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Speedo66
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Just questioning may not be enough, you know, not everyone tells the truth. There may be an obligatory lie detector test. Wouldn't want someone who "thought" an AR was OK just sneaking in.
If you even think you'd like an AR, you're not welcome here.......
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Heck, one of the better restaurants here is an upscale gun club. They will try to sell you an AR, shoot a loaner full auto rifle, and eat there in one trip. God bless Texas!
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It's a Monty Python reference...
The so called "coexist" liberals are no such thing. They only want to coexist if you agree to their way of thinking.
If not, then you are evil and must be stopped from expressing your point of view.
The irony of course is that traditional liberals (if you want to call them that) believed very strongly in freedom of expression/thought. T
hey were all to happy to quote Voltaire in defense of freedom of expression.
Todays ultra leftist liberals probably don't even know who Voltaire was.
More importantly, since they have created Political Correctness (which is just another form of speech/thought control), they feel empowered to tell you what you can think or say, otherwise you will be labeled, and must pay a price for your refusal to knuckle under.
Todays leftist liberals are good little apparatchiks on behalf of the totalitarian state. Funny how the hypocrites don't even see who and what they are.
If not, then you are evil and must be stopped from expressing your point of view.
The irony of course is that traditional liberals (if you want to call them that) believed very strongly in freedom of expression/thought. T
hey were all to happy to quote Voltaire in defense of freedom of expression.
Todays ultra leftist liberals probably don't even know who Voltaire was.
More importantly, since they have created Political Correctness (which is just another form of speech/thought control), they feel empowered to tell you what you can think or say, otherwise you will be labeled, and must pay a price for your refusal to knuckle under.
Todays leftist liberals are good little apparatchiks on behalf of the totalitarian state. Funny how the hypocrites don't even see who and what they are.
230RN
2A was "political" when it was first adopted.
Just for the record, on another board I responded to her original remarks on a point by point basis as follows. (Forgive the formatting. Didn't want to start using quote blocks within quote blocks.):
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I have spent 12 years, intentionally, not being political on this page because I embrace the diversity of opinions.
Except when the opinion differs from yours.
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Let me be clear, this is not a political issue. This is a human rights issue.
Yet it is clearly. unequivocally, boldly and baldly stated as a fundamental civil right in the highest law of the land. For clear and even present-day political reasons.
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If you own this gun, or you condone the ownership of this gun for private use, you may no longer enter either of my restaurants, because the only thing I want to teach my children is love.
Without realizing that this sets your children up as victims for those people in the world who do not share your rather pollyanic view of people and who will willingly and enthusiastically prey on your beloved children when they enter the real world.
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When we have seen our schools, our clubs, our movie theaters, our public places of safety and celebration, be allowed to be targeted....
Yet "gun-free zones" such as you describe are the actual ones being targeted by my aforementioned predatory people.
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remember that Grace is all of those things. You don't privately own this weapon to protect your family, or to hunt.
I do not understand your accusation. Developing various skills, be they target shooting with either modern or antique firearms or in archery, throwing a baseball over the plate, fine-tuning your poker playing, or enhancing your skill in cooking a fine meal are all part and parcel of being a human being. To not advance in any of these pursuits and others is to resemble an unthinking insect.
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I understand that I may be offending members of my community, but this is a human issue, not a gun owners issue, or a second amendment issue, it is about humans. I cannot, in good conscience, accept anyone inside of my restaurants who believes that this is ok. Love is love, and only light can drive out the darkness.
Except the "darkness" to which you refer is universal in the form of the evil predators to which I referred. And in insisting that we ban the tools to resist this evil, you are naught but abetting it.
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I would be ashamed, as a parent and a human, if I did not use this platform to speak up.
Thus you have, and encountered reasoned resistance to your stand.
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How many people have to bury their loved ones before we say together, "no more."
Somehow, I am reminded of Prime Minister Chamberlain's claims of "Peace in our time" in 1938, a year prior to September of 1939. You remember what happened then, don't you?
Her remarks are so typical of the wooly-headed attitudes of those who have never encountered genuine, hard-core evil and violence in the real world. As I say, sometimes it takes a good mugging or a good tyranny to wake some people up.
Terry, 230RN
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And no, I would not dine in her restaurants. Ever.
Terry
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Quote from her:
I have spent 12 years, intentionally, not being political on this page because I embrace the diversity of opinions.
Except when the opinion differs from yours.
.....
Quote from her:
Let me be clear, this is not a political issue. This is a human rights issue.
Yet it is clearly. unequivocally, boldly and baldly stated as a fundamental civil right in the highest law of the land. For clear and even present-day political reasons.
.....
Quote from her:
If you own this gun, or you condone the ownership of this gun for private use, you may no longer enter either of my restaurants, because the only thing I want to teach my children is love.
Without realizing that this sets your children up as victims for those people in the world who do not share your rather pollyanic view of people and who will willingly and enthusiastically prey on your beloved children when they enter the real world.
.....
Quote from her:
When we have seen our schools, our clubs, our movie theaters, our public places of safety and celebration, be allowed to be targeted....
Yet "gun-free zones" such as you describe are the actual ones being targeted by my aforementioned predatory people.
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Quote from her:
remember that Grace is all of those things. You don't privately own this weapon to protect your family, or to hunt.
I do not understand your accusation. Developing various skills, be they target shooting with either modern or antique firearms or in archery, throwing a baseball over the plate, fine-tuning your poker playing, or enhancing your skill in cooking a fine meal are all part and parcel of being a human being. To not advance in any of these pursuits and others is to resemble an unthinking insect.
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Quote from her:
I understand that I may be offending members of my community, but this is a human issue, not a gun owners issue, or a second amendment issue, it is about humans. I cannot, in good conscience, accept anyone inside of my restaurants who believes that this is ok. Love is love, and only light can drive out the darkness.
Except the "darkness" to which you refer is universal in the form of the evil predators to which I referred. And in insisting that we ban the tools to resist this evil, you are naught but abetting it.
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Quote from her:
I would be ashamed, as a parent and a human, if I did not use this platform to speak up.
Thus you have, and encountered reasoned resistance to your stand.
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Quote from her:
How many people have to bury their loved ones before we say together, "no more."
Somehow, I am reminded of Prime Minister Chamberlain's claims of "Peace in our time" in 1938, a year prior to September of 1939. You remember what happened then, don't you?
Her remarks are so typical of the wooly-headed attitudes of those who have never encountered genuine, hard-core evil and violence in the real world. As I say, sometimes it takes a good mugging or a good tyranny to wake some people up.
Terry, 230RN
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And no, I would not dine in her restaurants. Ever.
Terry
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Tiberius67
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Perhaps that is where we're going wrong. If we can't stop the "protected class" malarkey, perhaps we should embrace it and use it as a weapon ourselves.
230RN
2A was "political" when it was first adopted.
Yet, we are a protected class, via the Second Amendment.
Doesn't anyone remember why the Bill of Rights was drafted and tacked on to the Constitution? A few folks got together and were very concerned that some rights should be spelled out, in writing, and not just left as wooly-headed and undefined "unenumerated rights"
They even put that part in words as, "...a number of the States having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its [the Federal government's] powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added..."*
And one of those restrictive clauses was the shortest, most unequivocal, clearly-stated restriction in the whole Bill Of Rights... that is, the second Amendment.
Since then, all the "Yeah, but" people have tried to whittle away at its meaning, knowing full well that in the last analysis, the only way to abrogate that clearly protected right is to abolish the second Amendment completely.
So, yeah, we're a "protected class," except for the long-term progressive nibbling away at those protections called... you guessed it..."reasonable restrictions."
Well, my "reasonable" differs 180° from, say, Senator Feinstein's "reasonable."
Some will dismiss this post as a "rant." Yet it is merely a clear statement of why those ten Amendments were added to the constitution.
So go ahead and "yeah, but" to your heart's content.
Terry, 230RN
*These words appear in the Preamble to the Bill of Rights itself... which many people forget to read. I have even seen authoritative copies of the ten Amendments which eliminate that Preamble altogether.
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chopinbloc
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If a business owner makes their political beliefs known, they should expect to lose customers. If I owned any business that wasn't related to firearms, I wouldn't be telling anyone what I believe.
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2nd that. Small business owners are wise to keep personal disclosures to a minimum. Religion, politics , etc... I'm happy to take money from gun control advocates!
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Political or religious.
Make those known and you are sure to lose some customers, and possibly gain one or two?
Like CLP says it is not a wise business decision to disclose too many opinions to your paying customers.
Make those known and you are sure to lose some customers, and possibly gain one or two?
Like CLP says it is not a wise business decision to disclose too many opinions to your paying customers.
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