph he runs a red light and hits and kills a car load of women and children, or teenagers on their way home from a prayer meeting.

I vote the 47 YO did the right thing, since he had no way to know if the gun was loaded or the 14 yearold miscreant would or would not shoot him dead, and only about 1.5 seconds to decide what to do.

 

[Double Maduro]

Master Blaster,

You seem to be selectively blind.

In my original post I stated that I didn't know all of the circumstances, it appears that you do and that the only reasonable thing to do was to shoot the bg. That may be. but the news story stated.

Law enforcement sources involved in the case said Rodvon Daymetric Brown, 14, was carrying an unloaded, .22-caliber rifle when he got off his bicycle and approached a 47-year-old man sitting in his car at 24th Street and Fairmount Avenue around 11:40 p.m.

and this,

He told police that after dropping off a woman at her home, he saw Brown and another boy circling his car on their bicycles. Police said the man told them Brown got off his bicycle and began walking toward the driver's side of his car carrying his weapon.

This would make it seem like the 47 year old saw them approaching and might have had time to leave.

Yes, I agree, shooting the bg is an option. It is seldom, if ever, the only option. It may or may not be the best option. And like I tried to say in my post, when I said

I don't know all the circumstances

I don't know all of the circumstances.

Now why don't you go wipe down and curry comb the high horse, put him in his stall and grain him, I think he has had enough exercise for today.

DM

 

[peacefuljeffrey]

I'm a little appalled at how ghoulish folks on this thread sound -- as if we're all dancing in the blood of this 14-year-old child.

Yes, yes, I'm aware he presented what looked like a deadly threat. And if the facts are as stated, I believe it was a good shoot. I don't see what else the guy could reasonably have done.

I just wish y'all didn't sound so gleeful about it.

pax

Maybe "gleeful" is not the most appropriate word, but it does please me when I read that a violent criminal scumbag of any age has been removed from the midst of us, the law-abiding honest people. Think of it as the feeling you get when you're on a sports team and your team scores against your opponents. You feel a bit of glee. Only in this case, the stakes are much higher, hence the "glee" is that much more justified. This gang-banger-wannabe with the deuce-deuce taped with a bigger magazine was asking for trouble and got it. He could easily have been equipped with a loaded firearm and used that against the victim here. Luckily he was not. But as we all know, we are justified in reacting with deadly force when a weapon is presented as a threat, and it matters naught when after-the-fact it turns out to have been unloaded/fake etc. We are not expected to make those determinations while under duress.

This appears to be a case where Darwinism actually was in effect, since I will assume (though there can be no certainty with his ilk) that the decedent had not yet reproduced. []

The only person I feel sad for is the victim -- and by "victim" I surely do not mean the kid who died. And call me a hardass bastard, but I don't even feel for his family. In this case, it seems pretty clear that they bear some culpability for what occurred -- and at the least, I don't believe that they were unaware of his criminal tendencies. What, did he leave the house on the bicycle empty-handed and pick the rifle up from where he stashed it in the bushes?

The least they could have done was buy a freakin' air conditioner! Seems that would have alleviated the need for the kid to go out to rob someo-- er, get some cool night air.

-Jeffrey

 

[wmenorr67]

Yes the gun was unloaded but how does the guy in the car know that? Is he supposed to ask the kid if the rifle is loaded or maybe the kid was carrying a sign that said "Hey don't shoot me, this is unloaded. I'm just trying to look dangerous." None of us were there. There are at least two sides to every story and in this case we will never hear one of them.

 

[Master Blaster]

NO my friend read my post again, I was objecting and responding to your second guessing of the situation and your catagorical statement that the man should have and easily could have driven off..

I DID not second guess what the man did.

So I offerred a few possible scenarios

 

[Double Maduro]

wmenorr67,

None of us were there. There are at least two sides to every story and in this case we will never hear one of them.

Well said. We will only hear from the intended victim and the bg's friend, both of them have vested interests.

Oklahoma National Guard---1/279th INF BN, 45th INF BDE

Thank you, and all the others who choose to serve.

DM