I'll remember them...

[George P]

The fact that overnight (and before the rest of the industry started to slightly increase their prices for exactly what you said) they raised their prices 10 fold. WELL before things really dried up too.

Believe me I hear you and agree replacement costs play into the prices we pay today but, to me, it's obvious when a business is doing shady stuff.

BTW, the stuff they raised prices on to insane levels is still there and plenty of it. Apparently I am not alone or else they wouldn't have much stock to sell

And gas in my area has gone up almost a dollar a gallon in the last few weeks - so is my local station gouging me? When ALL the stations have these higher prices are they all part of some conspiracy? Nope, their pricing is reflecting the market supply/demand/political curve.

 

[Mark_Mark]

And if enough people stick with that it will send a message. When you want to hurt a business or get their attention you hit them in the wallet.

Actually mine is not low and loud, rather, like me, and most of my taste in guns, nostalgic. I ride a '92 Electro Glide so more of a laid back road bike. Even my AR rifles are basic retro now that I think about it.

Ron

I want one with lights and air rides and speakers so I can crank up 2 Live Crew and Jimmy Buffet

 

[Mark_Mark]

And gas in my area has gone up almost a dollar a gallon in the last few weeks - so is my local station gouging me? When ALL the stations have these higher prices are they all part of some conspiracy? Nope, their pricing is reflecting the market supply/demand/political curve.

come on my man!!! have a cold beer on me!

 

[Frulk]

For gee wiz info I checked the following. At the LG Outdoors link on the previous page the max you can buy is two bricks of 1K primers.

Total cost is $839.98 for 2 bricks of primers.

Shipping and Hazmat brings it to a grand total of $919.99

I have the willpower to wait it out.

 

[Reloadron]

For what it's worth everything is more expensive than a year ago. An engineer I know works in refrigeration on a global basis. A year ago it was costing about $7,000 USD to send a shipping container across the Atlantic to Europe. Today that same container cost $12,000 USD and no guarantee it will make the next boat or that the next boat will be on time. That's a $5,000 increase on a container. This increase works both ways. Diesel fuel is up in cost and as they say, America's needs move by truck. Blame COVID, blame the perfect storm or blame whatever trips your trigger including politics. Whatever it's very real and happening.

There is a line between price increase based on supply and demand and flat out gouging. When the cost of batteries suddenly triples or quadruples before a hurricane that is gouging. Do not expect primers shipped from abroad to be at bargain basement prices when and if they ever get here. US manufactured primers will continue to go to ammunition manufacturers until the loaded ammunition demand falls off. Even then I figure $38 to $40 per thousand give or take. It will be over when it's over.

Ron

 

[Mark_Mark]

For what it's worth everything is more expensive than a year ago. An engineer I know works in refrigeration on a global basis. A year ago it was costing about $7,000 USD to send a shipping container across the Atlantic to Europe. Today that same container cost $12,000 USD and no guarantee it will make the next boat or that the next boat will be on time. That's a $5,000 increase on a container. This increase works both ways. Diesel fuel is up in cost and as they say, America's needs move by truck. Blame COVID, blame the perfect storm or blame whatever trips your trigger including politics. Whatever it's very real and happening.

There is a line between price increase based on supply and demand and flat out gouging. When the cost of batteries suddenly triples or quadruples before a hurricane that is gouging. Do not expect primers shipped from abroad to be at bargain basement prices when and if they ever get here. US manufactured primers will continue to go to ammunition manufacturers until the loaded ammunition demand falls off. Even then I figure $38 to $40 per thousand give or take. It will be over when it's over.

Ron

2 primer factory are being built. I heard it on last weekend of Guntalks. Nobody can afford $.50 primers, it would collapse the ammo industry

 

[AJC1]

2 primer factory are being built. I heard it on last weekend of Guntalks. Nobody can afford $.50 primers, it would collapse the ammo industry

Links to an article would be excellent

 

[35 Whelen]

There are comparisons being made in a small local business trying to make a living when the components from which they make their living are scarce, and Bass Pro Shop and Cabelas, whose business is largely unaffected by component shortages because they sell an enormous variety of merchandise.

So there's really no need in making a big drama out of high prices. Just don't buy them.

35W

 

[Reloadron]

2 primer factory are being built. I heard it on last weekend of Guntalks. Nobody can afford $.50 primers, it would collapse the ammo industry

I have no idea if any new US factories to produce primers are being built but short of something credible I doubt it.

What we are seeing today is nothing new. We saw this following Sandy Hook when the Obama Administration began their anti gun rhetoric. Currently all new primer production is going into loaded ammunition manufacture. The supply link for reloading components is a fragile link. Texas had great confidence in their power grid right till a bunch of events started happening which were never supposed to happen, A perfect storm and not likely top happen for another 100 years. Weak links on anything make for vulnerable. Under normal conditions we have an adequate flow of primers and in time things will return to that. There is no reason to build a plant to make anything that will be idled in a years time. DejaVue, all over again.

Ron

 

[Mark_Mark]

Links to an article would be excellent

trying to find it, but a Guy name Tom Gresham mentioned it.

 

[Harriw]

I've become a big fan of Bass Pro/Cabelas. When they get ammo or components, they sell them at their regular price. Two weeks ago, I paid .36 per round for 9mm, and .56 a round for 45 ACP, with a 250 round limit per person They had 4,000 primers but we were too far back in line to get them. I'll remember them, and patronize them after this is over, even if it's an hour's drive to get there. The employees were all helpful and polite also.

I'll say the same for Sportsman's Warehouse. They're the only store in that vein around here or I'd try the others as well. But SW is getting inventory in, and is keeping their prices reasonable. They were limiting primers to 1k per person per day per SKU at first, but have since gone to 200 (2 sleeves) per person per say, and that seems to be keeping them on the shelves for a few days when they get shipments. Those primers are going at around $3 per 100 on average.

 

[SnowBlaZeR2]

And gas in my area has gone up almost a dollar a gallon in the last few weeks - so is my local station gouging me? When ALL the stations have these higher prices are they all part of some conspiracy? Nope, their pricing is reflecting the market supply/demand/political curve.

Gas went up for everyone, and not to $11/gallon. If it had, you'd have a point.

 

[Mark_Mark]

I'll say the same for Sportsman's Warehouse. They're the only store in that vein around here or I'd try the others as well. But SW is getting inventory in, and is keeping their prices reasonable. They were limiting primers to 1k per person per day per SKU at first, but have since gone to 200 (2 sleeves) per person per say, and that seems to be keeping them on the shelves for a few days when they get shipments. Those primers are going at around $3 per 100 on average.

I like Sportsman! they have me for life. Not only did they keep their prices low but are friendly too. They must hear, “do you have 9mm or primers” 50 times a day. and still tgey keep a smile and say not today

 

[Larry Ashcraft]

but have since gone to 200 (2 sleeves) per person

Just a minor nitpick, but a sleeve of primers is 5,000 primers. 100 is a box.

 

[Mark_Mark]

Just a minor nitpick, but a sleeve of primers is 5,000 primers. 100 is a box.

i thought a sleeve was 1,000 or is that a brick

 

[higgite]

A sleeve is 100. Ten sleeves in a brick. Five bricks in a case.

 

[kalielkslayer]

Every time this happens it's the same vendors who jack the prices and we hear the same claims of "I'll never buy from them again" and when things settle down the same places currently jacking prices remain. Nothing new and nothing changes.


I am back to using my Cabela's card for everything. I was using my Harley Davidson card but I got tired of getting Harley bucks so now it's back to Cabela's bucks. Same, about 1 40 min drive to my local Cabela's (Avon Lake, Ohio).

Ron

My drive is 75 minutes but I hit Cabelas, Scheels and Sportsmans each time.

Last trip, I hit Cabelas first (they all open at 0900) because I got lucky there the time before. Bankrupt! Then Scheels, then Sportsmans. They told me at Sportsmans they had primers until 0945, I got there at 1010.

My Crystal Ball didn’t work that trip!

 

[jmorris]

A complaint thread on primers... I think we get 10 a week

Yeah, and when one could get them for $99/1000 there was maybe 1 or two threads linking the sales.

Fairly human though, love to complain hate to praise....

 

[Mark_Mark]

Yeah, and when one could get them for $99/1000 there was maybe 1 or two threads linking the sales.

Fairly human though, love to complain hate to praise....

I praise you for being human. Yes, that’s coffee talking, I’ll complain later

 

[Random 8]

This is still reminiscent of the Sandy Hook panic, only this one is a bit deeper I think. Right now you can't even find trap load, and retail prices are starting to approach the stupid category even with reputable sellers like Midway. I hope they are pricing to inhibit false demand, and this is not the new normal price. The auction prices are similar, and the chain of events are similar. I use Speer bullets as my canary in the coal mine. When they start to get scarce, I stock up at all cost. I think they are fully committed to production for ammo in times of scarcity, and this seems to happen before the primers get short. I got caught short of LP this time as my local store where I usually get primers made a big order boo-boo in March. They ordered a ton of CCI34 instead of splitting the order to include LP, LPM and LRM. I kept waiting for some to show up instead of paying shipping/hazmat, but none ever did. They had LR34 well into the hoarding as a result and their inventory guy got into some trouble over it until they sold.

 

[mdi]

I can't provide a link for a "better deal" because I used my head 20 years ago and started stocking up. Not hoarding but whenever I bought any components, I'd buy a little more than I needed (and I never cleaned a shelf of anything and I've got 12,000 assorted primers and about 12 bricks of 22s and at least 40 lbs. of powder). I'm familiar with "supply and demand" causing quick inflation of prices but normally it's just a few percent rise. The vendor I pointed out was just an example I saw of price gouging. About 800% over "normal" pricing leads me to believe that the vendor is taking advantage of a bad situation (bend over, I've got a deal for you!). There's probably 5,000 posts on the reloading forums today about primers and lack thereof, and 396 different theories as to why, what and where. I normally ignore them as nothing new has been posted in 9 months, but I got a chuckle when I read $190.00 for a brick and a "bonus" of no HazMat...

 

[2ndtimer]

Could you provide a link for a better deal? That’s in stock.

Well, you just missed Midway (Don’t feel bad, I just missed it, too). They had primers in stock (for about 5 minutes) for $59.99 per brick. With shipping and haz mat, it came to about $85. I even had a brick in my cart, so I was that close. Still too high, but better than $189. Just have to be quicker.

 

[higgite]

Well, you just missed Midway (Don’t feel bad, I just missed it, too). They had primers in stock (for about 5 minutes) for $59.99 per brick. With shipping and haz mat, it came to about $85. I even had a brick in my cart, so I was that close. Still too high, but better than $189. Just have to be quicker.

And if somebody else was charging a "mere" $49.99 a brick, the board would be alive with posts about how Midway's gouging their customers and they'll never do business with them again, even if they never have before.

 

[Mark_Mark]

MIDWAY AND BCA are not cool!

 

[George P]

A sleeve is 100. Ten sleeves in a brick. Five bricks in a case.

A sleeve is 5000 primers, a brick is 1000.100 is a joke