is that xd grip safety really necessary?
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Well, it's the only safety it has.
The other safety devices on it are for drop safety only. I do not accept the idea that a trigger is a safety. It's a trigger.
BTW the grip safety on the XD allows a quick and easy "press check" without any concern about ejecting the round or leaving the gun out of battery.
The other safety devices on it are for drop safety only. I do not accept the idea that a trigger is a safety. It's a trigger.
BTW the grip safety on the XD allows a quick and easy "press check" without any concern about ejecting the round or leaving the gun out of battery.
rcmodel
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No, it is what the Glock should have been.
There have been way too many ND's over the years with Glocks due to careless re-holstering, clothes or fingers in the trigger guard, etc. that a grip safety would have prevented.
rc
There have been way too many ND's over the years with Glocks due to careless re-holstering, clothes or fingers in the trigger guard, etc. that a grip safety would have prevented.
rc
fineredmist
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No, it isn't needed but it makes people FEEEEL safer. The 3 safeties on the Glock pistol are more than enough for a knowledgeable person. Keep your bugger hook off the bang hook until you are ready to fire and you will not have a problem.
fineredmist, I have to agree with you 100%.
rcmodel, this didn't make any sense to me:
rcmodel, this didn't make any sense to me:
If you're already holding a gun, and thus depressing the grip safety, how does it prevent anything if the person is being dangerous and putting their finger inside the trigger guard? How can you re holster an XD without depressing that grip safety? It makes no sense.
russ I agree that it is "functionally acceptable," meaning it really doesn't get in the way, and is almost unnoticable. Besides being annoying though, I wonder if anyone has had their hand pinched on it, or got their hand caught on it sideways. I've handled xds a lot in the stores and just shake my head every time I look and handle that grip safety. It seems possible that if you're grabbing the gun in a hurry, maybe as it's laying on a table or something, a finger could get caught on the side of the protruding safety, and slow down your acquisition of the gun.
Straight Shooter
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Yes, it is, for all the reasons rcmodel mentioned above. That and the grip angle are what sets it apart from the Glock and why I prefer the XD to the Glock.
rcmodel
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Same way it works on a 1911.
Really quite simple to do really.
Relax your grip on top of the grip safety a little and it blocks the trigger while you stuff in back in your pants or whatever.
But so is not shooting yourself in the leg with a Glock quite simple too I guess.
Still, a lot of people manage to do it all the time.
rc
Straight Shooter
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You put your thumb behind the slide. This assists in reholstering and deactivates the grip safety.
shadowalker
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I've had two XDs and haven't had a problem with the grip safety. I think it can make sense in a DAO, I'd have a problem with it on a DA / SA.
The grip safety also makes the firearm a lot more drop safe. Even though they know it is a bad idea it is instinct for most people to try to catch a falling firearm.
The grip safety also makes the firearm a lot more drop safe. Even though they know it is a bad idea it is instinct for most people to try to catch a falling firearm.
The problem is that a gun doesn't know your finger from any other object that snags the trigger. That's the point of the grip safety -- and any other safety.
No gun has ever been designed to be held with the shooter's finger resting on the trigger and the safety engaged. That's not what the safety is for.
rcmodel
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Yes, it is quite obvious you have never tried that.
If you had, you would know you are not holding the gun with two fingers when you relax your grip enough for the grip safety to engage.
rc
I'm trying to get a picture of this. It also seems unsafe because you don't really have a good grip on the gun at that point. It seems like a complex routine to do a special hand movement to use the benefit of a grip safety. I find it a lot simpler to just keep my finger off the trigger.
shadowalker
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It's actually easy and you do maintain a good grip. I do it with my Sig P229, gives me the ability to feel if the hammer is moving back while holstering. I've seen quite a few people report using the same technique.
The same technique on the XD allows you to release the grip safety.
The same technique on the XD allows you to release the grip safety.
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Gungnir
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35whelan? said:
Well welcome to the high road...
As far as not depressing the grip safety when reholstering, you press down into your holster with the slide held between your thumb and fingers away from the grip safety. Gun can't go bang. What RCModel is discussing is a number of incidents with semi-auto's that only have a trigger safety that have had ND's while reholstering.
The big question I've always wondered about people who ask (generally disparagingly) about a grip safety, is how can you hold the damn thing to fire normally and not depress the safety, it's not like it interferes with anything. Serious question, I mean do those who complain about it hold down the grip near the mag well or rotate their hand in some strange way so their thumb is the only thing in contact with the rear of the grip, or something?
They also fail to mention that the 1911 has a grip safety too. Wonder how that's working out for them... with those newfangled safeties and all.
Do you shake your head while looking at those too?No need to get mean spirited about it. As I said, I've handled xds a lot in stores. Since you've decided that I don't know anything, I guess I should include that I've handled and disassembled them in stores for years. Several times I came close to buying one, but I can't get past the protruding grip safety which may snag things right to left.
Is this the high road or the "get angry quickly and talk down to people" road?
I've handled guns for decades. If I relax my grip on a handgun to allow a grip safety to disengage, I'm at that point, only holding it by a couple of fingers (fine, maybe three). If I had any artistic ability I would draw a picture. I'm holding one of my guns right now reconfirming this in my mind.
shadowalker
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I've seen one person have a problem and he insisted on using a revolver grip on semi autos, grasped too far down the grip to disengage the grip safety.
Shirt or other clothing getting inside the holster combined with a rapid re-holster has caused NDs with glocks.
rcmodel
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FYI: Col. Townsend Whelen & gunsmith James V. Howe developed the .35 Whelen cartridge in 1922.
Far as I know, there was no wailen going on.
rc
Far as I know, there was no wailen going on.
rc
Gungnir
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Shadowalker said:
Ah gotcha. So I was right, holding down towards the mag well. They had an excuse though
Enachos
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Why do people complain about glocks and then fail to acknowlege that all revolvers work the same way basically?
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